Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[WargamesX]

I agree, we need to get this done today. Hes a very capable backup 4/5 and completes the lineup for now. We can worry about aquiring a center during the season

Honestly the fact it hasn’t happened already potentially says a lot. I still think Precious real value would be if they could S&T him to another team for either a TPE or even better a second round pick. I don’t know if they really want to use his bird rights to sign him. Diop, if healthy might be a better backup 4, and precious is far from an ideal Thibs center.

Its tough to find a team that is willing to give picks to get Precious.

The team will be hard-capped at first apron to accept him in a sign-and-trade deal. So, you can remove most contending teams.

On the other hand, tanking teams can get Precious using the cap space or the full MLE. They don't need a sign-and-trade deal.

We have to find a team that can't use cap space and already has used the Full MLE. And the same time the team is ok to become hard-capped at the first apron for the whole season.

It is a narrow field but that would still be the best option. They could also see if they can be a third team in a trade to help match salaries.

[Jalen Bluntson]

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Begley is by far the most tuned in.


By structuring the Bridges trade masterfully we are still under the 1st Apron and can use the 5M MLE on possibly Precious (or a backup vet savvy PG). Also sounds like Walker Kessler has a shot to be a Knick.

Utah had Dadiet in for a workout and apparently like him quite a bit, McBride is potentially a good fit there too. I am not saying send both these guys out but it shows we have pieces that Utah should in theory want in return for Kessler.

How is Begley the most tuned in? In this clip he says nothing we didn't already know or speculate.

[WargamesX]

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Begley is by far the most tuned in.


By structuring the Bridges trade masterfully we are still under the 1st Apron and can use the 5M MLE on possibly Precious (or a backup vet savvy PG). Also sounds like Walker Kessler has a shot to be a Knick.

Utah had Dadiet in for a workout and apparently like him quite a bit, McBride is potentially a good fit there too. I am not saying send both these guys out but it shows we have pieces that Utah should in theory want in return for Kessler.

How is Begley the most tuned in? In this clip he says nothing we didn't already know or speculate.

He basically summarized everything that has been said.

[Jalen Bluntson]

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Begley is by far the most tuned in.


By structuring the Bridges trade masterfully we are still under the 1st Apron and can use the 5M MLE on possibly Precious (or a backup vet savvy PG). Also sounds like Walker Kessler has a shot to be a Knick.

Utah had Dadiet in for a workout and apparently like him quite a bit, McBride is potentially a good fit there too. I am not saying send both these guys out but it shows we have pieces that Utah should in theory want in return for Kessler.

How is Begley the most tuned in? In this clip he says nothing we didn't already know or speculate.

He basically summarized everything that has been said.

That's all he ever does. He used to be the guy who would name every FA available and throw shyt at the wall. He calmed down with that but, all he ever does is repeat what we are already discussing on here.

[robillionaire]

How is Begley the most tuned in? In this clip he says nothing we didn't already know or speculate.

He basically summarized everything that has been said.

That's all he ever does. He used to be the guy who would name every FA available and throw shyt at the wall. He calmed down with that but, all he ever does is repeat what we are already discussing on here.

None of these newspaper salesmen know anything. Before the news about the OG, Mikal trades broke, there was total radio silence from these people

It’s good to watch for a casual person who doesn’t seek out every little rumor in advance like we all do and get a quick summary of it all

[R-DAWG]

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Precious might be the best PF free agent left on the board, and lowkey the Knicks should see if they can S&T him to another team for a TPE and some second rounders.

It seems like it will be so much easier to find a Duce replacement in free agency than a C capable of being a 30 MPG guy. Therefore, trading Duce for a C like Kessler seems to make the most sense.

Fultz would be trading Duces shooting for playmaking while keeping the defense

Lowry/Pat Bev/Dinwiddie give you the shooting/defense combo

I don’t want to go the DSJ route.

I kind of feel like the ideal way to close out the offseason is:
1) Sign Fultz to the full taxpayer on a 1+1 (2nd year team option)
2) trade Duce for Kessler straight up
3) resign Precious to a 1+1 (2nd year team option) deal for the highest dollar amount that leaves a vet min slot open under the 2nd apron

Brunson/Fultz/Kolek
Bridges/DDV/McCuller
OG/Hart/Dadiet
Randle/Precious
Robinson/Kessler/Sims

That roster is very deep, and I love having the extra rim protector and ball handler off the bench

Your also set up with some moveable deals for flexibility over the next 2 years.

Ainge would want picks in addition to Deuce.

I would do Duce for Kessler

I would do picks for Kessler (prob would need to be both WAS/DET and although I don't love it push comes to shove I probably say yes), but I'm not sure how we create the salary outside of Precious at this point.

