2024 Free Agency

[Klomp]

It was on one of the pods. Honestly I thought it was common knowledge? They talked about not wanting to send out Jaden and making the money work without Dlo who Utah offered to take in exchange for Conley. Check Flagrant howls or Dane Moore around the time of the deal. If not there than maybe locked on? I often have sports pods on in the background when I cook or workout, or do stuff that doesn’t require too much focus. When I am not listening to music or streaming something.

P.S, are you sure this is something that you didn’t just forget? I mean the Gobert trade got covered every which way and this was a plot point. Especially with Dlo expiring and the salary slot issues.

I never saw anything saying Conley/D'Lo could be part of the Gobert deal. Only that we added an extra 1 or 2 First Round picks to not include McDaniels. I would've remembered it because I would've flown to Minnesota and driven D'Lo to the airport to make it happen.

Did you watch a lot of the media coverage post trade? I am honestly asking because I find it somewhere between surprising and shocking that this is in dispute. Dlo was the subject of trade rumors at the time, Dane Moore was always talking about the salary slot, do we resign him, ect… Conley kept him to pair with Gobert to revitalize him, like when he was in Brooklyn with Jarrett Allen. Is any of this ringing a bell?

I think what you heard was probably speculation more than anything else.

[Nick K]

At the end of the day I am an arm chair QB like all of you. I don’t have to like or agree with TC’s decisions, I have to live with them. I think many of you like myself have been in this situation with prior GMs and POBOs and this is no different. If it all works out then it all works out. If it doesn’t, then we need to take a closer look at TC.

I know some of you will give me a list of his best moves, but I have always felt he overpaid for Gobert. If Minott fails he will have completely dropped the ball on the 22 draft. Kyle was a good signing at the time but a bad retention past the trade deadline of year 2. Shake failed, TBJ failed, we don’t know what we have in the 23 or 24 draft groups, but we know that TC gave away the only 2 draft assets we had left to trade to get RD. If RD succeeds he is a legend, if he flops then we are *******. For those eager to point to the second Jazz trade, Finch is the one who wanted NAW and TC passed on Dlo for Conley in the initial Gobert trade. Ultimately TC will be judged on the strength of the young players, and how these new signings do if they play. But giving TC huge credit for where we are overlooks so much and also credits him for things like drafting Ant and Jaden, developing Karl into a 4, hiring Finch, and so much more that he simply didn’t do.

I get what your saying but nobody hits on them all. When he (TC) misses he usually gets off and moves the guys quickly. I'm in awe of the job TC is doing considering 32 years of front office ineptitude when they rarely ever did anything right.

I really believe that we will look back at this draft and see it as a 500 foot home run.

I'd love to see Ant and Shannon together!!! I think Shannon could play the 3 because of his wingspan. Pick your poison on either one driving to the basket.

[Nick K]

At the end of the day I am an arm chair QB like all of you. I don’t have to like or agree with TC’s decisions, I have to live with them. I think many of you like myself have been in this situation with prior GMs and POBOs and this is no different. If it all works out then it all works out. If it doesn’t, then we need to take a closer look at TC.

I know some of you will give me a list of his best moves, but I have always felt he overpaid for Gobert. If Minott fails he will have completely dropped the ball on the 22 draft. Kyle was a good signing at the time but a bad retention past the trade deadline of year 2. Shake failed, TBJ failed, we don’t know what we have in the 23 or 24 draft groups, but we know that TC gave away the only 2 draft assets we had left to trade to get RD. If RD succeeds he is a legend, if he flops then we are *******. For those eager to point to the second Jazz trade, Finch is the one who wanted NAW and TC passed on Dlo for Conley in the initial Gobert trade. Ultimately TC will be judged on the strength of the young players, and how these new signings do if they play. But giving TC huge credit for where we are overlooks so much and also credits him for things like drafting Ant and Jaden, developing Karl into a 4, hiring Finch, and so much more that he simply didn’t do.

These all make sense if looking at the last two-plus years through a quite pessimistic lens. However, he has turned around the team culture and turned around the on-court product in just two short years. Sometimes the best leaders aren't ones who make these big bombastic moves and let the world know about it, but rather the ones who let the people below them shine and do what they do best. Everyone used to rave about the Clippers management because of the big moves they made. How did that turn out for them?

