Daryl Morey apology / appreciation thread

[NYSixersFan]

No crow eating whatsoever....

I've been saying for the past 2 months that I was against a 4 year max for George. I also said that I expect Morey to do it because he has no concept of team building.

I also said that I would rather sign George to a 4 year max than punt till the deadline. I like the Drummond and Gordon pickups. Let's see how the rest of the roster looks.

If we win it all...heck, if we just make it to the finals, I will concede Morey did a good job this off-season...

But if you guys wanna crown his ass then go ahead, but Daryl is who I thought he was...and I'm not going to let him off the hook....for now.

[mjkvol]

No crow eating whatsoever....

I've been saying for the past 2 months that I was against a 4 year max for George. I also said that I expect Morey to do it because he has no concept of team building.

I also said that I would rather sign George to a 4 year max than punt till the deadline. I like the Drummond and Gordon pickups. Let's see how the rest of the roster looks.

If we win it all...heck, if we just make it to the finals, I will concede Morey did a good job this off-season...

But if you guys wanna crown his ass then go ahead, but Daryl is who I thought he was...and I'm not going to let him off the hook....for now.

You know I was against the George max as well, we've agreed on that all along. I like how he kept and used the picks, the signings have so far been very good, and he's kept some ammo for the deadline. All in all, not bad.

But "finals or bust" is completely unfair, especially in year one, and just an easy way to prove that you were right all along. We've seen for the last few years how injuries, breaks in the playoff path you get, and out and out luck have played huge parts in teams getting to the finals or not.

The Celtics will never be stronger than they are now and should be this season, and we don't know about the Knicks yet or if Indy can take the next step. We are not likely to be exactly where we need to be until next season. To me, this is a 2-year plan, minimum.

[blargh]

No crow eating whatsoever....

The Celtics will never be stronger than they are now and should be this season, and we don't know about the Knicks yet or if Indy can take the next step. We are not likely to be exactly where we need to be until next season. To me, this is a 2-year plan, minimum.

It’s a two year plan, minimum and maximum. If we can’t win in year one and two, a 36/37-year old PG is not getting us over the finish line.

[76ciology]

No crow eating whatsoever....

I've been saying for the past 2 months that I was against a 4 year max for George. I also said that I expect Morey to do it because he has no concept of team building.

I also said that I would rather sign George to a 4 year max than punt till the deadline. I like the Drummond and Gordon pickups. Let's see how the rest of the roster looks.

If we win it all...heck, if we just make it to the finals, I will concede Morey did a good job this off-season...

But if you guys wanna crown his ass then go ahead, but Daryl is who I thought he was...and I'm not going to let him off the hook....for now.

It's OK. You don't need to commit to a certain belief. The ability to change one's mind when presented with new information is a sign of intelligence and open-mindedness.

[mjkvol]

No crow eating whatsoever....

The Celtics will never be stronger than they are now and should be this season, and we don't know about the Knicks yet or if Indy can take the next step. We are not likely to be exactly where we need to be until next season. To me, this is a 2-year plan, minimum.

It’s a two year plan, minimum and maximum. If we can’t win in year one and two, a 36/37-year old PG is not getting us over the finish line.

That would be true if everything remained static in the world of the NBA, but we see seismic changes routinely now, with teams rising and falling every season.

Two years is an eternity in this league now, and we have no idea what the landscape will look like even a year from now. George could be dealt at that point if it isn't working here - he's not Tobias Harris, and his contract gets less onerous every year.

Smart GM's and teams take the long view while fans live in the moment. I wouldn't even hazard a guess of what this team will look like after this year's deadline.

[NYSixersFan]

I never said win or make it to the finals next year. But if it's not done in the next 2 years, highly unlikely it will get done with PG.

[Negrodamus]

I think Morey did his job. Whether everyone can stay healthy into the playoffs isn’t really his job. He got an all-NBA level player at a position of need to sign with a former MVP and an up and coming all-NBAer. And he spent zero draft capital doing so. He has annihilated this off-season.

