2024 Trade Rumors

[Inigo Montoya]

Knicks fan here. Would you be interested in:

1. Pacome Dadiet (first round pick this year's draft, not signed yet, so tradable)
2. Kevin McCuller (second round pick this year's draft)
3. Detroit first round pick
4. Sims (third string center, but has his moments)
5. And 3-4 second round picks

For Kessler

I think at this point we have plenty of young players already. I'm not even sure we have enough roster spots for the trade you're proposing (the Jazz also just signed Eubanks to be their third-string center) and the Jazz might have problems getting to 90% of the salary cap if they continue to take in more players on rookie contracts. At this point the Jazz have enough picks so unless the Jazz gets back a really good pick or a promising player with equal talent I wouldn't want to trade Kessler. In a vauum this isn't a bad offer but it just doesn't work with the Jazz's current situation.

[babyjax13]

Knicks fan here. Would you be interested in:

1. Pacome Dadiet (first round pick this year's draft, not signed yet, so tradable)
2. Kevin McCuller (second round pick this year's draft)
3. Detroit first round pick
4. Sims (third string center, but has his moments)
5. And 3-4 second round picks

For Kessler

I'd do it. I like Dadiet, McCullar, and Sims, and all the 2nds (this works out to about 6 if the Detroit pick doesn't convey) is a lot of value.

[bkohler]

I love Kessler but I'm not sure he's anything beyond a decent starter and that's a lot of value for him.

[SlimShady83]

I'm Laker fan, just curious to know, what are you guys wanting for Lauri M? Not just Lakers side of things, but In general.

Would Vando + JHS + pics get It done?? Just spit balling here:)
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/lal/team2/uta

[Inigo Montoya]

I'm Laker fan, just curious to know, what are you guys wanting for Lauri M? Not just Lakers side of things, but In general.

Would Vando + JHS + pics get It done?? Just spit balling here:)
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/lal/team2/uta

I don't think the Lakers have the assets and the deal you proposed will not get it done.

The Jazz reportedly made it clear they'd be willing to move Markkanen for a Gobert-type deal (or Mitchell\Bridges kind of deal). They'd be looking for a lot of picks--unprotected--and young talent.

I've read the General Board and seen a lot of people being skeptical of Ainge being able to get a Bridges-type deal done and it's weird to me they'd still doubt his ability to get this kind of deal done when half the league is chasing after Markkanen.

[Inigo Montoya]

I'd do it. I like Dadiet, McCullar, and Sims, and all the 2nds (this works out to about 6 if the Detroit pick doesn't convey) is a lot of value.

I love Kessler but I'm not sure he's anything beyond a decent starter and that's a lot of value for him.

It's a lot of value but it's a lot of mediocre to low value for Kessler when the Jazz already have a lot of that kind of value in picks and young players. Even if Kessler is a decent starter none of the players in this deal have shown yet that they have that type of ability. Furthermore, if you move Kessler you once again set your rebuild back because you now have a hole at C other than Flip. Sims is redundant, especially with Eubanks. Dadiet and McCullar are not more promising than the young players the Jazz already have on the roster and just drafted.

With all the picks the Jazz have, they still didn't manage to get Lillard, Holiday, Porzingis, Bridges, Murray, Young, PG13. So the amount of picks the Jazz have is not the issue. The Jazz already own the 2nd most first round picks in the league. Getting even more mediocre picks will not help them getting the deals they want done and they won't be able to use them all anyway.

[Jampod]

I’m torn between trading Lauri or not. We could be one of the worst 7 teams in the league with Lauri on roster next year, and still manage to draft a rookie who changes our franchise for the better. Also, trading him to GSW and making them better isn’t something I’d want to see Ainge do.

However, if Lauri does stay what happens three or four years from now? Trade him after he’s past his prime? A championship or opening a window isn’t guaranteed even if he does stay. There are no easy answers with where we are at right now. I would want an all-star level talent with picks in exchange for Lauri.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I'd do it. I like Dadiet, McCullar, and Sims, and all the 2nds (this works out to about 6 if the Detroit pick doesn't convey) is a lot of value.

