Around The NBA : 2023-24 Season #3

[CROBulls]

Franz in my opinion is overrated as hell, especially by Bulls fans because he was drafted with our pick. He shouldn’t be getting max money, but the Magic had no choice. That’s not to say he isn’t a good player, but I feel he is who is, and will likely be a Rashard Lewis type at his absolute best.

I will gladly flip Lavine for Franz is one year when Magic realize they gonna pay Suggs and Banchero too and Suggs start outproducing Franz. We just need to keep Lavine. Magic is getting to extend and pay territory for their young players.

They gonna need to flip one of them because they gonna get in position where they cannot pay 3 max contracts for non All-Star, and still pay 9-10 more guys on roster. You can say what you want about Lavine but he produced at All-Star level. Opportunity will come.

Maybe not for Franz, but there gonna be team and player in league in year from now.

This is why I want get rid of Coby White now with 2 more years on a deal. This is kind of money White is gonna ask. Ship him out now and flip him for something.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Franz in my opinion is overrated as hell, especially by Bulls fans because he was drafted with our pick. He shouldn’t be getting max money, but the Magic had no choice. That’s not to say he isn’t a good player, but I feel he is who is, and will likely be a Rashard Lewis type at his absolute best.

The league in my opinion has the scale broken but more so at the very top.

I think the intension was the best of the best make the most money. But it's never worked out that way. Now it a warped scale to where teams that value their top player, feel obligated to give them the max available.

So now basically any all-star is a max player.
Any good fringe all-star player also gets a max or near max.

We all recognize there are levels to this, but it doesn't matter. They all get paid the same.

[MrSparkle]

It is nice when the promising young dynasty teams (dynasty with green font) start paying their guys, and all of a sudden it's back to reality.

[jc23]

I always found that being a fan is easiest when the team is young and has little expectations. As the players get paid all that changes.

[nomorezorro]

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we should be all over this with our remaining money imo

[FriedRise]

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we should be all over this with our remaining money imo

Makes sense since they just signed Drummond.

Yeah I agree that we could use another center, but I feel like a lot of our cap flexibility is tied up on the DeMar/Zach deals we're trying to make. Some other team is gonna offer him a deal faster than we can.

[Ben]

I just posted this in the PF thread, but I want Reed on the Bulls. Bring back DePaul’s B-Ball Paul!

[Jvaughn]

Evan Fournier pulled a Lateral Sprewell on Schroeder

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[CROBulls]

Fournier is dumbass. Move like that means knockout on street.

[ChiefILL53]

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we should be all over this with our remaining money imo

Solid option for an actual starting PF

EDIT: Getting choked out by Evan Fournier is CRAZY lmao. He wanna be CM Punk so bad

[DuckIII]

It is nice when the promising young dynasty teams (dynasty with green font) start paying their guys, and all of a sudden it's back to reality.

Orlando has a young core in place that can contend in the East. They can’t afford to be cheap and lose them. Someone else would give Franz that same deal whether he “deserves it” or not. That’s the math Orlando has to deal with.

In their specific situation they really didn’t have a choice.

[dice]

It is nice when the promising young dynasty teams (dynasty with green font) start paying their guys, and all of a sudden it's back to reality.

Orlando has a young core in place that can contend in the East. They can’t afford to be cheap and lose them. Someone else would give Franz that same deal whether he “deserves it” or not. That’s the math Orlando has to deal with.

In their specific situation they really didn’t have a choice.

a specific situation that involves being a small market that would love locking in a playoff appearance for a few seasons

[DuckIII]

It is nice when the promising young dynasty teams (dynasty with green font) start paying their guys, and all of a sudden it's back to reality.

Orlando has a young core in place that can contend in the East. They can’t afford to be cheap and lose them. Someone else would give Franz that same deal whether he “deserves it” or not. That’s the math Orlando has to deal with.

In their specific situation they really didn’t have a choice.

a specific situation that involves being a small market that would love locking in a playoff appearance for a few seasons

Right. And not just an appearance. This team has the pieces in place to become an Eastern Conference contender. They have to keep them.

[Chi town]

It is nice when the promising young dynasty teams (dynasty with green font) start paying their guys, and all of a sudden it's back to reality.

Orlando has a young core in place that can contend in the East. They can’t afford to be cheap and lose them. Someone else would give Franz that same deal whether he “deserves it” or not. That’s the math Orlando has to deal with.

In their specific situation they really didn’t have a choice.

I like the Magic but they are a first option or an incredible 3pt shooter away from contending. 3pt shooting will be their Achilles. If Paulo and Franz can get there from 3 I’d be a believer.

[Indomitable]

It is nice when the promising young dynasty teams (dynasty with green font) start paying their guys, and all of a sudden it's back to reality.

Orlando has a young core in place that can contend in the East. They can’t afford to be cheap and lose them. Someone else would give Franz that same deal whether he “deserves it” or not. That’s the math Orlando has to deal with.

In their specific situation they really didn’t have a choice.

I like the Magic but they are a first option or an incredible 3pt shooter away from contending. 3pt shooting will be their Achilles. If Paulo and Franz can get there from 3 I’d be a believer.

Is that not the reason for the KCP over pay.

[jc23]

Fournier is dumbass. Move like that means knockout on street.

or freak in the sheets.

[Chi town]

Orlando has a young core in place that can contend in the East. They can’t afford to be cheap and lose them. Someone else would give Franz that same deal whether he “deserves it” or not. That’s the math Orlando has to deal with.

In their specific situation they really didn’t have a choice.

I like the Magic but they are a first option or an incredible 3pt shooter away from contending. 3pt shooting will be their Achilles. If Paulo and Franz can get there from 3 I’d be a believer.

Is that not the reason for the KCP over pay.

KCP not nearly enough. Suggs has made some big gains in volume and %. Would need the same from Franz and Paulo

[DuckIII]

It is nice when the promising young dynasty teams (dynasty with green font) start paying their guys, and all of a sudden it's back to reality.

Orlando has a young core in place that can contend in the East. They can’t afford to be cheap and lose them. Someone else would give Franz that same deal whether he “deserves it” or not. That’s the math Orlando has to deal with.

In their specific situation they really didn’t have a choice.

I like the Magic but they are a first option or an incredible 3pt shooter away from contending. 3pt shooting will be their Achilles. If Paulo and Franz can get there from 3 I’d be a believer.

They’ll get their shooting. They have to retain their assets while they fine tune things.

And different people use different definitions for “contender.” And I only said conference contender. I define contender as a team with an objectively reasonable shot to reach the showdown for the achievement discussed.

Here that would mean reaching the EC finals. Not winning it. Orlando has the pieces right now, today, on which it can very reasonably project reaching the EC Finals to have a shot at moving on. To me that is a conference contender.

[League Circles]

Bulls finally got their revenge on the Magic for the Vuc trade lol. That Wagner deal is going to be absolutely ridiculous beyond belief.

[MrSparkle]

Bulls finally got their revenge on the Magic for the Vuc trade lol. That Wagner deal is going to be absolutely ridiculous beyond belief.

I wouldn't call it ridiculous beyond belief. He's a very good all-around playoff starter at 22. Wouldn't let 1 bad game take away from that. He's already better than Lavine and Vuc ever were (besides for high-usage scoring), AFAIC. Defense, rebounding, all-around game is glue, and he's more versatile.

I'm more surprised they paid Isaac and KCP the money they did. At least they can be traded (Isaac has some non-guaranteed money after y3), but they might want to get active on the trade-front before Paolo's max kicks in.