[zaz102]

Since Morey's been in charge, there have now been three times that I thought this team was toast and they were rejuvinated.

1. Swept by the Celtics and stuck with Horford and Richardson > Traded those bums and were the #1 seed the next year.

2. Simmons gets the yips to flame out against the Hawks and refuses to play for the Sixers and demands a trade > Maxey starts looking like a real player and they trade Simmons for Harden.

3. After losing with a 3-2 lead to Boston, it becomes clear that Harden will not be with the team. The team also is inflexible with Tobis contract > Maxey becomes an all-star and they get decent assets for Harden. They end up with Paul George and are able to keep those assets.


It's hard for me to determine where I would rate him from 1-10, but I'm pretty sure it would have to be on the favorable side. Even though he could be partially to blame for #2 and mostly to blame for #3, he has been able to make massive positive pivots three times in his short stint here. Obviously, the real barometer is the championship, but I think even when considering the failures the team has been better off after each pivot.

[Eyeamok]

I never understood the criticism he got. He inherited a roster that had plenty flaws and unforeseen dilemmas and still put us in a position to compete.

James Harden and most especially Harrell and wasting the 23/24 season

Who would you have traded Simmons for?

[M2J]

I never understood the criticism he got. He inherited a roster that had plenty flaws and unforeseen dilemmas and still put us in a position to compete.

James Harden and most especially Harrell and wasting the 23/24 season

Who would you have traded Simmons for?

Been through this a trillion times with backup. But Haliburton or Fox primarily. Cleveland was interested with Laurie, Indy was looking at him...albeit for Sabonis... But a 3 way could've been found.... Like for Fox or Hali.

Mind you, these trades that you possibly could have gotten these players plus draft capital for. I didn't even think about Philly trading Ben Simmons with two picks except for James. So I'm sure more could've been out there.

[Mik317]

jobs not finished

[Eyeamok]

James Harden and most especially Harrell and wasting the 23/24 season

Who would you have traded Simmons for?

Been through this a trillion times with backup. But Haliburton or Fox primarily. Cleveland was interested with Laurie, Indy was looking at him...albeit for Sabonis... But a 3 way could've been found.... Like for Fox or Hali.

Mind you, these trades that you possibly could have gotten these players plus draft capital for. I didn't even think about Philly trading Ben Simmons with two picks except for James. So I'm sure more could've been out there.

Maybe there was a deal for Haliburton to be had. But the Pacers came in and made a better offer. The kings were keeping Fox. People seem to forget that Simmons was limited and had been exposed in the playoffs. Everyone knew his limitations and if a team trading for him could get a player that was less defensive minded but didn't cause your team to play 4 vs 5 on offense you take it.

But let's say you are right as the GM of the team trading for Simmons you get these offers.
If you are the kings are you taking Sabonis or Simmons?
If you are Cleveland are you taking Mitchell or Simmons? They were not even on the same level because it was not just a 1 for one swap, Cleveland gave up picks as well. So they valued Mitchell over Simmons.

The bottom line for me is that every team that may have been interested in Simmons eventually went with a player they wanted more than Simmons even if they had to pay a premium for said player.

[M2J]

Who would you have traded Simmons for?

Been through this a trillion times with backup. But Haliburton or Fox primarily. Cleveland was interested with Laurie, Indy was looking at him...albeit for Sabonis... But a 3 way could've been found.... Like for Fox or Hali.

Mind you, these trades that you possibly could have gotten these players plus draft capital for. I didn't even think about Philly trading Ben Simmons with two picks except for James. So I'm sure more could've been out there.

Maybe there was a deal for Haliburton to be had. But the Pacers came in and made a better offer. The kings were keeping Fox. People seem to forget that Simmons was limited and had been exposed in the playoffs. Everyone knew his limitations and if a team trading for him could get a player that was less defensive minded but didn't cause your team to play 4 vs 5 on offense you take it.

But let's say you are right as the GM of the team trading for Simmons you get these offers.
If you are the kings are you taking Sabonis or Simmons?
If you are Cleveland are you taking Mitchell or Simmons? They were not even on the same level because it was not just a 1 for one swap, Cleveland gave up picks as well. So they valued Mitchell over Simmons.