I agree with you that TC had something to do with it. But how much of the turnaround is Finch, Ant, KAT, and Rudy. Rudy finished what Beverly started with the defensive culture. Finch got on guys that there are no games off and that true winners always stay ready (especially bench guys waiting for an opportunity.) Karl was the people pleaser who did whatever it took and did it with a smile (hard not to like that guy.) Ant is the guy whose charisma and talent make them believe that it isn’t a question of if they get the ring, but when. Oh and Mike is like the zen master of the NBA. All these year never a tech, multiple teammate of the year awards, flies during the playoffs to honor a former teammate, I could go on and on about how much Mike is a culture setter.

I don’t want to sound like I hate TC, because I don’t. I give him a ton of credit for what he did in Denver, building from the ground up. But every time I try to buy into him, he keeps making decisions I don’t agree with or worse (Dozier signing,) I outright hate. Again, I hope to god we win a ring. I hope to god this is all hypothetical and you guys come back and toss it in my face. I want Minnesota sports glory more than I probably should. But damn if I don’t worry history is repeating itself.

I'm kind of wondering why you don't at least give Dozier a fair shot before you give up on him?

There is very little else out there that we can afford. How about we wait and see?

[Nick K]

These all make sense if looking at the last two-plus years through a quite pessimistic lens. However, he has turned around the team culture and turned around the on-court product in just two short years. Sometimes the best leaders aren't ones who make these big bombastic moves and let the world know about it, but rather the ones who let the people below them shine and do what they do best. Everyone used to rave about the Clippers management because of the big moves they made. How did that turn out for them?

I agree with you that TC had something to do with it. But how much of the turnaround is Finch, Ant, KAT, and Rudy. Rudy finished what Beverly started with the defensive culture. Finch got on guys that there are no games off and that true winners always stay ready (especially bench guys waiting for an opportunity.) Karl was the people pleaser who did whatever it took and did it with a smile (hard not to like that guy.) Ant is the guy whose charisma and talent make them believe that it isn’t a question of if they get the ring, but when. Oh and Mike is like the zen master of the NBA. All these year never a tech, multiple teammate of the year awards, flies during the playoffs to honor a former teammate, I could go on and on about how much Mike is a culture setter.

I don’t want to sound like I hate TC, because I don’t. I give him a ton of credit for what he did in Denver, building from the ground up. But every time I try to buy into him, he keeps making decisions I don’t agree with or worse (Dozier signing,) I outright hate. Again, I hope to god we win a ring. I hope to god this is all hypothetical and you guys come back and toss it in my face. I want Minnesota sports glory more than I probably should. But damn if I don’t worry history is repeating itself.

You worry too much. Anything Rudy and Mike do TC should get credit for as the man who brought them here. You believe he paid too much for Rudy, but since that trade lesser players are getting just as big a haul and sometimes bigger. TC is certainly not flawless, but when he makes a trade or draft pick I wouldn't I'm going to assume that he's better at those things than I am so his move is likely to be better than what I would have done. I would have signed Garza and Ingles so of course those moves are great . I wouldn't have made the Dozier move, but he has some excellent physical traits and could easily prove to be a good move.

Pay Rudy too much? I agree but just look at the contracts going around today. Franz Wagner just signed for like 9 trillion dollars!!! Who the frick is Franz Wagner? Just kidding a little to make a point. When will it all end? When will the bubble pop?

The money going around today is morally wrong as far as I'm concerned. That's just my opinion. Everybody pays the price for that whether they realize it or not. Just look at the prices to park, get a beer, or hot dog? It's outrageous! Excuse the rant. I'm better now.

[Klomp]

What are our chances to sign Graham as 3rd string PG?

Little to none, in my opinion.

I'd watch for the last roster spot and the last two-way to stay open until after summer league and closer to training camp. I'd expect it to be another partial guarantee, and not many guys are willing to take that kind of deal this early in the offseason.

[KGdaBom]

At the end of the day I am an arm chair QB like all of you. I don’t have to like or agree with TC’s decisions, I have to live with them. I think many of you like myself have been in this situation with prior GMs and POBOs and this is no different. If it all works out then it all works out. If it doesn’t, then we need to take a closer look at TC.

