Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

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[stuporman]

So to confirm even though they can go into the second apron. They are still in the 1st apron?

I believe this is the case.

Correct we are at 173 million wth 11 players.

first apron is 178.1
second apron is 188.9

We have about 16.9 million until the second apron with options to resign Precious and have the tax MLE to use which is about 5.2 milliom

When you say 11 players it doesn't include the 4 unsigned rookies which would bring the Knicks to the roster threshold even without any other additions such as another center.

[R-DAWG]

If the Knicks didn't send out more than they received, I assume there's a small range it needs to be in and not a hard line of difference, then they aren't 'hard capped' in any way at either apron if I am understanding this correctly.

Also KBD is a decent forward to have for depth, not going to blow anyone away but has a little bit of skill on both ends of the court and not another undersized wing. Knicks finally starting to add some length to this team that has desperately needed it.

Shake doing the Knicks a solid but probably only because he's getting a one year salary guaranteed more than the vetmin he wouldn't command from anywhere else, anyway. Also allows the Knicks to retain Precious instead of use him for this trade.

Aggregating salaries in a trade trigger the second apron hard cap. As does using the taxpayer MLE

Plenty of wiggle room but the knicks are technically hard capped at the 2nd apron

[knicksstuff]

I believe this is the case.

Correct we are at 173 million wth 11 players.

first apron is 178.1
second apron is 188.9

We have about 16.9 million until the second apron with options to resign Precious and have the tax MLE to use which is about 5.2 milliom

When you say 11 players it doesn't include the 4 unsigned rookies which would bring the Knicks to the roster threshold even without any other additions such as another center.

COrrect we havent signed them yet.... Still yet to see if any of them will be two way contracts or not

[GONYK]

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We squeezed him, but he gets to come over this year

[Juco24]

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This is why we just wait for the people that actually know the cap to tell us where we actually are.

Agreed!! People had us losing Deuce, Precious, Robinson, being hard capped, etc... all the bs for nothing.

Kinda excited about KBD... seems like a decent backup

[3toheadmelo]

We're not getting him, but he's not just a shooter and realistically if we did have him we'd probably be the outright favorites. He shooting 49% from the field and 40% from three in his two seasons with the Jazz, acting like that wouldn't be an upgrade is crazy

hes a great shooter for sure, but randle's gravity is a big reason why our team has been successful. lauri doesnt have this type of impact imo

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this right here is what tatum and the celtics did in the finals to dissect the mavs defense. it's winning basketball plays. lauri isnt doing this

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Teams send less help in the playoffs and matchups can impact a lot of what teams do. Against a team like the Bucks we're not going to be giving the ball to Randle a lot in the post, one on one vs Giannis in a series where he's trying to beat him like that would stall our offense out. So then he becomes more of a driver and spacer, and if he's not shooting a high percentage on threes the defense sags off.

What works in the regular season may not work in the playoffs and my biggest issue with Randle is we haven't seen success in the playoffs, he needs to show me he can do it, his regular season doesn't matter to me anymore he has to prove it in the playoffs. Some guys games do not transfer to the playoffs, we've seen it with Embiid, sometimes with PG13, a lot of times with Harden. The Celtics offense works cause everyone can shoot threes, Randle so far is shooting 28% from three in the playoffs. If you plugged him into their offense the ball moves less and the defense sags more, it's what happened with Smart. If we had Lauri our offense would look like theirs where no one player needs to create a lot and there's terror as the ball swings around to find the one of the 4 guys shooting 40% from three and all of them can drive on the catch


We're not getting Lauri, if he ends up with the Spurs they are going to make the playoffs and have one of the most devastating front courts we've seen in decades.

I think what's telling about Lauri is that he's yet to make the playoffs yet in his career. Puts up numbers but cant even get there. Randle at least gets us to the playoffs. Im not sold on him being a winning player.

Just randle's presence alone helps Brunson significantly in the post season. This is from last year.

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I hear the concerns about Randle's playoffs. But he had some good games last year on one ankle. He also shot 41% from the field (which is bad) against the heat but very similar to RJ's 42% FG who a lot of people felt like he played great.

I think Randle can figure it out. We saw flashes last year on one ankle that he can play well in the post season.