I wouldn't do Duce + Picks for Kessler

[Jalen Bluntson]

He basically summarized everything that has been said.

That's all he ever does. He used to be the guy who would name every FA available and throw shyt at the wall. He calmed down with that but, all he ever does is repeat what we are already discussing on here.

None of these newspaper salesmen know anything. Before the news about the OG, Mikal trades broke, there was total radio silence from these people

It’s good to watch for a casual person who doesn’t seek out every little rumor in advance like we all do and get a quick summary of it all

I just get aggravated with the according to a source comments. Like, one dude from bleacher report suggests a trade and everyone repeats it as a source from the teams or whatever.

Whatever. Our FO is putting in work and the results are pretty damn good. Can't wait to finalize the roster and see the rookies play in SL. Then the dog days set in.

[WargamesX]

It seems like it will be so much easier to find a Duce replacement in free agency than a C capable of being a 30 MPG guy. Therefore, trading Duce for a C like Kessler seems to make the most sense.

Fultz would be trading Duces shooting for playmaking while keeping the defense

Lowry/Pat Bev/Dinwiddie give you the shooting/defense combo

I don’t want to go the DSJ route.

I kind of feel like the ideal way to close out the offseason is:
1) Sign Fultz to the full taxpayer on a 1+1 (2nd year team option)
2) trade Duce for Kessler straight up
3) resign Precious to a 1+1 (2nd year team option) deal for the highest dollar amount that leaves a vet min slot open under the 2nd apron

Brunson/Fultz/Kolek
Bridges/DDV/McCuller
OG/Hart/Dadiet
Randle/Precious
Robinson/Kessler/Sims

That roster is very deep, and I love having the extra rim protector and ball handler off the bench

Your also set up with some moveable deals for flexibility over the next 2 years.

Ainge would want picks in addition to Deuce.

I would do Duce for Kessler

I would do picks for Kessler (prob would need to be both WAS/DET and although I don't love it push comes to shove I probably say yes), but I'm not sure how we create the salary outside of Precious at this point.

I wouldn't do Duce + Picks for Kessler

I might be willing to do Deuce + Picks for Kessler

And I think he is a backup….

[Knick4Real]

Can we please sign Precious today? I don't wanna be checking my phone every 5 minutes this weekend.

I agree, we need to get this done today. Hes a very capable backup 4/5 and completes the lineup for now. We can worry about aquiring a center during the season

They won't sign Precious today just because some fans are getting anxious. They also won't do anything to jeopardize some other deal they're working on (that fans may not know about) or anything that throws us into CBA/apron hell.

Our front office has proven to be very capable. I think fans should just let them cook and stop putting our "need to know now" ahead of them doing what's best for the franchise.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Nobody trusts that Mitch will make it through a full season, it's like hoping Kristaps or Embiid will, he's actually missed more games than them the last 4 seasons. If we didn't have IHart we would have missed the playoffs this season, and the FO knows this. A Precious and Sims frontcourt isn't good enough if the inevitable Mitch injury happens in the playoffs. They have to get another center to protect us from that possibility

[robillionaire]

Nobody trusts that Mitch will make it through a full season, it's like hoping Kristaps or Embiid will, he's actually missed more games than them the last 4 seasons. If we didn't have IHart we would have missed the playoffs this season, and the FO knows this. A Precious and Sims frontcourt isn't good enough if the inevitable Mitch injury happens in the playoffs. They have to get another center to protect us from that possibility

Yeah pretty much. If by some chance Mitch did stay healthy it would be a great bonus though. I am definitely hoping the Kessler trade happens, our worries would be gone

[JayTWill]

Ainge would want picks in addition to Deuce.

I would do Duce for Kessler

I would do picks for Kessler (prob would need to be both WAS/DET and although I don't love it push comes to shove I probably say yes), but I'm not sure how we create the salary outside of Precious at this point.

I wouldn't do Duce + Picks for Kessler

I might be willing to do Deuce + Picks for Kessler

And I think he is a backup….

Utah has George, Sexton, Clarkson and they just drafted Collier. Do they really need another small guard in McBride? They could attempt to re-sign Dunn if they wanted another defensive guard.

[nykballa2k4]

Nobody trusts that Mitch will make it through a full season, it's like hoping Kristaps or Embiid will, he's actually missed more games than them the last 4 seasons. If we didn't have IHart we would have missed the playoffs this season, and the FO knows this. A Precious and Sims frontcourt isn't good enough if the inevitable Mitch injury happens in the playoffs. They have to get another center to protect us from that possibility

Yeah pretty much. If by some chance Mitch did stay healthy it would be a great bonus though. I am definitely hoping the Kessler trade happens, our worries would be gone

Don't want to lose McBride, but I understand you have to give to get.

