Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET

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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#21 » by Skybox » Sat Jul 6, 2024 9:18 am

Pile of stuff for everyone but LA…no thanks from the rest. ORL & CLE actually want to compete too.

If ORL wanted Russell, they would have signed him a week ago.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#22 » by axeman23 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:47 am

Euphonetiks wrote:Feels like if Orlando wanted DLo, they would’ve let his agent know and then just signed him outright instead of giving up assets for him to help the Lakers.

Feels like this should just be Cleveland and LA: Reaves + Rui + ‘29 1st + ‘30 swap for Garland. Cleveland may demand Knecht too. But at the same time, I don’t think LA should give up all that for Garland.


I'd ask for Knecht, but drop either the swap or change it from a 1st & a swap to 2 consecutive swap options if we still have a 29 1st TO swap... Knecht is a lot more useful on Mitchell/Allens timeline than a 1st five years from now.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#23 » by louc1970 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 12:47 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
louc1970 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Functionally Cleveland would get to choose between Anthony and Vincent here, I assumed they'd take they cheaper option. Either way I think they receive enough 2nd(s) to dump whoever they receive, so functionally this is Garland for Reaves + salary reduction on their end.

LAL trades: Austin Reaves, D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd
in: Darius Garland
The Lakers get an upgrade at point guard who can be a long-term option next to Davis and reduces their payroll by about $8 million. Another team may need to be added, or more compensation to dump Hayes/Reddish, but I think this gets them under the first apron even with minimum roster charges.

ORL trades: Cole Anthony, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
in: D'Angelo Russell
Orlando gets a player they are rumored to be interested in. Russell works well on and off ball, and should add some complimentary playmaking and shooting to their team.

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Austin Reaves, Gabe Vincent, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
Cleveland gets a starting 2 guard who fits with Mitchell well and offers a nice 3+D presence with complementary playmaking. They also add a bunch of 2nd(s) and cut about $12 million in salaries. They might be able to dump Vincent's contract or upgrade him to someone like Clarkson for some of the 2nds they receive, too.

DET trades: fake 2nd
in: Cole Anthony, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable)
Detroit gets some 2nds and prospects for taking on Anthony's contract.

If Cleveland isn’t getting a couple of first, there is no reason to move him. Seconds don’t convince the Cavs.

I guess I don't see a massive trade value difference between Garland and Reaves. Reaves is on a bargain contract for his production and is at a less saturated position. I also think he's just the perfect fit next to Mitchell. Clearly that's not the consensus here, but if there is enough value to also move Vincent into someone's cap space (San Antonio?) then Cleveland is dropping $20 million in salary. If they have a TPE that would enable them to do a S+T for Miles Bridges, and if you end up with:

Mitchell
Reaves
Bridges
Mobley
Allen

I think that's quite a bit better than keeping Garland?

Really don’t see a difference?
Garland is an All-Star one year removed. Reaves is a role player who had a bunch of hype but no substance.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#24 » by Mr Loggins » Sat Jul 6, 2024 1:17 pm

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:What makes garland an upgrade? I done see this board try to sell sexton and garland as Dlo upgrades when they are in the same tier of guards.

Just don’t see the angle. Garland struggled in playoffs ? Dlo makes half his money. Better shooter. Comparable play maker.



I think many view Garland as the player he was the two years prior, rather than this past season which was marred by the broken jaw injury which resulted in him losing quite a bit of weight and conditioning mid season

and while Garland struggled this postseason, his 42.7 and 35.6 shooting splits were still quite a bit better than Dlo's 38.0 and 31.0. I won't dignify the assertion that they are comparable playmakers with a response.

And then lastly, Garland is 24, Dlo is 28.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#25 » by bgrep14 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 1:28 pm

Easy no from Cleveland
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#26 » by kobe_vs_jordan » Sat Jul 6, 2024 2:19 pm

Mr Loggins wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:What makes garland an upgrade? I done see this board try to sell sexton and garland as Dlo upgrades when they are in the same tier of guards.

Just don’t see the angle. Garland struggled in playoffs ? Dlo makes half his money. Better shooter. Comparable play maker.



I think many view Garland as the player he was the two years prior, rather than this past season which was marred by the broken jaw injury which resulted in him losing quite a bit of weight and conditioning mid season

and while Garland struggled this postseason, his 42.7 and 35.6 shooting splits were still quite a bit better than Dlo's 38.0 and 31.0. I won't dignify the assertion that they are comparable playmakers with a response.

And then lastly, Garland is 24, Dlo is 28.


Lebron 40. 28 just fine here.

Imo, Dlo could be a 21/ 7 player if he wasn’t playing behind AD and Lebron. I imagine Garland as a laker getting his role heavy reduced in a similar manner.

I say comparable because Garland the better play maker but he isn’t two tiers better than Dlo in that department.

In short, i think Dlo on an 18 million contract is better than a marginal upgrade on 36 million. While losing reaves and picks in the processs
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#27 » by DowJones » Sat Jul 6, 2024 3:20 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
louc1970 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Functionally Cleveland would get to choose between Anthony and Vincent here, I assumed they'd take they cheaper option. Either way I think they receive enough 2nd(s) to dump whoever they receive, so functionally this is Garland for Reaves + salary reduction on their end.

LAL trades: Austin Reaves, D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd
in: Darius Garland
The Lakers get an upgrade at point guard who can be a long-term option next to Davis and reduces their payroll by about $8 million. Another team may need to be added, or more compensation to dump Hayes/Reddish, but I think this gets them under the first apron even with minimum roster charges.