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[stuporman]

If the Knicks didn't send out more than they received, I assume there's a small range it needs to be in and not a hard line of difference, then they aren't 'hard capped' in any way at either apron if I am understanding this correctly.

Also KBD is a decent forward to have for depth, not going to blow anyone away but has a little bit of skill on both ends of the court and not another undersized wing. Knicks finally starting to add some length to this team that has desperately needed it.

Shake doing the Knicks a solid but probably only because he's getting a one year salary guaranteed more than the vetmin he wouldn't command from anywhere else, anyway. Also allows the Knicks to retain Precious instead of use him for this trade.

Aggregating salaries in a trade trigger the second apron hard cap. As does using the taxpayer MLE

Plenty of wiggle room but the knicks are technically hard capped at the 2nd apron

Apparently simply aggregating salaries doesn't trigger a hard cap because it would have happened at the 1st apron since they are under that one right now and not allow them to exceed that 1st one to go up to the 2nd one. If I understand it correctly if something triggers the hard cap it's at the one the salary is below, there must have been another caveat than just aggregation of salaries that triggers it.

Another thought, it could be that both teams used multiple players in the trade so it negates the salary aggregation part of it because it isn't multiple players for one player trade. Although, since KBD is a minimum player his salary isn't counted in the trade so it helped the Knicks to not trigger the hard cap by taking on more salary than taking in the deal. I'm just guessing for sure because it's still too complicated for me to understand but this might be why.

[WargamesX]

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That’s a kid that wants to be a Knicks!

Also I wonder are they just trying to save money or do they have something planned for that space?

[DOT]

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We squeezed him, but he gets to come over this year

I believe this also means he can't be traded for 30 days after signing

That dude posting his manifesto on how he's going to the Nets is punching the air right now lol

[stuporman]

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That’s a kid that wants to be a Knicks!

Also I wonder are they just trying to save money or do they have something planned for that space?

The Knicks paid the buyout for him so he didn't have to and I guess that doesn't count against the cap but the almost 1mil savings isn't likely to be too useful because the Knicks only have the TPMLE to use besides resigning Precious with bird rights.

[3toheadmelo]

I remember being high on Keita bates diop as a prospect and I thought he would be just as good as Mikal

Seems like the Knicks are stacking up on wings which is a refreshing approach.I think we are gonna use KBD and Hart as our backup 3/4 and they will resign Precious as our backup 5

[WargamesX]

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That’s a kid that wants to be a Knicks!

Also I wonder are they just trying to save money or do they have something planned for that space?

The Knicks paid the buyout for him so he didn't have to and I guess that doesn't count against the cap but the almost 1mil savings isn't likely to be too useful because the Knicks only have the TPMLE to use besides resigning Precious with bird rights.

Ahh I see so we did that to look good on the books. Ok, another Brock Aller move you have to respect.

[Fury]

hes a great shooter for sure, but randle's gravity is a big reason why our team has been successful. lauri doesnt have this type of impact imo

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this right here is what tatum and the celtics did in the finals to dissect the mavs defense. it's winning basketball plays. lauri isnt doing this

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Teams send less help in the playoffs and matchups can impact a lot of what teams do. Against a team like the Bucks we're not going to be giving the ball to Randle a lot in the post, one on one vs Giannis in a series where he's trying to beat him like that would stall our offense out. So then he becomes more of a driver and spacer, and if he's not shooting a high percentage on threes the defense sags off.

What works in the regular season may not work in the playoffs and my biggest issue with Randle is we haven't seen success in the playoffs, he needs to show me he can do it, his regular season doesn't matter to me anymore he has to prove it in the playoffs. Some guys games do not transfer to the playoffs, we've seen it with Embiid, sometimes with PG13, a lot of times with Harden. The Celtics offense works cause everyone can shoot threes, Randle so far is shooting 28% from three in the playoffs. If you plugged him into their offense the ball moves less and the defense sags more, it's what happened with Smart. If we had Lauri our offense would look like theirs where no one player needs to create a lot and there's terror as the ball swings around to find the one of the 4 guys shooting 40% from three and all of them can drive on the catch


We're not getting Lauri, if he ends up with the Spurs they are going to make the playoffs and have one of the most devastating front courts we've seen in decades.