I know some of you will give me a list of his best moves, but I have always felt he overpaid for Gobert. If Minott fails he will have completely dropped the ball on the 22 draft. Kyle was a good signing at the time but a bad retention past the trade deadline of year 2. Shake failed, TBJ failed, we don’t know what we have in the 23 or 24 draft groups, but we know that TC gave away the only 2 draft assets we had left to trade to get RD. If RD succeeds he is a legend, if he flops then we are *******. For those eager to point to the second Jazz trade, Finch is the one who wanted NAW and TC passed on Dlo for Conley in the initial Gobert trade. Ultimately TC will be judged on the strength of the young players, and how these new signings do if they play. But giving TC huge credit for where we are overlooks so much and also credits him for things like drafting Ant and Jaden, developing Karl into a 4, hiring Finch, and so much more that he simply didn’t do.

I get what your saying but nobody hits on them all. When he (TC) misses he usually gets off and moves the guys quickly. I'm in awe of the job TC is doing considering 32 years of front office ineptitude when they rarely ever did anything right.

I really believe that we will look back at this draft and see it as a 500 foot home run.

I'd love to see Ant and Shannon together!!! I think Shannon could play the 3 because of his wingspan. Pick your poison on either one driving to the basket.

I'm starting to believe that Connelly is a Jedi and uses Jedi mind tricks in negotiations.
Connelly: You don't need the #8 pick in this years draft
Spurs Wright: No we don't need the #8 pick in this years draft.
Connelly: You will trade the #8 pick to us for a random first round pick 7 years from now and we will bless you with a pick swap 6 years from now. (slowly waves his hand)
Spurs Wright: Yes, we will give you #8 overall for that. (his eyes glazed over in a trance)

I know some of you believe that Jedi's aren't real, but how can you explain this? Blackmail?

[minimus]

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[KGdaBom]

I agree with you that TC had something to do with it. But how much of the turnaround is Finch, Ant, KAT, and Rudy. Rudy finished what Beverly started with the defensive culture. Finch got on guys that there are no games off and that true winners always stay ready (especially bench guys waiting for an opportunity.) Karl was the people pleaser who did whatever it took and did it with a smile (hard not to like that guy.) Ant is the guy whose charisma and talent make them believe that it isn’t a question of if they get the ring, but when. Oh and Mike is like the zen master of the NBA. All these year never a tech, multiple teammate of the year awards, flies during the playoffs to honor a former teammate, I could go on and on about how much Mike is a culture setter.

I don’t want to sound like I hate TC, because I don’t. I give him a ton of credit for what he did in Denver, building from the ground up. But every time I try to buy into him, he keeps making decisions I don’t agree with or worse (Dozier signing,) I outright hate. Again, I hope to god we win a ring. I hope to god this is all hypothetical and you guys come back and toss it in my face. I want Minnesota sports glory more than I probably should. But damn if I don’t worry history is repeating itself.

You worry too much. Anything Rudy and Mike do TC should get credit for as the man who brought them here. You believe he paid too much for Rudy, but since that trade lesser players are getting just as big a haul and sometimes bigger. TC is certainly not flawless, but when he makes a trade or draft pick I wouldn't I'm going to assume that he's better at those things than I am so his move is likely to be better than what I would have done. I would have signed Garza and Ingles so of course those moves are great . I wouldn't have made the Dozier move, but he has some excellent physical traits and could easily prove to be a good move.

Pay Rudy too much? I agree but just look at the contracts going around today. Franz Wagner just signed for like 9 trillion dollars!!! Who the frick is Franz Wagner? Just kidding a little to make a point. When will it all end? When will the bubble pop?

The money going around today is morally wrong as far as I'm concerned. That's just my opinion. Everybody pays the price for that whether they realize it or not. Just look at the prices to park, get a beer, or hot dog? It's outrageous! Excuse the rant. I'm better now.

He meant paid too much in assets. Connelly didn't negotiate Rudy's contract.

[shrink]

Sorry to bring this up again but looks like we have a 9M exception that we could use from the KA trade. Maybe bring in Jones? Or did we used it on Ingles?

I just read this: "Bobby Marks: One interesting wrinkle is that Minnesota is a second team and not allowed to use the $4M trade exception created in February from the Troy Brown trade. Pre-existing TE are not allowed. However, teams over the apron are allowed to use a new exception created. Ex: Year 1 of the Anderson salary is $9M. The Timberwolves can now acquire a player into the $9M exception and still exceed the apron."