ORL trades: Cole Anthony, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
in: D'Angelo Russell
Orlando gets a player they are rumored to be interested in. Russell works well on and off ball, and should add some complimentary playmaking and shooting to their team.

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Austin Reaves, Gabe Vincent, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
Cleveland gets a starting 2 guard who fits with Mitchell well and offers a nice 3+D presence with complementary playmaking. They also add a bunch of 2nd(s) and cut about $12 million in salaries. They might be able to dump Vincent's contract or upgrade him to someone like Clarkson for some of the 2nds they receive, too.

DET trades: fake 2nd
in: Cole Anthony, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable)
Detroit gets some 2nds and prospects for taking on Anthony's contract.

If Cleveland isn’t getting a couple of first, there is no reason to move him. Seconds don’t convince the Cavs.

I guess I don't see a massive trade value difference between Garland and Reaves. Reaves is on a bargain contract for his production and is at a less saturated position. I also think he's just the perfect fit next to Mitchell. Clearly that's not the consensus here, but if there is enough value to also move Vincent into someone's cap space (San Antonio?) then Cleveland is dropping $20 million in salary. If they have a TPE that would enable them to do a S+T for Miles Bridges, and if you end up with:

Mitchell
Reaves
Bridges
Mobley
Allen

I think that's quite a bit better than keeping Garland?


22ppg
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46-41-86 shooting splits

That was what Darius Garland did in his first year with Mitchell. While he didn't make an All-Star team, those are still All-Star numbers. Remember that Cleveland was a 51 win team that year. Darius had a down year, but his upside is much higher than Reaves. Cleveland is better off rehabbing Darius' value than selling this low.

Rui/Reaves/Knecht/2029 first is what I would want from LA for Darius. Cleveland can then package that 2029 first with Niang/LeVert for Cam Johnson.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#28 » by patman66 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 3:38 pm

I think the add of KCP addresses the backcourt needs of the Magic.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#29 » by brackdan70 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 3:50 pm

babyjax13 wrote:Functionally Cleveland would get to choose between Anthony and Vincent here, I assumed they'd take they cheaper option. Either way I think they receive enough 2nd(s) to dump whoever they receive, so functionally this is Garland for Reaves + salary reduction on their end.

LAL trades: Austin Reaves, D'Angelo Russell, Gabe Vincent, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd
in: Darius Garland
The Lakers get an upgrade at point guard who can be a long-term option next to Davis and reduces their payroll by about $8 million. Another team may need to be added, or more compensation to dump Hayes/Reddish, but I think this gets them under the first apron even with minimum roster charges.

ORL trades: Cole Anthony, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
in: D'Angelo Russell
Orlando gets a player they are rumored to be interested in. Russell works well on and off ball, and should add some complimentary playmaking and shooting to their team.

CLE trades: Darius Garland
in: Austin Reaves, Gabe Vincent, 2025 BOS/MEM 2nd (less favorable), 2027 BOS 2nd, 2028 WAS/LAL 2nd (most favorable)
Cleveland gets a starting 2 guard who fits with Mitchell well and offers a nice 3+D presence with complementary playmaking. They also add a bunch of 2nd(s) and cut about $12 million in salaries. They might be able to dump Vincent's contract or upgrade him to someone like Clarkson for some of the 2nds they receive, too.

DET trades: fake 2nd
in: Cole Anthony, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Maxwell Lewis, 2025 LAC 2nd, 2026 ORL/DET/MIL 2nd(s) (two most favorable)
Detroit gets some 2nds and prospects for taking on Anthony's contract.

A lot to digest there. I think it’s pretty reasonable for the teams involved . The one question/ or thought is are theses seconds enough for Detroit to help FACILITATE.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#30 » by Whole Truth » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:02 pm

One of the main reasons Lakers don't want to trade Reeves is his contract/production level. It's not purely a talent standpoint.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#31 » by mg » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:13 pm

The market for these big contract, small one way guards is ice cold right now. It doesn't make sense to pay north of $40 mil per season (30-35% of your cap) for players such as Trae and Garland who will 100% get hunted in the playoffs. Garland is still a really nice RS player. If I were Cavs I'd try to deal him for Kuzma+ big wing types that can provide similar scoring while adding size next to Donovan. Someone like Trey Murphy would be the ideal but there's no way the Pels are trading him.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#32 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:22 pm

Based on the most recent reporting, it sounds like Klutch got out in front of their client with that trade request, and Garland was non-plussed about it. Long story short, there presently isn't a mechanism in place that can force the Cavs to sell low on Garland. If Klutch gets out in front of Darius again, there's a non-zero chance they get fired.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: Garland to the Lakers w/ORL and DET 

Post#33 » by jbk1234 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 4:25 pm

mg wrote:The market for these big contract, small one way guards is ice cold right now. It doesn't make sense to pay north of $40 mil per season (30-35% of your cap) for players such as Trae and Garland who will 100% get hunted in the playoffs. Garland is still a really nice RS player. If I were Cavs I'd try to deal him for Kuzma+ big wing types that can provide similar scoring while adding size next to Donovan. Someone like Trey Murphy would be the ideal but there's no way the Pels are trading him.


Garland was responsible for the Cavs only win against the Kincks. The idea that he's a net negative in the playoffs isn't accurate. There are playoff games where that's been true, but that could also be said of any player, even Mitchell. There have been multiple playoff games where Garland has been the best Cav on the floor.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.

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