I think what's telling about Lauri is that he's yet to make the playoffs yet in his career. Puts up numbers but cant even get there. Randle at least gets us to the playoffs. Im not sold on him being a winning player.

Just randle's presence alone helps Brunson significantly in the post season. This is from last year.

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I hear the concerns about Randle's playoffs. But he had some good games last year on one ankle. He also shot 41% from the field (which is bad) against the heat but very similar to RJ's 42% FG who a lot of people felt like he played great.

I think Randle can figure it out. We saw flashes last year on one ankle that he can play well in the post season.

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Randle has struggled in the playoffs but I always felt we needed him to beat Miami.

Also, I think people are really underrating how much space he will have with not just OG and Divo, but Mikal as well. He’s gonna have a great year.

[knicks9784]

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We squeezed him, but he gets to come over this year

I believe this also means he can't be traded for 30 days after signing

That dude posting his manifesto on how he's going to the Nets is punching the air right now lol

twitter coping from the nyet fans is hilarious. dudes were straight up role playing scenarios and reporting it as if it were factual.

[knicksstuff]

if we do resign Precious it would be smart to sign him to slightly higher salary incase we need to match salaries later in the season

[stuporman]

Knicks better not be done, they need another center because Mitch will miss some time this season, Precious is too small to be a full time starter, Huk is still an unproven rookie and Sims jumps high...but has a fro.

[stuporman]

That’s a kid that wants to be a Knicks!

Also I wonder are they just trying to save money or do they have something planned for that space?

The Knicks paid the buyout for him so he didn't have to and I guess that doesn't count against the cap but the almost 1mil savings isn't likely to be too useful because the Knicks only have the TPMLE to use besides resigning Precious with bird rights.

Ahh I see so we did that to look good on the books. Ok, another Brock Aller move you have to respect.

If anyone can make that savings useful in the cap it will be Aller I suppose because it's chump change to Dolan, it's not like he's pumping fist over 900k.

[3toheadmelo]

Teams send less help in the playoffs and matchups can impact a lot of what teams do. Against a team like the Bucks we're not going to be giving the ball to Randle a lot in the post, one on one vs Giannis in a series where he's trying to beat him like that would stall our offense out. So then he becomes more of a driver and spacer, and if he's not shooting a high percentage on threes the defense sags off.

What works in the regular season may not work in the playoffs and my biggest issue with Randle is we haven't seen success in the playoffs, he needs to show me he can do it, his regular season doesn't matter to me anymore he has to prove it in the playoffs. Some guys games do not transfer to the playoffs, we've seen it with Embiid, sometimes with PG13, a lot of times with Harden. The Celtics offense works cause everyone can shoot threes, Randle so far is shooting 28% from three in the playoffs. If you plugged him into their offense the ball moves less and the defense sags more, it's what happened with Smart. If we had Lauri our offense would look like theirs where no one player needs to create a lot and there's terror as the ball swings around to find the one of the 4 guys shooting 40% from three and all of them can drive on the catch


We're not getting Lauri, if he ends up with the Spurs they are going to make the playoffs and have one of the most devastating front courts we've seen in decades.

I think what's telling about Lauri is that he's yet to make the playoffs yet in his career. Puts up numbers but cant even get there. Randle at least gets us to the playoffs. Im not sold on him being a winning player.

Just randle's presence alone helps Brunson significantly in the post season. This is from last year.

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I hear the concerns about Randle's playoffs. But he had some good games last year on one ankle. He also shot 41% from the field (which is bad) against the heat but very similar to RJ's 42% FG who a lot of people felt like he played great.

I think Randle can figure it out. We saw flashes last year on one ankle that he can play well in the post season.

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Randle has struggled in the playoffs but I always felt we needed him to beat Miami.

Also, I think people are really underrating how much space he will have with not just OG and Divo, but Mikal as well. He’s gonna have a great year.

We're gonna be seeing a lot of this Julius next year

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[dukeknicksirish]

So we avoided the hard cap, signed our 1st rounder at only 80% of the rookie scale, obtained another player for depth, retained rights to resign Precious, got a MLE availability and can still include draft capital to go trade for Kessler/Richards….

LET’S GO