Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET

[babyjax13]

Functionally Cleveland would get to choose between Anthony and Vincent here, I assumed they'd take they cheaper option. Either way I think they receive enough 2nd(s) to dump whoever they receive, so functionally this is Garland for Reaves + salary reduction on their end.

LAL trades: Austin Reaves, D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd
in: Darius Garland
The Lakers get an upgrade at point guard who can be a long-term option next to Davis and reduces their payroll by about $8 million. Another team may need to be added, or more compensation to dump Hayes/Reddish, but I think this gets them under the first apron even with minimum roster charges.

ORL trades: Cole Anthony, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
in: D'Angelo Russell
Orlando gets a player they are rumored to be interested in. Russell works well on and off ball, and should add some complimentary playmaking and shooting to their team.

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Austin Reaves, Gabe Vincent, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
Cleveland gets a starting 2 guard who fits with Mitchell well and offers a nice 3+D presence with complementary playmaking. They also add a bunch of 2nd(s) and cut about $12 million in salaries. They might be able to dump Vincent's contract or upgrade him to someone like Clarkson for some of the 2nds they receive, too.

DET trades: fake 2nd
in: Cole Anthony, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable)
Detroit gets some 2nds and prospects for taking on Anthony's contract.

[DetroitDon15]

Magic need a player who would be more of a pass first guard. I’m not sure Russell fits in that role. He’d probably want to be paid too which doesn’t help the Magic long term with PB needing a deal in the future after Franz just got his. I’ll look past adding for seconds. I’m not seeing an impact going from Anthony to Russell.

[Mr Loggins]

I’d rather just keep Garland than trade him for Reaves and a bunch of 2nds, if I were cleveland

[meatwad4343]

Russell isn't a fit here. We don't add guys who can't play defense, and there isn't a starting spot here. Suggs/kcp is the backcourt here and Paolo runs the offense. The value is decent though just not a good fit. Terrible value for Cleveland though, no way they touch this and no way LA gets garland or much of anything good for that package.

[nzahir]

I think pass....

I like Garland for us, but we need to build on top of our guys, not move a guy like Reaves (unless its for a legit all star)

I trust 3-4 guys to close games for us rn in the playoffs

Bron, AD, Reaves, and maybe Rui in certain matchups

Swapping Garland for Reaves doesnt add another 1-2 guys we need

Assets aren't a lot though, but Garland was also not good in these playoffs and the contract aint cheap

If there is a seperate deal with our 1st outside and that gets us a wing like Cam Johnson, ok now maybe

But can also just keep Reaves and do that

[vege]

That's a pile of poop for Detroit to eat unwanted 26 million over 2 years. Detroit have been selling 1 year of cap space for 2nds, not 2.

I mean, Detroit is a garbage organization, but come on, that's likely 1 good 2nd (our own) 2 late 2nds, and 2 bad prospects to eat Cole Anthony's 2 years contract, and we don't need a player with his skillset, he would be getting minutes from someone else who we want to try to develop.

[Euphonetiks]

Feels like if Orlando wanted DLo, they would’ve let his agent know and then just signed him outright instead of giving up assets for him to help the Lakers.

Feels like this should just be Cleveland and LA: Reaves + Rui + ‘29 1st + ‘30 swap for Garland. Cleveland may demand Knecht too. But at the same time, I don’t think LA should give up all that for Garland.

[louc1970]

Functionally Cleveland would get to choose between Anthony and Vincent here, I assumed they'd take they cheaper option. Either way I think they receive enough 2nd(s) to dump whoever they receive, so functionally this is Garland for Reaves + salary reduction on their end.

LAL trades: Austin Reaves, D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd
in: Darius Garland
The Lakers get an upgrade at point guard who can be a long-term option next to Davis and reduces their payroll by about $8 million. Another team may need to be added, or more compensation to dump Hayes/Reddish, but I think this gets them under the first apron even with minimum roster charges.

ORL trades: Cole Anthony, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
in: D'Angelo Russell
Orlando gets a player they are rumored to be interested in. Russell works well on and off ball, and should add some complimentary playmaking and shooting to their team.

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Austin Reaves, Gabe Vincent, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
Cleveland gets a starting 2 guard who fits with Mitchell well and offers a nice 3+D presence with complementary playmaking. They also add a bunch of 2nd(s) and cut about $12 million in salaries. They might be able to dump Vincent's contract or upgrade him to someone like Clarkson for some of the 2nds they receive, too.

DET trades: fake 2nd
in: Cole Anthony, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable)
Detroit gets some 2nds and prospects for taking on Anthony's contract.

If Cleveland isn’t getting a couple of first, there is no reason to move him. Seconds don’t convince the Cavs.

[babyjax13]

Functionally Cleveland would get to choose between Anthony and Vincent here, I assumed they'd take they cheaper option. Either way I think they receive enough 2nd(s) to dump whoever they receive, so functionally this is Garland for Reaves + salary reduction on their end.

