Fake Trade Thread #6

[KingCat]

Shouldn't this be moved to the Salaun thread?

[NCHeels2008]

We can't take Reed into cap space can we?

[JDR720]

We can't take Reed into cap space can we?

Think so. We still have about 12m I think.


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Mann + 2 2nd's for Kessler.

[MasterIchiro]

Does Miles count as half outgoing salary for Charlotte in a sign-and-trade?

For example, Hornets sign him to 20 million per we can only take back 10 million? If that's the case, trades only work in this scenario with trade partners that have 10+ cap to start with as of now so they can absorb Miles at 20 while only sending out 10 million?

If that's the case, his trade market limits his markets to teams with a decent slice of cap space. Nuggets paid a premium (3 second round picks) for just 5 million cap. So teams having 10 million cap have about 6 second round picks value for their cap before signing him.

[JustBuzzin]

Jmac is the cap guy around here.

All I know is a John Collins +1st Rd pick is at the top of my list for most realistic best value for Miles.

Gives us a legit starter at pf someone who can grab rebounds and space the floor. We add another future 1st for a major trade down the line.

[amcoolio]

I'd rather have nothing or give all the minutes to Grant/Salaun than John Collins to be honest

[Bassman]

I’m fine with Collins but they’d not include a 1st rd pick for that. Plus they’d only trade him if they’ve decided to keep Markkanen, and right now there are too many teams interested. Would take a monster offer to obtain Lauri. Utah also has to decide what they are OK with spending long term. Collins has a player option next summer. Not much of a gamble on our part, since Miles would be gone anyway and we test drive Collins fit with this group.

[Rich4114]

Sounds like Hornets are poking around on a Brandon Ingram trade. Would have to imagine it would involve Bridges if that happened.

However, if it did not... LaMelo/Ingram/Miller/Miles/Mark... questionable on defense but that lineup would have zero problems scoring.

[SWedd523]

with 0 minutes played as a full 5 man lineup

[MasterIchiro]

I think the new GM comes across like a pleasant extrovert, which is a nice disposition for fostering discussions. I imagine his are healthy. I want him talking to the Pelicans about Ingram. Maybe one day the conversation centers on a more reliable investment.

The trade market comes down to timelines. I think we've pushed back ours 1 or 2 seasons. Maybe Lauri is right for this roster but the timing is off. Still worth talking. Maybe Ingram should play for a contender for less. We can't absorb a big contract to an often-injured player (see Hayward, Gordon).

I think we will operate with practicality.

Miles feels like the most direct answer to the capspace in question, because we cannot replace him with an upgrade who fits our timeline.

Right now, I'd rather have Cam Johnson over Lauri or Ingram even though he plays a couple rungs down from the other players hitting the market with him.

[MasterIchiro]

Anyways, I suspect Miles eventually settles somewhere near Cam Johnson's remaining money. He's owed 65.5 million over 3 seasons.

I'd check Miles right there and no further. He's more talented than Cam Johnson, but he missed significant time which triggers some depreciation on a 3rd option. Miles is a less valuable, more risky (albeit more talented) investment.

I'd be fine with Cam Johnson.

I'd feel surprised by Ingram if he's the choice and his medicals check out.

Lauri would turn my world upside down. But I think the Spurs exit their rebuild and win that bid. Pop has earned it. Wemby has earned it.

[MasterIchiro]

But I do believe Ingram is a (soft) target. Mitch Kupchak drafted him. And Mitch is the shadow government that controls the deep state Hornets.

Clifford is his mouthpiece.

[JustBuzzin]

But I do believe Ingram is a (soft) target. Mitch Kupchak drafted him. And Mitch is the shadow government that controls the deep state Hornets.

Clifford is his mouthpiece.

We had interest in him last off-season so it makes sense to link him with Mitch.

If we can turn Miles into Ingram that would be a upgrade assuming we don't lose any future picks. I think a 3 team deal could be done where Miles goes somewhere other than New Orleans as he doesn't really fit with Zion.

I'm cool with Ingram you can't go wrong with multiple shot creation wings.

[SWedd523]

Ingram has averaged about 56 games played since his rookie year.

