LAL/UTA/OKC. Lakers Go All in and Keep Reaves?

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Re: LAL/UTA/OKC. Lakers Go All in and Keep Reaves? 

Post#21 » by AingesBurner » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:28 am

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babyjax13 wrote:I don't value Knecht or JHS much and wouldn't trade Lauri for the first outright pick return to be in 2029.


Is there a package for Lauri that you'd accept from Lakers without giving up LeBron or Davis?


I was thinking Reaves and unprotecting 2027 FRP as a base. Then would add 2029 and 2031 unprotected FRPs


Not enough for Utah. GSW could beat that.
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Post#22 » by zimpy27 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:36 am

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babyjax13 wrote:I don't value Knecht or JHS much and wouldn't trade Lauri for the first outright pick return to be in 2029.


Is there a package for Lauri that you'd accept from Lakers without giving up LeBron or Davis?


I was thinking Reaves and unprotecting 2027 FRP as a base. Then would add 2029 and 2031 unprotected FRPs


Not enough for Utah. GSW could beat that.


What would GSW offer be?
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Post#23 » by AingesBurner » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:48 am

zimpy27 wrote:
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Is there a package for Lauri that you'd accept from Lakers without giving up LeBron or Davis?


I was thinking Reaves and unprotecting 2027 FRP as a base. Then would add 2029 and 2031 unprotected FRPs


Not enough for Utah. GSW could beat that.


What would GSW offer be?


Kuminga, Podz, 2 unprotected firsts, 1 that is protected 20-30 so Utah would get 1-19, and 3 unprotected swaps.
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Post#24 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 3:01 am

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Not enough for Utah. GSW could beat that.


What would GSW offer be?


Kuminga, Podz, 2 unprotected firsts, 1 that is protected 20-30 so Utah would get 1-19, and 3 unprotected swaps.

I doubt that is Golden State's offer.
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Post#25 » by zimpy27 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 3:08 am

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Not enough for Utah. GSW could beat that.


What would GSW offer be?


Kuminga, Podz, 2 unprotected firsts, 1 that is protected 20-30 so Utah would get 1-19, and 3 unprotected swaps.


Yeah that is better. That's a lot
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Post#26 » by Devilanche » Sat Jul 6, 2024 3:33 am

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Not enough for Utah. GSW could beat that.


What would GSW offer be?


Kuminga, Podz, 2 unprotected firsts, 1 that is protected 20-30 so Utah would get 1-19, and 3 unprotected swaps.

That’s the offer from a GSW fan point of view ?
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Post#27 » by AingesBurner » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:05 am

babyjax13 wrote:
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What would GSW offer be?


Kuminga, Podz, 2 unprotected firsts, 1 that is protected 20-30 so Utah would get 1-19, and 3 unprotected swaps.

I doubt that is Golden State's offer.


We don’t need to trade him so that’s the offer that we would need.
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Post#28 » by AingesBurner » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:06 am

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zimpy27 wrote:
What would GSW offer be?


Kuminga, Podz, 2 unprotected firsts, 1 that is protected 20-30 so Utah would get 1-19, and 3 unprotected swaps.

That’s the offer from a GSW fan point of view ?


Not a GSW fan but that is what Utah would need.
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Post#29 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:11 am

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Kuminga, Podz, 2 unprotected firsts, 1 that is protected 20-30 so Utah would get 1-19, and 3 unprotected swaps.

That’s the offer from a GSW fan point of view ?


Not a GSW fan but that is what Utah would need.

I disagree. I'd rather have all of Golden State's pick capital if they were to get back their pick from Washington than have Kuminga. He's a nice player but due an extension relatively soon and I'm not convinced he's worth investing in when we just drafted two lottery picks at his positions. I'd rather give them some time and bring the team around slowly.
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Post#30 » by Devilanche » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:17 am

babyjax13 wrote:
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Devilanche wrote:That’s the offer from a GSW fan point of view ?


Not a GSW fan but that is what Utah would need.

I disagree. I'd rather have all of Golden State's pick capital if they were to get back their pick from Washington than have Kuminga. He's a nice player but due an extension relatively soon and I'm not convinced he's worth investing in when we just drafted two lottery picks at his positions. I'd rather give them some time and bring the team around slowly.

Yea yours is probably more realistic.
GSW build around Lauri and Kuminga while Utah have Podz and hope to get lucky with the picks.

Not sure if GSW will offer the rest of the package minus Kuminga though.
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Re: LAL/UTA/OKC. Lakers Go All in and Keep Reaves? 

Post#31 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:22 am

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babyjax13 wrote:
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Not a GSW fan but that is what Utah would need.

I disagree. I'd rather have all of Golden State's pick capital if they were to get back their pick from Washington than have Kuminga. He's a nice player but due an extension relatively soon and I'm not convinced he's worth investing in when we just drafted two lottery picks at his positions. I'd rather give them some time and bring the team around slowly.