The bottom line for me is that every team that may have been interested in Simmons eventually went with a player they wanted more than Simmons even if they had to pay a premium for said player.

1. The Kings almost certainly would have traded Ben Simmons for Fox prior to that season when those talks actually came up, and they should have. During the season, you're probably right.

2. Let's not forget Ben's resume during that time ROY, 3x perennial all star and all defensive teams, nightly triple double threat, and was the runner-up for defensive player of the year that year. Philly fans knew he was trash, but a lot of teams in the Kings or pacers or Cleveland's shoes would have taken that gamble with that resume, And nobody heard of a back issue, nor believed the mental health issues... Especially with his agent saying he would play for a new team just not Philly.

3. Sabonis did not have that resume, Indy would have easily traded Sabonis for Ben, And I'm quite sure Sacramento weather preferred Ben over Sabonis. They both were trying to trade for him at the same time and ended up working together because Daryl didn't play fair.

4. Mitchell trade has nothing to do with this, because that happened way after Ben was exposed in Brooklyn. So yes Cleveland would have definitely made that trade. Danny Ainge was just hired within that season, nobody thought Mitchell was available.

But again none of this even touches on if Daryl actually had the werewithal to add picks for an even better player. Instead, he could've gotten these players and picks

I will credit down for making the best out of that situation in the aftermath, but it wasted a long time. I still feel the worst thing he did was choose trez over Andre Drummond

[Eyeamok]

Been through this a trillion times with backup. But Haliburton or Fox primarily. Cleveland was interested with Laurie, Indy was looking at him...albeit for Sabonis... But a 3 way could've been found.... Like for Fox or Hali.

Mind you, these trades that you possibly could have gotten these players plus draft capital for. I didn't even think about Philly trading Ben Simmons with two picks except for James. So I'm sure more could've been out there.

Maybe there was a deal for Haliburton to be had. But the Pacers came in and made a better offer. The kings were keeping Fox. People seem to forget that Simmons was limited and had been exposed in the playoffs. Everyone knew his limitations and if a team trading for him could get a player that was less defensive minded but didn't cause your team to play 4 vs 5 on offense you take it.

But let's say you are right as the GM of the team trading for Simmons you get these offers.
If you are the kings are you taking Sabonis or Simmons?
If you are Cleveland are you taking Mitchell or Simmons? They were not even on the same level because it was not just a 1 for one swap, Cleveland gave up picks as well. So they valued Mitchell over Simmons.

The bottom line for me is that every team that may have been interested in Simmons eventually went with a player they wanted more than Simmons even if they had to pay a premium for said player.

1. The Kings almost certainly would have traded Ben Simmons for Fox prior to that season when those talks actually came up, and they should have. During the season, you're probably right.

2. Let's not forget Ben's resume during that time ROY, 3x perennial all star and all defensive teams, nightly triple double threat, and was the runner-up for defensive player of the year that year. Philly fans knew he was trash, but a lot of teams in the Kings or pacers or Cleveland's shoes would have taken that gamble with that resume, And nobody heard of a back issue, nor believed the mental health issues... Especially with his agent saying he would play for a new team just not Philly.

3. Sabonis did not have that resume, Indy would have easily traded Sabonis for Ben, And I'm quite sure Sacramento weather preferred Ben over Sabonis. They both were trying to trade for him at the same time and ended up working together because Daryl didn't play fair.

4. Mitchell trade has nothing to do with this, because that happened way after Ben was exposed in Brooklyn. So yes Cleveland would have definitely made that trade. Danny Ainge was just hired within that season, nobody thought Mitchell was available.

But again none of this even touches on if Daryl actually had the werewithal to add picks for an even better player. Instead, he could've gotten these players and picks

I will credit down for making the best out of that situation in the aftermath, but it wasted a long time. I still feel the worst thing he did was choose trez over Andre Drummond

I will agree with the Trez over Drummond signing. I credit that to Morey wanting to go with known qualities. And he was wrong.

