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Re: Orlando Kings Pels 

Post#21 » by Sactowndog » Thu Jul 4, 2024 5:50 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:
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IDK what the plan is for the Magic FO now that they have Goga, Mo and WCJ. I am not convinced they're looking to move WCJ, but assuming they are, I like both Sexton or Devin Carter.

I really havent followed the draft much, but i am intrigued by Devin Carter. Carter for Carter? I think WCJ could be a nice fit next to Sabonis if they want to go big, but the Kings can send WCJ+picks to the Pelicans if they want Ingram.

I like Sexton more than most, but any trade for Sexton will have to involve Cole Anthony as well. There is just no playing time for both. This would probably need to be a multi-team trade as the JAzz dont need WCJ.


I think they play Isaac at Center also. So it’s really
Isaac, Gogo, Wagner. All three of whom have just resigned with Orlando.

I have Devin Carter > WCJ who doesn’t look to be part of the rotation and had pretty inefficient minutes.


WCJ isnt part of the rotation? If he isnt traded, WCJ is most likely the starter. Not sure what you mean by inefficient minutes.


When you look at blocks per 36 and points per 36 both Isaac and Wagner are better than WCJ.

I think Isaac is the planned starter next year at center given the contract they just gave him.
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Re: Orlando Kings Pels 

Post#22 » by orlando_joe » Thu Jul 4, 2024 6:10 pm

Sactowndog wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
Sactowndog wrote:
I think they play Isaac at Center also. So it’s really
Isaac, Gogo, Wagner. All three of whom have just resigned with Orlando.

I have Devin Carter > WCJ who doesn’t look to be part of the rotation and had pretty inefficient minutes.


WCJ isnt part of the rotation? If he isnt traded, WCJ is most likely the starter. Not sure what you mean by inefficient minutes.


When you look at blocks per 36 and points per 36 both Isaac and Wagner are better than WCJ.

I think Isaac is the planned starter next year at center given the contract they just gave him.

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Re: Orlando Kings Pels 

Post#23 » by Residual-Heat » Thu Jul 4, 2024 6:26 pm

Sactowndog wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
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I think they play Isaac at Center also. So it’s really
Isaac, Gogo, Wagner. All three of whom have just resigned with Orlando.

I have Devin Carter > WCJ who doesn’t look to be part of the rotation and had pretty inefficient minutes.


WCJ isnt part of the rotation? If he isnt traded, WCJ is most likely the starter. Not sure what you mean by inefficient minutes.


When you look at blocks per 36 and points per 36 both Isaac and Wagner are better than WCJ.

I think Isaac is the planned starter next year at center given the contract they just gave him.

Mo Wagner cannot defend or rebound as well as WCJ. WCJ despite low blocks is a decent overall defender. Isaac is a different beast, but he shouldnt play center full time. He's 230lbs, WCJ is 270 lbs.

With how cautious they were with him this season to keep him healthy, I dont expect Isaac to start next season. He will play some back up minutes at center, but should mostly play PF and even some SF. At 17 mill AAV and the way that contract is structured, I think his contract is very good for a bench player of his caliber if he can give you 20-25 mpg. He really just needs to stay healthy. IDK what the FO is thinking, and you could be right that they plan to start Isaac, I just dont think it would be a good idea.
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Re: Orlando Kings Pels 

Post#24 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 8:52 pm

Sactowndog wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
Sactowndog wrote:
I think they play Isaac at Center also. So it’s really
Isaac, Gogo, Wagner. All three of whom have just resigned with Orlando.

I have Devin Carter > WCJ who doesn’t look to be part of the rotation and had pretty inefficient minutes.


WCJ isnt part of the rotation? If he isnt traded, WCJ is most likely the starter. Not sure what you mean by inefficient minutes.


When you look at blocks per 36 and points per 36 both Isaac and Wagner are better than WCJ.

I think Isaac is the planned starter next year at center given the contract they just gave him.
He's not. They gave him that contract because when he's on the floor, he's a top 2 defender in the league. They CAN use him as smallball C but he's more valuable as a wing defender, causing chaos.

WC is the starter, 100%, until a clear upgrade is attainable. Before last season, he had earned major hype for his play. He had a down year as he struggled mentally, seeing the team succeed without him. Hopefully with a clearer understanding of what's needed, he'll thrive and have a better season.
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Re: Orlando Kings Pels 

Post#25 » by DetroitDon15 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 10:26 pm

Sactowndog wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:Magic depth chart right now looks to be:

Suggs / Anthony / Black
KCP / Harris
Wagner / Da Silva / Houstan
Banchero / Isaac / Howard
WCJ / Wagner / Goga

I don't see this deal for them. They have a lot of Cs. A lot of Fs. A lot of SGs. Not a lot of PGs as Suggs is more of a SG, Anthony is a bench scoring guard was real PG type and Black is unproven. Swapping their surplus at C just to reallocate it to a surplus at SG doesn't make sense really. Especially since I'd argue that Wagner/Goga is a relatively weak starter/backup duo at center. Wagner is a good backup and Gog ais great 3rd string but bump them up to 1st/2nd on the depth chart and they go from strong to "meh" at best.

Would the Jazz want to move Sexton for Huerter as a framework? I could see Sexton being more appealing to ORL. Utah has George and Collier as young PGs so maybe they want to develop those guys there? IDK though, that still feels like forcing it.


So maybe a revised trade might be

Sacramento in: Ingram, Orlando filler
Sacramento out: Barnes, Huerter, Devin Carter

New Orleans in: Huerter, WCJ
New Orleans out: Ingram

Orlando out: WCJ, filler
Orlando in: Barnes, Devin Carter

Why for Orlando: gives them a back-up 3/4 in Barnes and let’s them play Isaac at center which is their plan. Devin Carter gives them a young athletic point guard to grow with Black.

Why for New Orleans: gives them a starting center in WCJ to play in front of Missi. Gives them a starting caliber 2 who gives shooting to fit with CJ, Alvarado, and Murray.

Why for Sac: fills their hole at 3.


I don’t think this deal for Orlando. Goga and Wagner are not starting centers in the league. If Barnes was rerouted for a center, I think that it would make sense.
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Re: Orlando Kings Pels 

Post#26 » by Sactowndog » Fri Jul 5, 2024 12:29 am

Nyce_1 wrote:
Sactowndog wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
WCJ isnt part of the rotation? If he isnt traded, WCJ is most likely the starter. Not sure what you mean by inefficient minutes.


When you look at blocks per 36 and points per 36 both Isaac and Wagner are better than WCJ.

I think Isaac is the planned starter next year at center given the contract they just gave him.
He's not. They gave him that contract because when he's on the floor, he's a [b]top 2 defender[/b] in the league. They CAN use him as smallball C but he's more valuable as a wing defender, causing chaos.

WC is the starter, 100%, until a clear upgrade is attainable. Before last season, he had earned major hype for his play. He had a down year as he struggled mentally, seeing the team succeed without him. Hopefully with a clearer understanding of what's needed, he'll thrive and have a better season.


If he is a top 2 defender they are going to get him on the floor. With Banchero and Wagner already in the forward spots you have to play him at center.

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