Warriorfan wrote:og15 wrote:Warriorfan wrote:
How many basketball eras are defined by players with losing records in finals.
Lebron had lost more finals than ant player last 50yrs.
You seem to have recency bias.
Sidekicks to Curry championships in Thompson and Green are far lower than LeBron support players.
Lebron went to a good amount of finals that his team were overly outmatched in. I'm assuming people are logical reasoning adults and are therefore simply being disingenuous with this stuff.
Let's actually add context and logic to this stuff and not discuss like we are not reasoning adults. The 2007 Cavs should not have been in the finals, the Pistons simply did not do their job. The 2015 Cavs with injuries to Love and Kyrie had no chance, unless maybe you're really high in Mozgov (yea right) . The 2018 Cavs, come on lol, that team should not have been a finals team, and going against the Warriors with Curry and Durant, it wasn't even a competition.
It's not Lebron's fault that East teams that should have been better couldn't stop his teams.
Lebron is 4-6 in the finals but has 3 finals where its clear they were not even on the same level of a team as the competition due to different reasons. There's really not much going on there.
If you want to argue that his teams should have done better in the other 7 (eg: not lose to Dallas), that's fine, but saying a player should be criticized for his team over achieving to get to the finals because they now get a final loss is one of the funniest things that NBA fans propose.
Highly subjective post.
Logic would dictate if you are the 1st or 2nd best player in the history of basketball you can carry a team especially if you have at least 2 other HOF players.
Subjective nuance is Lebron played in what was generally the weaker conference so easier path to finals.
Logic also could dictate if you can beat the winningist regular season team in history you can beat any team but his teams for most part do not.
Lebron is one of the most if not the most influential players in team building in history so should take greater fault for the losses
Many subjective opinions but fact is most Finals losses in modern basketball history.
Lebron Best player of his era but is it his especially when it can be defined by the 3
Wilt statistically dominated his era but it belongs to the Celtics.
1) Who were the two other HOF's playing on the 2007, 2015 and 2018 Cavs?
2) Easier path to the finals helps not hurts Lebron in this argument. The argument is about finals loses. Kidd was 0-2 in the finals as the lead guy, got the through a weak East and he gets boosted for making back to back finals and no one reduces him for not winning against stronger comp.
3) Your logic is: "If you can beat the winningest regular season team one year, you can beat any other team any other year with different and much weaker rosters." That's not logical lol. Secondly a team winning more regular season games doesn't mean they are even better than a similar iteration of the same team winning fewer regular season games. So much changes from season to season that affects regular season record.
4) Team building. The logic of, "well he's been influential in building his teams, so it means that we should criticize finals loses with poor squads like the 2007 Cavs (which he didn't do anything to build), the 2015 Cavs when both co stars were injured and the dismantled 2018 Cavs" is not there lol.