[blargh]

It’s a two year plan, minimum and maximum. If we can’t win in year one and two, a 36/37-year old PG is not getting us over the finish line.

That would be true if everything remained static in the world of the NBA, but we see seismic changes routinely now, with teams rising and falling every season.

Two years is an eternity in this league now, and we have no idea what the landscape will look like even a year from now. George could be dealt at that point if it isn't working here - he's not Tobias Harris, and his contract gets less onerous every year.

Sure, nothing untrue about that, but all you can evaluate Morey on is the current plan, not hypothetical moves he makes in the future. My point is we will know whether the current moves panned out in two years.

[UptownPhilly]

Morey is the man. Caleb Martin slots in perfectly in our starting lineup. I have no doubts. We lost a year last year, taking one step back, but took two steps forward this year. Championship or bust!!

[sixers hoops]

I was wrong. I thought banking on cap space was a dumb plan because no good players were out there. However, we have a team that at least has a shot now.

[mjkvol]

I was wrong. I thought banking on cap space was a dumb plan because no good players were out there. However, we have a team that at least has a shot now.

And I was wrong on the max contract deal precluding the chance to build a deep roster. Masterful job by Morey, at least on paper. Now it's up to Nick (and some good luck health wise for a change) to make it come to fruition.

[sixers hoops]

I was wrong. I thought banking on cap space was a dumb plan because no good players were out there. However, we have a team that at least has a shot now.

And I was wrong on the max contract deal precluding the chance to build a deep roster. Masterful job by Morey, at least on paper. Now it's up to Nick (and some good luck health wise for a change) to make it come to fruition.

He takes big swings. I hope it works

[M2J]

Maybe there was a deal for Haliburton to be had. But the Pacers came in and made a better offer. The kings were keeping Fox. People seem to forget that Simmons was limited and had been exposed in the playoffs. Everyone knew his limitations and if a team trading for him could get a player that was less defensive minded but didn't cause your team to play 4 vs 5 on offense you take it.

But let's say you are right as the GM of the team trading for Simmons you get these offers.
If you are the kings are you taking Sabonis or Simmons?
If you are Cleveland are you taking Mitchell or Simmons? They were not even on the same level because it was not just a 1 for one swap, Cleveland gave up picks as well. So they valued Mitchell over Simmons.

The bottom line for me is that every team that may have been interested in Simmons eventually went with a player they wanted more than Simmons even if they had to pay a premium for said player.

1. The Kings almost certainly would have traded Ben Simmons for Fox prior to that season when those talks actually came up, and they should have. During the season, you're probably right.

2. Let's not forget Ben's resume during that time ROY, 3x perennial all star and all defensive teams, nightly triple double threat, and was the runner-up for defensive player of the year that year. Philly fans knew he was trash, but a lot of teams in the Kings or pacers or Cleveland's shoes would have taken that gamble with that resume, And nobody heard of a back issue, nor believed the mental health issues... Especially with his agent saying he would play for a new team just not Philly.

3. Sabonis did not have that resume, Indy would have easily traded Sabonis for Ben, And I'm quite sure Sacramento weather preferred Ben over Sabonis. They both were trying to trade for him at the same time and ended up working together because Daryl didn't play fair.

4. Mitchell trade has nothing to do with this, because that happened way after Ben was exposed in Brooklyn. So yes Cleveland would have definitely made that trade. Danny Ainge was just hired within that season, nobody thought Mitchell was available.

But again none of this even touches on if Daryl actually had the werewithal to add picks for an even better player. Instead, he could've gotten these players and picks

I will credit down for making the best out of that situation in the aftermath, but it wasted a long time. I still feel the worst thing he did was choose trez over Andre Drummond

I will agree with the Trez over Drummond signing. I credit that to Morey wanting to go with known qualities. And he was wrong.

It was because of Harden and catering to him also led to 2 tampering charges and loss of draft capital for PJ TUCKER AND DANIEL HOUSE.