No thanks on adding another injury prone dude

[GoBobs]

Ingram has averaged about 56 games played since his rookie year.

No thanks on adding another injury prone dude

Agree, and if I am uncomfortable with M. Bridges at 25-30 million, I am real uncomfortable with Ingram at 45-55 million.

[MasterIchiro]

But I do believe Ingram is a (soft) target. Mitch Kupchak drafted him. And Mitch is the shadow government that controls the deep state Hornets.

Clifford is his mouthpiece.

We had interest in him last off-season so it makes sense to link him with Mitch.

If we can turn Miles into Ingram that would be a upgrade assuming we don't lose any future picks. I think a 3 team deal could be done where Miles goes somewhere other than New Orleans as he doesn't really fit with Zion.

I'm cool with Ingram you can't go wrong with multiple shot creation wings.

Ingram is easily a high end third option over Miles who is nothing special as a third option.

I don't root for this in a vacuum one way or the other. Like I said earlier upthread, every trade has context and condition - Ingram's medicals have to check out. It goes without saying.

Two number 2 overall Kupchak selections in the same lineup?

We are DOOMED!

[MasterIchiro]

But I do believe Ingram is a (soft) target. Mitch Kupchak drafted him. And Mitch is the shadow government that controls the deep state Hornets.

Clifford is his mouthpiece.

We had interest in him last off-season so it makes sense to link him with Mitch.

If we can turn Miles into Ingram that would be a upgrade assuming we don't lose any future picks. I think a 3 team deal could be done where Miles goes somewhere other than New Orleans as he doesn't really fit with Zion.

I'm cool with Ingram you can't go wrong with multiple shot creation wings.

Ingram is easily a high end third option over Miles who is nothing special as a third option.

I don't root for this in a vacuum one way or the other. Like I said earlier upthread, every trade has context and condition - Ingram's medicals have to check out. It goes without saying.

Two number 2 overall Kupchak selections in the same lineup?

We are DOOMED!

On that note, the draft rumor was Ingram for a crack at Scoot 2 or 3. Now that Pelicans have secured Dejounte Murray for PG, I wonder what they want for Ingram other than to move him in favor of Trey Murphy III.

Ingram is 26 (turns 27 September). Lauri turned 27 May. They're the same age. The price will be drastically different.

Maybe Ingram is somewhat of a buy-low soft target given the pressure to finance the raise owed Murphy III.

.595 TS% on Lauri's career.
.561 for Ingram.

So yeah,there's a talent gap on this factor and many others but it's smaller than the gulf in asking price.

Ironic Kupchak pursued Lauri before the Bulls threatened to match (and go over the tax) unless paid a 1st. I don't know that we had cap for Lauiri as well.

Brandon Ingram and Mark Williams in the same lineup?

Man, I can't stomach Duke.

[MasterIchiro]

Hornets trade Miles (to Pistons) + Martin (to Pels/JB) + Heat 1st (to Pels) + Mavs 1st (to Pels) for Brandon Ingram. So, Miles + 2 firsts for the upgrade to Ingram. Martin is filler and removes a multiyear contract required for space towards securing Ingram long term coming off his contract year.

Pistons trade Isiah Stewart for Miles Bridges at 30-35 million per. He plays SF for the Pistons (Tobias PF).

Pelicans trade Ingram (to Hornets) for 2 firsts (via Charlotte via Miami & Dallas) + Beef Stew.

With Val gone, Pels can use a 5 who can space for Zion.

[JDR720]

I don't think Ingram is a big upgrade.

Sure, he's better in a vacuum. But Miles plays 75 games, Ingram plays 55.

I'd take the draft picks and the Clippers deal instead.

Ingram literally just got benched in the playoffs too.

[MasterIchiro]

So basically you deconstruct a money block of non-core players:

Hayward + Rozier + Miles + PJ + Oubre

Transfer payments to: LaMelo Ball (rookie max), Brandon Ingram (36 million due raise), Grant Williams, Josh Green, Tre Mann. You have Brandon Miller, Mark Williams, Saluan, NSJ on rookie scale deals.