Yea yours is probably more realistic.
GSW build around Lauri and Kuminga while Utah have Podz and hope to get lucky with the picks.

Not sure if GSW will offer the rest of the package minus Kuminga though.


I like Podz, but we have a million guard prospects. I want Golden State to get that pick back and send us all the unprotected picks they can + swaps that we can actually exercise (i.e., swaps where we can swap owed picks for Golden State's picks). I want to completely own Golden State's draft capital from 2025 to 2030 (or, preferably, until 2031). To get the most out of swaps that means they should send us their picks in 2026, 2028, and 2030 with swap options in 2025 and 2027 (and ... you know ... preferably 2029 and 2031, but that's probably too much). We should be able to swap the worst pick we own in 2025 and 2027 for Golden State's.
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Re: LAL/UTA/OKC. Lakers Go All in and Keep Reaves? 

Post#32 » by AingesBurner » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:24 am

babyjax13 wrote:
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Devilanche wrote:That’s the offer from a GSW fan point of view ?


Not a GSW fan but that is what Utah would need.

I disagree. I'd rather have all of Golden State's pick capital if they were to get back their pick from Washington than have Kuminga. He's a nice player but due an extension relatively soon and I'm not convinced he's worth investing in when we just drafted two lottery picks at his positions. I'd rather give them some time and bring the team around slowly.


Those picks have no value if they keep Kuminga. Sweep the leg.
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Post#33 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:27 am

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Not a GSW fan but that is what Utah would need.

I disagree. I'd rather have all of Golden State's pick capital if they were to get back their pick from Washington than have Kuminga. He's a nice player but due an extension relatively soon and I'm not convinced he's worth investing in when we just drafted two lottery picks at his positions. I'd rather give them some time and bring the team around slowly.


Those picks have no value if they keep Kuminga. Sweep the leg.

I think you have really strange faith in Kuminga to be the caliber of player he is extremely unlikely to be.
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Re: LAL/UTA/OKC. Lakers Go All in and Keep Reaves? 

Post#34 » by AingesBurner » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:28 am

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babyjax13 wrote:I disagree. I'd rather have all of Golden State's pick capital if they were to get back their pick from Washington than have Kuminga. He's a nice player but due an extension relatively soon and I'm not convinced he's worth investing in when we just drafted two lottery picks at his positions. I'd rather give them some time and bring the team around slowly.


Those picks have no value if they keep Kuminga. Sweep the leg.

I think you have really strange faith in Kuminga to be the caliber of player he is extremely unlikely to be.


I don’t have faith at all but he’s an asset to flip and if he does hit, he’s not on the Warriors roster.
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Post#35 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:47 am

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Those picks have no value if they keep Kuminga. Sweep the leg.

I think you have really strange faith in Kuminga to be the caliber of player he is extremely unlikely to be.


I don’t have faith at all but he’s an asset to flip and if he does hit, he’s not on the Warriors roster.

If you don't have faith you should prefer picks.
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Re: LAL/UTA/OKC. Lakers Go All in and Keep Reaves? 

Post#36 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:48 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:Lauri is a perfect type of player for LA. Strangely, LA never seems to go for players that fit with LeBron well.

Perfect fit for lebron are spot up shooters. Doesn’t make sense to pay a premium for any player and then reduce his role to standing at the 3 point line and waiting.

Can find spot up shooters for cheaper than two unprotected picks.
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Re: LAL/UTA/OKC. Lakers Go All in and Keep Reaves? 

Post#37 » by AingesBurner » Sat Jul 6, 2024 5:47 am

babyjax13 wrote:
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babyjax13 wrote:I think you have really strange faith in Kuminga to be the caliber of player he is extremely unlikely to be.


I don’t have faith at all but he’s an asset to flip and if he does hit, he’s not on the Warriors roster.

If you don't have faith you should prefer picks.


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Post#38 » by babyjax13 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:18 am

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I don’t have faith at all but he’s an asset to flip and if he does hit, he’s not on the Warriors roster.

If you don't have faith you should prefer picks.


I want it all.

I realize that. It's why your trade valuations are so inconsistent with the board, and, IMO, any semblance of reality.
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Post#39 » by AingesBurner » Sat Jul 6, 2024 1:27 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
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babyjax13 wrote:If you don't have faith you should prefer picks.


I want it all.

I realize that. It's why your trade valuations are so inconsistent with the board, and, IMO, any semblance of reality.


It’s funny because you say that then I see my trades or variations of my trades actually happen. It’s why my trades are usually realistic and yours are here to get yesses from the T&T board. Every time you post a trade for the Jazz, every single Jazz fan goes not enough. You’re trying to win a popularity contest and I could care less.

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