2024 Offseason Thread

[Moose]

sounds like he's a few steps below Kessler, except he can hit FTs.

Pretty accurate. Far more athletic than Kessler as well - runs the floor well - but, yeah, would take Kessler over Richards (and by board standards I'm pro-Richards). Nick is always good for a couple of dopey moments every game.

Thanks. This is how I saw it based on the little I researched.

Appreciate it.

[JustBuzzin]

There's a weak rumor saying we have interest in Ingram
Would have to be a miles s/t
Not putting much stock into this

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Yeah Amico is not reliable at all.

[JustBuzzin]

Just to entertain it tho Bridges/Bertans for Ingram and we agree on a long-term contract below the max I would love that.

We have our own version of Brown/Tatum with Miller/Ingram. Melo running the show at PG.

I think "if healthy" that's a trio we could build a legit contender around for years to come.

[MasterIchiro]

Spurs resurface again in rumors for highly-sought players, first Lauri, now Ingram. Must be nice to go bjg-game hunting fresh off your franchise bedrock's very first season.

Miles doesn't work through Spurs, and SA controls our 2025 1st outside the lottery. Spurs seem to have to move Keldon Johnson who should be on our radar as a fallback to Miles leaving for nothing or something.

[amcoolio]

Ingram is gross. There's a reason the Pelicans are always paper tigers and then do nothing as the 8th seed in the playoffs every year. I don't want his injury ass self. Would rather have DeRozan or Garland

[JDR720]

I don't believe it. He's basically Brandon, and hopefully a worse version of him sooner rather than later.

Don't know why'd we want to have him.

[amcoolio]

Wagner max is interesting and has me thinking. Teams can only really afford two rookie max contracts at once, now Magic are locked in with Banchero and Wagner, and ours will probably be taken by Brandon and LaMelo. Toronto is in a tricky situation with Barnes and Quickley on an almost max, that's by far the worst combo of rookie max in the league. What happens if you draft a third player that requires a rookie max? You are basically at the first apron already with 3 players. I wonder if teams secretly hope third options that are drafted are more role player than star so they don't have to pay a 3rd rookie max.

[JustBuzzin]

I don't believe it. He's basically Brandon, and hopefully a worse version of him sooner rather than later.

Don't know why'd we want to have him.

I mean the only thing that concerns me is his injury history.

You say he's another Brandon, but isn't that actually a good problem to have?

2 wings who can create their own offense and Ingram is actually a better playmaker. I actually love the fit with Melo at PG. That's 3 guys who can get you 20+ a night. Surround them with some defenders and shooters and I think we have a possible contender down the line.

Pelicans struggled because they never had a true pg. Ingram would have that in Charlotte. I think he would be much better here then he was in New Orleans. The injury history is my only question with Ingram.

[JDR720]

Wagner max is interesting and has me thinking. Teams can only really afford two rookie max contracts at once, now Magic are locked in with Banchero and Wagner, and ours will probably be taken by Brandon and LaMelo. Toronto is in a tricky situation with Barnes and Quickley on an almost max, that's by far the worst combo of rookie max in the league. What happens if you draft a third player that requires a rookie max? You are basically at the first apron already with 3 players. I wonder if teams secretly hope third options that are drafted are more role player than star so they don't have to pay a 3rd rookie max.

I think it'll force teams to not hand out rookie maxes left and right. Let's be honest, most of these players aren't max level players.

We're also going to have more situations like Miles and PJ, not being signed because nobody has cap space.

[MPM]

Wagner max is insane. Just insane.

[SWedd523]

Wagner max is interesting and has me thinking. Teams can only really afford two rookie max contracts at once, now Magic are locked in with Banchero and Wagner, and ours will probably be taken by Brandon and LaMelo. Toronto is in a tricky situation with Barnes and Quickley on an almost max, that's by far the worst combo of rookie max in the league. What happens if you draft a third player that requires a rookie max? You are basically at the first apron already with 3 players. I wonder if teams secretly hope third options that are drafted are more role player than star so they don't have to pay a 3rd rookie max.

I might be crazy but I thought there was some rule limiting the amount of max contracts each team was allowed to give out

[MasterIchiro]

The counter perspective is that when you're paying rookie max money to 3 players your talent at the top ("Big 3") is generating playoff revenue for a fraction of the cost of max and supermax vets like Paul George.

The Celtics are 2nd apron (or 1st?). They paid Tatum and Brown who together earned a third option Porzingis who makes 29 and 4th option Jrue who makes 30. Then how much does D. White get?

You have to spend money to make money in any business. And you won't hear me crying poor on behalf of hedge fund managers who own majority share in an NBA team.

It's theoretically efficient spending if you can build around 3 young rookie max guys. It's a damn good problem to have. Contracts like Josh Green's can become super valuable.

Teams will (and should) check spending on these role players who vow to be paid like stars.

We put PJ in his place. Hopefully we can do the same with Miles. And hopefully Brandon and Salaun earn rookie max contracts. That will mean they panned out and can improve still.

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Caleb Martin to sixers for way less money than heat offered.

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[HornetJail]

(pending front=loaded/back-loaded contract)

Age / Amount Signed for / Amount offered
29 / 8M / 7M
30 / 8M / 13M
31 / 8M / 13M
32 / 8M / 13M
33 / N/A / 13M
34 / N/A / 13M

Not ideal Caleb, not ideal.

[Bassman]

(pending front=loaded/back-loaded contract)

Age / Amount Signed for / Amount offered
29 / 8M / 7M
30 / 8M / 13M
31 / 8M / 13M
32 / 8M / 13M
33 / N/A / 13M
34 / N/A / 13M

Not ideal Caleb, not ideal.

WOW…Caleb says he’s betting on the Sixers, and can’t blame him. Heat are struggling to stay in the hunt despite a strong coach and organization.

AND…the Pistons, flush with money, grab Bucks FA Malik Beasley on a 1 year $8M deal.

[JDR720]

He isn't really betting on the 76ers, he thought he'd get more money than the Heat offered and... well he didn't.

[SWedd523]

I do like the market kind of self correcting some of these guys who think they need to be paid paid

"You're not that guy pal"

[JDR720]

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Looks like we have to Waive Bertans... or renounce Miles to have space to complete the Graham trade.

[MasterIchiro]

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Looks like we have to Waive Bertans... or renounce Miles to have space to complete the Graham trade.

False equivalence.

Bertans has value at 11 million cap savings. Miles is worth more than his own cap hold at 15.

You're talking about choosing Bertans over Miles just because you want to save 4 million dollars.

You really think Bertans has a value comparable to Miles within 4 million annually?

[Liver_Pooty]

Can't find the Bertans thread, but we waived him.