With the 31st pick, the Raptors select Jonathan Mogbo

[ATLTimekeeper]

I'm surprised Shead got the same $. RFA v. UFA is significant.

[pharring]

I'm surprised Shead got the same $. RFA v. UFA is significant.

I suppose there was not a great deal of flexibility to be gained by not going to the same $. The exception is the exception. Holding back some cash just to keep it in the till or reflect some kind of 2nd round pick hierarchy seems unnecessary. But my initial reaction was the same as yours.

[douggood]

I'm surprised Shead got the same $. RFA v. UFA is significant.

thats the max shead/mogbo etc can get using the new 2nd round exemption.

if they want more teams have to use the MLE.

[ForeverTFC]

Someone correct me if I’m wrong…

If a team gives the 4 year contract to a second round pick, and the 4th year is picked up, doesn’t that make the player an unrestricted free agent?

If they don’t pick up the 4th year or it is just a 3 year deal, aren’t they then a restricted free agent?

Yes, but if teams end up doing renegotiate and extend which seems to be the trend, then having that RFA status doesn't matter too much.

Someone like Herbert Jones did extremely well. He had his third year option declined at 1.8m and made 12m instead this year on his new extension.

Nembhard will likely do this as well and he is on a 4 year deal so wouldn't be an RFA next off season.

To renegotiate a contract and extend off of it, there needs to be 3 conditions:
1. the contract being renegotiated has to be a 4 year deal (1st round Rookie contracts are exempt)
2. Renegotiation can only happen after the 3rd year of the contract
3. Most importantly, you can only re-negotiate a contract using cap space (have to be a cap team) and the max that you can offer as a raise on the year renegotiated is how much cap space you have

At least, these were the rules under the old CBA. I'm not sure if they have changed now. Jones got a simple extension after the Perlicans declined his 3rd year option using early bird rights as he had 2 years of service. Raptors after 3 years get full bird rights.

[ForeverTFC]

I don't quite understand a 2+1 team option vs a 2+1 partial guarantee+1 team option. I think you can achieve the same things under both contract constructs, other than the dead cap implications of the partial guarantee in year 3 in the latter scenario. Deals are small enough that they shouldn't impact cap planning either and if Jakob picks up his player option in year 4, we won't have much cap space anyways.

Given both players got the same contract, this feels like it's what the Raptors were offering? Not sure what the thinking is. We need a cap expert to help us interpret. Hopefully Will Lou brings Bobby on to discuss this.

[bluerap23]

A long scouting reel of Mogbo playing. You can see his strengths and weaknesses in full.

Watch on YouTube

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We now have quite a few guys (Shead, Mogbo, Ochai) that if they learn how to shoot they'll be special.

Feels like we're always sayng that.

Hey, it worked with Norm haha. Man, his shot was awful in college. Now he's shooting 39% from three for his career.

And OG.

[Mark_83]

We now have quite a few guys (Shead, Mogbo, Ochai) that if they learn how to shoot they'll be special.

Feels like we're always sayng that.

Hey, it worked with Norm haha. Man, his shot was awful in college. Now he's shooting 39% from three for his career.

And OG.

OG at least showed some ability to shoot from three though. Norm was a terrible shooter. He used to shoot as he came down from his jumpshot, and he had a whippy release.

[Dalek]

I don't quite understand a 2+1 team option vs a 2+1 partial guarantee+1 team option. I think you can achieve the same things under both contract constructs, other than the dead cap implications of the partial guarantee in year 3 in the latter scenario. Deals are small enough that they shouldn't impact cap planning either and if Jakob picks up his player option in year 4, we won't have much cap space anyways.

Given both players got the same contract, this feels like it's what the Raptors were offering? Not sure what the thinking is. We need a cap expert to help us interpret. Hopefully Will Lou brings Bobby on to discuss this.

My only thought is that the three year deal protects RFA status which gives some control to the team to protect their player from being poached. Also I thought you need a three year deal for a future sign and trade.

[ForeverTFC]

I don't quite understand a 2+1 team option vs a 2+1 partial guarantee+1 team option. I think you can achieve the same things under both contract constructs, other than the dead cap implications of the partial guarantee in year 3 in the latter scenario. Deals are small enough that they shouldn't impact cap planning either and if Jakob picks up his player option in year 4, we won't have much cap space anyways.