I love Kessler but I'm not sure he's anything beyond a decent starter and that's a lot of value for him.

It's a lot of value but it's a lot of mediocre to low value for Kessler when the Jazz already have a lot of that kind of value in picks and young players. Even if Kessler is a decent starter none of the players in this deal have shown yet that they have that type of ability. Furthermore, if you move Kessler you once again set your rebuild back because you now have a hole at C other than Flip. Sims is redundant, especially with Eubanks. Dadiet and McCullar are not more promising than the young players the Jazz already have on the roster and just drafted.

With all the picks the Jazz have, they still didn't manage to get Lillard, Holiday, Porzingis, Bridges, Murray, Young, PG13. So the amount of picks the Jazz have is not the issue. The Jazz already own the 2nd most first round picks in the league. Getting even more mediocre picks will not help them getting the deals they want done and they won't be able to use them all anyway.

I 100% agree with this.

[Inigo Montoya]

I’m torn between trading Lauri or not. We could be one of the worst 7 teams in the league with Lauri on roster next year, and still manage to draft a rookie who changes our franchise for the better. Also, trading him to GSW and making them better isn’t something I’d want to see Ainge do.

However, if Lauri does stay what happens three or four years from now? Trade him after he’s past his prime? A championship or opening a window isn’t guaranteed even if he does stay. There are no easy answers with where we are at right now. I would want an all-star level talent with picks in exchange for Lauri.

I really like Markkanen as well but here is another way to look at it:

No one knew he was going to be this good when the Jazz made the trade. He was supposed to be a decent starter. Suddenly with the Jazz he made the jump. Time to sell high. If anything, the time he spent with the Jazz benefited all parties. He made a leap, made the allstar, won MIP, earned himself probably a max contract and completely changed the trajectory of his career, half the league is trying to trade for him and for the first time in his career he could find himself with a playoff team. And as for the Jazz, they turned what was supposed to be an ok player and a salary filler into a highly coveted player, and trading him now will help them with the rebuild.

[AingesBurner]

I'm Laker fan, just curious to know, what are you guys wanting for Lauri M? Not just Lakers side of things, but In general.

Would Vando + JHS + pics get It done?? Just spit balling here:)
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine/_/year/2024/team1/lal/team2/uta

Not even close

[AingesBurner]

What if Ainge is able to get a pick for Collins by inflating Lauri’s and Mikals value so much? That would be insane.

[Jampod]

Per Jake Fischer Sacramento was really close to finishing a deal for Markkannen earlier this week.

Zanik has also been noted saying that the Jazz are doing business with the thought in mind that there is a ten percent chance a deal gets done. This was all said on the no cap room podcast.

[Jampod]

I’m torn between trading Lauri or not. We could be one of the worst 7 teams in the league with Lauri on roster next year, and still manage to draft a rookie who changes our franchise for the better. Also, trading him to GSW and making them better isn’t something I’d want to see Ainge do.

However, if Lauri does stay what happens three or four years from now? Trade him after he’s past his prime? A championship or opening a window isn’t guaranteed even if he does stay. There are no easy answers with where we are at right now. I would want an all-star level talent with picks in exchange for Lauri.

I really like Markkanen as well but here is another way to look at it:

No one knew he was going to be this good when the Jazz made the trade. He was supposed to be a decent starter. Suddenly with the Jazz he made the jump. Time to sell high. If anything, the time he spent with the Jazz benefited all parties. He made a leap, made the allstar, won MIP, earned himself probably a max contract and completely changed the trajectory of his career, half the league is trying to trade for him and for the first time in his career he could find himself with a playoff team. And as for the Jazz, they turned what was supposed to be an ok player and a salary filler into a highly coveted player, and trading him now will help them with the rebuild.

I get that. It’s a net positive if we end up gaining more valuable assets in exchange for Markkannen. However, look at OKC and how theyve become a contender. They traded for Shai, and held onto him during losing seasons. He’s since grown into a top ten player in the NBA. If we do trade Markkannen, I’d anticipate a rebuilding period between 5-8 years before we are contending again.