[Capn'O]

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Begley is by far the most tuned in.


By structuring the Bridges trade masterfully we are still under the 1st Apron and can use the 5M MLE on possibly Precious (or a backup vet savvy PG). Also sounds like Walker Kessler has a shot to be a Knick.

Utah had Dadiet in for a workout and apparently like him quite a bit, McBride is potentially a good fit there too. I am not saying send both these guys out but it shows we have pieces that Utah should in theory want in return for Kessler.

Careful. You might get called a conspiracy theorist.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I would do Duce for Kessler

I would do picks for Kessler (prob would need to be both WAS/DET and although I don't love it push comes to shove I probably say yes), but I'm not sure how we create the salary outside of Precious at this point.

I wouldn't do Duce + Picks for Kessler

I might be willing to do Deuce + Picks for Kessler

And I think he is a backup….

Utah has George, Sexton, Clarkson and they just drafted Collier. Do they really need another small guard in McBride? They could attempt to re-sign Dunn if they wanted another defensive guard.

Even if they had interest in Deuce, a trade is unlikely given Ainge’s passion for acquiring #1 draft picks. Very unlikely Kessler is a real option for the Knicks.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I might be willing to do Deuce + Picks for Kessler

And I think he is a backup….

Utah has George, Sexton, Clarkson and they just drafted Collier. Do they really need another small guard in McBride? They could attempt to re-sign Dunn if they wanted another defensive guard.

Even if they had interest in Deuce, a trade is unlikely given Ainge’s passion for acquiring #1 draft picks. Very unlikely Kessler is a real option for the Knicks.

There is NO WAY we get OG, I mean Mikal, I mean Kessler!

[R-DAWG]

Utah has George, Sexton, Clarkson and they just drafted Collier. Do they really need another small guard in McBride? They could attempt to re-sign Dunn if they wanted another defensive guard.

Even if they had interest in Deuce, a trade is unlikely given Ainge’s passion for acquiring #1 draft picks. Very unlikely Kessler is a real option for the Knicks.

There is NO WAY we get OG, I mean Mikal, I mean Kessler!

We had the assets to pay a premium for OG and overpay for Mikal.

We don't have the assets to overpay for Kessler, we may have the assets to pay a premium (depending on how you value Duce plus the 2 protected picks), but it's not guaranteed that we even have the assets to pay market value for Kessler.

Different scenarios.

[R-DAWG]

Nobody trusts that Mitch will make it through a full season, it's like hoping Kristaps or Embiid will, he's actually missed more games than them the last 4 seasons. If we didn't have IHart we would have missed the playoffs this season, and the FO knows this. A Precious and Sims frontcourt isn't good enough if the inevitable Mitch injury happens in the playoffs. They have to get another center to protect us from that possibility

Yeah pretty much. If by some chance Mitch did stay healthy it would be a great bonus though. I am definitely hoping the Kessler trade happens, our worries would be gone

If the front office thought Hartenstein was the difference between being the #2 seed and missing the playoffs they would not have gone all in on Bridges.

It's more likely they think they can find a replacement for I-Hart

[robillionaire]

Nobody trusts that Mitch will make it through a full season, it's like hoping Kristaps or Embiid will, he's actually missed more games than them the last 4 seasons. If we didn't have IHart we would have missed the playoffs this season, and the FO knows this. A Precious and Sims frontcourt isn't good enough if the inevitable Mitch injury happens in the playoffs. They have to get another center to protect us from that possibility

Yeah pretty much. If by some chance Mitch did stay healthy it would be a great bonus though. I am definitely hoping the Kessler trade happens, our worries would be gone

If the front office thought Hartenstein was the difference between being the #2 seed and missing the playoffs they would not have gone all in on Bridges.

It's more likely they think they can find a replacement for I-Hart

This might sound like cope but I genuinely think Kessler might be better than Ihart as far as how we would use the player. Thibs only wants rim protection and rebounding and he’s really good at that. Ihart can shoot 3s and do secondary passing stuff but we never let him do it anyway. It would definitely make up for what we lost

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Even if they had interest in Deuce, a trade is unlikely given Ainge’s passion for acquiring #1 draft picks. Very unlikely Kessler is a real option for the Knicks.

There is NO WAY we get OG, I mean Mikal, I mean Kessler!

We had the assets to pay a premium for OG and overpay for Mikal.

We don't have the assets to overpay for Kessler, we may have the assets to pay a premium (depending on how you value Duce plus the 2 protected picks), but it's not guaranteed that we even have the assets to pay market value for Kessler.

Different scenarios.

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