LAL trades: Austin Reaves, D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd
in: Darius Garland
The Lakers get an upgrade at point guard who can be a long-term option next to Davis and reduces their payroll by about $8 million. Another team may need to be added, or more compensation to dump Hayes/Reddish, but I think this gets them under the first apron even with minimum roster charges.

ORL trades: Cole Anthony, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
in: D'Angelo Russell
Orlando gets a player they are rumored to be interested in. Russell works well on and off ball, and should add some complimentary playmaking and shooting to their team.

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Austin Reaves, Gabe Vincent, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
Cleveland gets a starting 2 guard who fits with Mitchell well and offers a nice 3+D presence with complementary playmaking. They also add a bunch of 2nd(s) and cut about $12 million in salaries. They might be able to dump Vincent's contract or upgrade him to someone like Clarkson for some of the 2nds they receive, too.

DET trades: fake 2nd
in: Cole Anthony, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable)
Detroit gets some 2nds and prospects for taking on Anthony's contract.

If Cleveland isn’t getting a couple of first, there is no reason to move him. Seconds don’t convince the Cavs.

I guess I don't see a massive trade value difference between Garland and Reaves. Reaves is on a bargain contract for his production and is at a less saturated position. I also think he's just the perfect fit next to Mitchell. Clearly that's not the consensus here, but if there is enough value to also move Vincent into someone's cap space (San Antonio?) then Cleveland is dropping $20 million in salary. If they have a TPE that would enable them to do a S+T for Miles Bridges, and if you end up with:

Mitchell
Reaves
Bridges
Mobley
Allen

I think that's quite a bit better than keeping Garland?

[tiderulz]

Functionally Cleveland would get to choose between Anthony and Vincent here, I assumed they'd take they cheaper option. Either way I think they receive enough 2nd(s) to dump whoever they receive, so functionally this is Garland for Reaves + salary reduction on their end.

LAL trades: Austin Reaves, D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd
in: Darius Garland
The Lakers get an upgrade at point guard who can be a long-term option next to Davis and reduces their payroll by about $8 million. Another team may need to be added, or more compensation to dump Hayes/Reddish, but I think this gets them under the first apron even with minimum roster charges.

ORL trades: Cole Anthony, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
in: D'Angelo Russell
Orlando gets a player they are rumored to be interested in. Russell works well on and off ball, and should add some complimentary playmaking and shooting to their team.

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Austin Reaves, Gabe Vincent, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
Cleveland gets a starting 2 guard who fits with Mitchell well and offers a nice 3+D presence with complementary playmaking. They also add a bunch of 2nd(s) and cut about $12 million in salaries. They might be able to dump Vincent's contract or upgrade him to someone like Clarkson for some of the 2nds they receive, too.

DET trades: fake 2nd
in: Cole Anthony, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable)
Detroit gets some 2nds and prospects for taking on Anthony's contract.

If Cleveland isn’t getting a couple of first, there is no reason to move him. Seconds don’t convince the Cavs.

I guess I don't see a massive trade value difference between Garland and Reaves. Reaves is on a bargain contract for his production and is at a less saturated position. I also think he's just the perfect fit next to Mitchell. Clearly that's not the consensus here, but if there is enough value to also move Vincent into someone's cap space (San Antonio?) then Cleveland is dropping $20 million in salary. If they have a TPE that would enable them to do a S+T for Miles Bridges, and if you end up with:

Mitchell
Reaves
Bridges
Mobley
Allen

I think that's quite a bit better than keeping Garland?

is SG less saturated than PG?

but I cant see Orlando trading 5 2nd's and Cole for Russell. They already made a decision to move Suggs to PG and got another defender at SG. Russell doesnt know how to play defense.

[babyjax13]

If Cleveland isn’t getting a couple of first, there is no reason to move him. Seconds don’t convince the Cavs.

I guess I don't see a massive trade value difference between Garland and Reaves. Reaves is on a bargain contract for his production and is at a less saturated position. I also think he's just the perfect fit next to Mitchell. Clearly that's not the consensus here, but if there is enough value to also move Vincent into someone's cap space (San Antonio?) then Cleveland is dropping $20 million in salary. If they have a TPE that would enable them to do a S+T for Miles Bridges, and if you end up with:

Mitchell
Reaves
Bridges
Mobley
Allen

I think that's quite a bit better than keeping Garland?

is SG less saturated than PG?

but I cant see Orlando trading 5 2nd's and Cole for Russell. They already made a decision to move Suggs to PG and got another defender at SG. Russell doesnt know how to play defense.

That makes complete sense. My other thought for a destination was San Antonio. But yes, I think shooting guard is way less saturated than point guard.

[theBigLip]

That's a pile of poop for Detroit to eat unwanted 26 million over 2 years. Detroit have been selling 1 year of cap space for 2nds, not 2.

I mean, Detroit is a garbage organization, but come on, that's likely 1 good 2nd (our own) 2 late 2nds, and 2 bad prospects to eat Cole Anthony's 2 years contract, and we don't need a player with his skillset, he would be getting minutes from someone else who we want to try to develop.

Agreed. And at this point, a lot of the excess cap space has already been spent. Seems like it should be more valuable now that cap-strapped teams are still struggling to get trades done.