Given both players got the same contract, this feels like it's what the Raptors were offering? Not sure what the thinking is. We need a cap expert to help us interpret. Hopefully Will Lou brings Bobby on to discuss this.

My only thought is that the three year deal protects RFA status which gives some control to the team to protect their player from being poached. Also I thought you need a three year deal for a future sign and trade.

I get the RFA point, but couldn't you just decline the team option on the 4th year and extend a qualifying offer and make them restricted anyways? If not, there must be some kind of language that the total term of the contract dictates whether the player is an RFA or a UFA, and not at what point they become a free agent.

[C_Money]

He’s a 6’7 Centre from my understanding but Bobby calls him a wing. A total of two 3 point attempts in his college career. Likely both of them halfcourt heaves.

[S.W.A.N]

not sure how to interpret the contract but seems weird

Nah, Raps kicked in some money above the minimum and looks like they got two important things in return: team option in year 3, and RFA instead of UFA after 3 years rather than going 4.

Basically they paid for more control and flexibility.

Read on Twitter

Makes sense.

If they're duds, you can jettison them at year 3.
If they're amazing, they're RFAs and we can retain.

Best of both worlds.

exactly. perfect contracts at the cost of a little more money up front a small reduction in our cap space.

[S.W.A.N]

He’s a 6’7 Centre from my understanding but Bobby calls him a wing. A total of two 3 point attempts in his college career. Likely both of them halfcourt heaves.

If he on the court at same time as Scottie and Kelly he will be guarding wings a lot. Which makes him a wing that can't shoot not a center who can't shoot

[RoteSchroder]

He’s a 6’7 Centre from my understanding but Bobby calls him a wing. A total of two 3 point attempts in his college career. Likely both of them halfcourt heaves.

If he on the court at same time as Scottie and Kelly he will be guarding wings a lot. Which makes him a wing that can't shoot not a center who can't shoot

Mogbo took occasional mid-range jumpers last season, while likely hitting at a poor percentage, he still hit some. There’s something to work with, as compared to players who take and make zero jumpers.

His shot release is a bit low imo.

[Duffman100]

If he can start stretching out to 3, I can see some Naz Reid in his game

[PoundTown]

If he can start stretching out to 3, I can see some Naz Reid in his game

Not expecting him to ever shoot it at that level. Naz was making 3s in college and in his rookie year at 20 years old. We can only hope though.

[LoveMyRaps]

If he can start stretching out to 3, I can see some Naz Reid in his game

Pretty good comp tbh.

Worth noting Reid went undrafted. He did attempt a lot more 3s in college though.
I want Mogbo to put up as many 3s as possible this season. Try to attempt at least one per game.

[Ell Curry]

If he can start stretching out to 3, I can see some Naz Reid in his game

Not expecting him to ever shoot it at that level. Naz was making 3s in college and in his rookie year at 20 years old. We can only hope though.

I though we were looking at more of a 2nd unit Draymond kinda vibe than a scorer like Naz.

[S.W.A.N]

If he can start stretching out to 3, I can see some Naz Reid in his game

Not expecting him to ever shoot it at that level. Naz was making 3s in college and in his rookie year at 20 years old. We can only hope though.

I though we were looking at more of a 2nd unit Draymond kinda vibe than a scorer like Naz.

Somewhere in the middle. Right now he more Ghetto Draymond/Scottie than Dime store Naz but either way we would want a three pointer to be part of the development arc so he can be High Bball IQ Precious

[LiSTWithLani]

That's barefoot. He has a 9"0 standing reach

He’s not a high level shot blocker or rim protector

6’7 with shoes is still tough to play C no matter the standing reach. Back up small ball C, maybe, but that depends on the match up.

I assume he'd be a PF, but yeah I wouldn't expect them to stick him on Embiid, still more of help defense blocker. For a guy his size he might be top 3 fastest 3/4 court sprint for a 3/4 etc. He's got some athleticism.

Like for context Donovan Mitchell ran a 3.01 which is one of the best ever, best in his class that year. Mogbo ran a 3.02. Derrick Rose ran a 3.05.

Wow, with context that is a staggeringly quick time!

[Jerry Lucas]

If he can start stretching out to 3, I can see some Naz Reid in his game

If he actually successfully stretches out to 3, he has way more upside than a Naz Reid. And I like Naz Reid too.