[SoCalJazzFan]

I’m torn between trading Lauri or not. We could be one of the worst 7 teams in the league with Lauri on roster next year, and still manage to draft a rookie who changes our franchise for the better. Also, trading him to GSW and making them better isn’t something I’d want to see Ainge do.

However, if Lauri does stay what happens three or four years from now? Trade him after he’s past his prime? A championship or opening a window isn’t guaranteed even if he does stay. There are no easy answers with where we are at right now. I would want an all-star level talent with picks in exchange for Lauri.

I really like Markkanen as well but here is another way to look at it:

No one knew he was going to be this good when the Jazz made the trade. He was supposed to be a decent starter. Suddenly with the Jazz he made the jump. Time to sell high. If anything, the time he spent with the Jazz benefited all parties. He made a leap, made the allstar, won MIP, earned himself probably a max contract and completely changed the trajectory of his career, half the league is trying to trade for him and for the first time in his career he could find himself with a playoff team. And as for the Jazz, they turned what was supposed to be an ok player and a salary filler into a highly coveted player, and trading him now will help them with the rebuild.

I get that. It’s a net positive if we end up gaining more valuable assets in exchange for Markkannen. However, look at OKC and how theyve become a contender. They traded for Shai, and held onto him during losing seasons. He’s since grown into a top ten player in the NBA. If we do trade Markkannen, I’d anticipate a rebuilding period between 5-8 years before we are contending again.

In a perfect world, I would prefer to keep Markkanen, still end up with a top 3 pick in 2025, perhaps a top 5 in 2026 and build organically from there.

That might not happen, so I hope that the Jazz trade with the Spurs and nab their and the Hawks picks and then future picks past 2029 with the hope that multiple lottery selections work lottery magic and/or gives us foundational/franchise players.

The OKC rebuild really hasn't been going on in force for that long.
In 2020, OKC trades for Shai (#11 pick in 2018).
In 2021 they pick Giddey #6 in a bad draft, so bad luck there as it didn't work out, but it did land them Caruso who will be a difference maker for them next year.
In 2022 they drafted Chet with the #2 pick, and Jalen Williams with #12 pick (got lucky there).
So, that is only 3-4 years of picking/trading into top level players. Before that, their picks weren't very good (in the teens and twenties).

The Jazz, if they have good picks in 2025 and 2026 could quickly turn a corner within a couple of years after that as there are absolute studs in those drafts. We would hope that one or two guys from the last two drafts hit, and then we are back in business.

The alternative? We could do what Locke suggested and get DeRozen, or some other borderline washed up vet, and win 30 games for a few years and hope that guys from the last two draft classes end up being stars, which feels unlikely.

[SoCalJazzFan]

If there is a Markk trade with the Spurs, the possibility of which is being rumored today, these are the FRP Spurs assets that could be involved (bold are those I'd be interested in):
2025 SAS (bottom 5 last year, need more than Markk to get out of lottery, IMO)
2025 ATL (IMO, ATL is trending down)
2025 CHA (protected 1-14- so not interested)
2025 CHI (protected 1-10 2025 and 1-8 2026 and 2027)
2026 SAS (with rights to swap with ATL)
2027 SAS (are Spurs good by this point? Probably)
2027 ATL
2030 DAL
2031 MIN

Those 5 picks, plus a pick swap (TBD) would match the Mikal Bridges trade. Since the Nets got Bogey (who could be flipped at the deadline for another pick) and we would probably just get salary filler, perhaps one more pick swap or two seconds would be in order.

These are the Jazz FRPs for the next 3 drafts:

2025
UTA (1-10, otherwise to OKC)
MIN
CLE

2026

2027
UTA
LAL (1-4 protected)
CLE
MIN
UTA (1-8, otherwise OKC)
Best of MIN or CLE

I have to modify this as I now see that the Jazz in 2026 have a "best of" situation, not multiple picks and to make sure the Stepian rule is adhered to.