[Presser]

Garland for reeves and we have to take Vincent.

Nah I’d rather see cavs hold garland maybe move him at the deadline

[jbk1234]

Functionally Cleveland would get to choose between Anthony and Vincent here, I assumed they'd take they cheaper option. Either way I think they receive enough 2nd(s) to dump whoever they receive, so functionally this is Garland for Reaves + salary reduction on their end.

LAL trades: Austin Reaves, D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd
in: Darius Garland
The Lakers get an upgrade at point guard who can be a long-term option next to Davis and reduces their payroll by about $8 million. Another team may need to be added, or more compensation to dump Hayes/Reddish, but I think this gets them under the first apron even with minimum roster charges.

ORL trades: Cole Anthony, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
in: D'Angelo Russell
Orlando gets a player they are rumored to be interested in. Russell works well on and off ball, and should add some complimentary playmaking and shooting to their team.

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Austin Reaves, Gabe Vincent, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
Cleveland gets a starting 2 guard who fits with Mitchell well and offers a nice 3+D presence with complementary playmaking. They also add a bunch of 2nd(s) and cut about $12 million in salaries. They might be able to dump Vincent's contract or upgrade him to someone like Clarkson for some of the 2nds they receive, too.

DET trades: fake 2nd
in: Cole Anthony, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable)
Detroit gets some 2nds and prospects for taking on Anthony's contract.

If Cleveland isn’t getting a couple of first, there is no reason to move him. Seconds don’t convince the Cavs.

I guess I don't see a massive trade value difference between Garland and Reaves. Reaves is on a bargain contract for his production and is at a less saturated position. I also think he's just the perfect fit next to Mitchell. Clearly that's not the consensus here, but if there is enough value to also move Vincent into someone's cap space (San Antonio?) then Cleveland is dropping $20 million in salary. If they have a TPE that would enable them to do a S+T for Miles Bridges, and if you end up with:

Mitchell
Reaves
Bridges
Mobley
Allen

I think that's quite a bit better than keeping Garland?

No one 1-3 in that lineup is terribly good at defense, which happens to be pretty important once the playoffs roll around.

[orlando_joe]

as others have noted magic will want nothing to do with this...just me but i fully expect cole to have a season more like his 22/23 season maybe better

[babyjax13]

If Cleveland isn’t getting a couple of first, there is no reason to move him. Seconds don’t convince the Cavs.

I guess I don't see a massive trade value difference between Garland and Reaves. Reaves is on a bargain contract for his production and is at a less saturated position. I also think he's just the perfect fit next to Mitchell. Clearly that's not the consensus here, but if there is enough value to also move Vincent into someone's cap space (San Antonio?) then Cleveland is dropping $20 million in salary. If they have a TPE that would enable them to do a S+T for Miles Bridges, and if you end up with:

Mitchell
Reaves
Bridges
Mobley
Allen

I think that's quite a bit better than keeping Garland?

No one 1-3 in that lineup is terribly good at defense, which happens to be pretty important once the playoffs roll around.

I think Mitchell's defense will look better at point guard, Reaves is an average to slightly above average defender, and Bridges is a bit below average. With Mobley and Allen, I think the personnel on the perimeter would be athletic enough to adequately rotate and provide perimeter resistance so that Mobley and Allen can be maximized on the interior. I think it's as good of a defensive lineup as Clevelend's starting five last season b/c no longer is it extremely undersized in the backcourt.

[jbk1234]

I guess I don't see a massive trade value difference between Garland and Reaves. Reaves is on a bargain contract for his production and is at a less saturated position. I also think he's just the perfect fit next to Mitchell. Clearly that's not the consensus here, but if there is enough value to also move Vincent into someone's cap space (San Antonio?) then Cleveland is dropping $20 million in salary. If they have a TPE that would enable them to do a S+T for Miles Bridges, and if you end up with:

Mitchell
Reaves
Bridges
Mobley
Allen

I think that's quite a bit better than keeping Garland?

No one 1-3 in that lineup is terribly good at defense, which happens to be pretty important once the playoffs roll around.

I think Mitchell's defense will look better at point guard, Reaves is an average to slightly above average defender, and Bridges is a bit below average. With Mobley and Allen, I think the personnel on the perimeter would be athletic enough to adequately rotate and provide perimeter resistance so that Mobley and Allen can be maximized on the interior. I think it's as good of a defensive lineup as Clevelend's starting five last season b/c no longer is it extremely undersized in the backcourt.

I don't agree with your assessment of Reaves defense and I don't think it matters if teams hunt Garland or Bridges.

[Boneman2]

LA does not have enough assets to obtain Garland, especially considering they are attaching Russell as he only reduces the overall value.

[toooskies]

Selling Garland for another team's discards isn't going to happen.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

What makes garland an upgrade? I done see this board try to sell sexton and garland as Dlo upgrades when they are in the same tier of guards.

Just don’t see the angle. Garland struggled in playoffs ? Dlo makes half his money. Better shooter. Comparable play maker.