So, in a trade with the Spurs, I want:
1- Best of 2025 SAS, ATL pick
2- rights to swap the lesser of 2025 SAS/ATL pick with either CLE or MIN pick (this can be negotiated as being highest or lowest pick, or I would even consider two pick swaps for best two SAS picks for worst UTA picks)
3- 2025 CHI pick (protected 1-10 2025, 1-8 in 2026 and 2027, or becomes 2028 second round pick)
4- 2026 SAS/ATL pick (Spurs get the rights to swap pick, so we would get the best of the two)
5- Best of 2027 SAS/ATL pick (maybe do another pick swap here for the lesser?)
6- 2030 DAL pick

That is five FRPs and a pick swap. No players need be traded unless either party wants to (it would probably be Keldon Johnson or Zach Collins).

In an early 2025 mock draft, UTA is #5, ATL #8, SAS #10, CHI #9. So, Jazz could end up with two top 10 picks and perhaps another one or two lottery picks, which could potentially be consolidated into two amazing players.

In 2026, Jazz could once again have two top 10 picks, perhaps 3 depending on what happens with the Bulls pick.

Really, at that point that Jazz probably have drafted their franchise player(s) and could pivot to acquiring vet players for future picks.

[Jampod]

In a perfect world, I would prefer to keep Markkanen, still end up with a top 3 pick in 2025, perhaps a top 5 in 2026 and build organically from there.

That might not happen, so I hope that the Jazz trade with the Spurs and nab their and the Hawks picks and then future picks past 2029 with the hope that multiple lottery selections work lottery magic and/or gives us foundational/franchise players.

The OKC rebuild really hasn't been going on in force for that long.
In 2020, OKC trades for Shai (#11 pick in 2018).
In 2021 they pick Giddey #6 in a bad draft, so bad luck there as it didn't work out, but it did land them Caruso who will be a difference maker for them next year.
In 2022 they drafted Chet with the #2 pick, and Jalen Williams with #12 pick (got lucky there).
So, that is only 3-4 years of picking/trading into top level players. Before that, their picks weren't very good (in the teens and twenties).

The Jazz, if they have good picks in 2025 and 2026 could quickly turn a corner within a couple of years after that as there are absolute studs in those drafts. We would hope that one or two guys from the last two drafts hit, and then we are back in business.

The alternative? We could do what Locke suggested and get DeRozen, or some other borderline washed up vet, and win 30 games for a few years and hope that guys from the last two draft classes end up being stars, which feels unlikely.

Yes, I think it’s very possible we still get an all star level talent in next years draft with Lauri on our team next year. Tre Johnson, Dink Pate, Khaman Malauach to name a few.

The only trades I personally like that have been floated for Markkannen would involve SAS and their ATL picks. Sacramento including Keegan Murray, or the Rockets trading Alperen Sengun plus picks. If we trade Lauri for solely picks I would view that as a bad deal for the Jazz.

[Jazzfan 81]

It appears that the Jazz have three offers on the table for Lauri. They are from Spurs, Golden State and the Kings. If the Jazz want picks I hope the go with the Spurs and get the Atlanta picks. If they want players I hope it is with the Kings and get Murray. What do you all think? Is there other potential trade partners that could sneak into the conversation? I want to keep Lauri if he is happy here otherwise I want as many draft picks as we can get.

[Inigo Montoya]

It appears that the Jazz have three offers on the table for Lauri. They are from Spurs, Golden State and the Kings. If the Jazz want picks I hope the go with the Spurs and get the Atlanta picks. If they want players I hope it is with the Kings and get Murray. What do you all think? Is there other potential trade partners that could sneak into the conversation? I want to keep Lauri if he is happy here otherwise I want as many draft picks as we can get.

Houston. They have a lot of young talent and they own the Suns' draft picks. They are (or at least, they were) a fringe playoff team and they could potentially still end up out of the playoffs so their own picks may not be entirely useless.

[Jampod]

As of right now, I doubt any movement with Lauri happens until next month. First priority is to R & E him, so we aren’t going to be making any other moves until then.

[Jampod]

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So…the kings set a deadline with an offer on the table that didn’t include Keegan Murray, and they still think they can somehow obtain Lauri after acquiring DeRozan?