I don't think we have it. Marks backed off of that shortly after posting that we had it.

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I’m amused on the General Board that there is a thread about how long it takes to be a cap expert, and so many posters are anointing themselves experts and say they didn’t have to do too much to get there. If Bobby Marks can’t keep things straight, and he’s ex-GM who’s job at ESPN to know this stuff, I question whether any of us are experts.

From my perspective, we don’t have a TPE we can use, unless we can get under the second apron. And using a TPE hardcaps a team at the second apron, so we’d to be $9 mil under the second apron to use the full $9 mil TPE.

[winforlose]

I agree with you that TC had something to do with it. But how much of the turnaround is Finch, Ant, KAT, and Rudy. Rudy finished what Beverly started with the defensive culture. Finch got on guys that there are no games off and that true winners always stay ready (especially bench guys waiting for an opportunity.) Karl was the people pleaser who did whatever it took and did it with a smile (hard not to like that guy.) Ant is the guy whose charisma and talent make them believe that it isn’t a question of if they get the ring, but when. Oh and Mike is like the zen master of the NBA. All these year never a tech, multiple teammate of the year awards, flies during the playoffs to honor a former teammate, I could go on and on about how much Mike is a culture setter.

I don’t want to sound like I hate TC, because I don’t. I give him a ton of credit for what he did in Denver, building from the ground up. But every time I try to buy into him, he keeps making decisions I don’t agree with or worse (Dozier signing,) I outright hate. Again, I hope to god we win a ring. I hope to god this is all hypothetical and you guys come back and toss it in my face. I want Minnesota sports glory more than I probably should. But damn if I don’t worry history is repeating itself.

You worry too much. Anything Rudy and Mike do TC should get credit for as the man who brought them here. You believe he paid too much for Rudy, but since that trade lesser players are getting just as big a haul and sometimes bigger. TC is certainly not flawless, but when he makes a trade or draft pick I wouldn't I'm going to assume that he's better at those things than I am so his move is likely to be better than what I would have done. I would have signed Garza and Ingles so of course those moves are great . I wouldn't have made the Dozier move, but he has some excellent physical traits and could easily prove to be a good move.

Pay Rudy too much? I agree but just look at the contracts going around today. Franz Wagner just signed for like 9 trillion dollars!!! Who the frick is Franz Wagner? Just kidding a little to make a point. When will it all end? When will the bubble pop?

The money going around today is morally wrong as far as I'm concerned. That's just my opinion. Everybody pays the price for that whether they realize it or not. Just look at the prices to park, get a beer, or hot dog? It's outrageous! Excuse the rant. I'm better now.

In this context paid to much in picks and players. Not that we gave Rudy too much money.

[younggunsmn]

At the end of the day I am an arm chair QB like all of you. I don’t have to like or agree with TC’s decisions, I have to live with them. I think many of you like myself have been in this situation with prior GMs and POBOs and this is no different. If it all works out then it all works out. If it doesn’t, then we need to take a closer look at TC.

I know some of you will give me a list of his best moves, but I have always felt he overpaid for Gobert. If Minott fails he will have completely dropped the ball on the 22 draft. Kyle was a good signing at the time but a bad retention past the trade deadline of year 2. Shake failed, TBJ failed, we don’t know what we have in the 23 or 24 draft groups, but we know that TC gave away the only 2 draft assets we had left to trade to get RD. If RD succeeds he is a legend, if he flops then we are *******. For those eager to point to the second Jazz trade, Finch is the one who wanted NAW and TC passed on Dlo for Conley in the initial Gobert trade. Ultimately TC will be judged on the strength of the young players, and how these new signings do if they play. But giving TC huge credit for where we are overlooks so much and also credits him for things like drafting Ant and Jaden, developing Karl into a 4, hiring Finch, and so much more that he simply didn’t do.

I get what your saying but nobody hits on them all. When he (TC) misses he usually gets off and moves the guys quickly. I'm in awe of the job TC is doing considering 32 years of front office ineptitude when they rarely ever did anything right.

I really believe that we will look back at this draft and see it as a 500 foot home run.

I'd love to see Ant and Shannon together!!! I think Shannon could play the 3 because of his wingspan. Pick your poison on either one driving to the basket.

I'm starting to believe that Connelly is a Jedi and uses Jedi mind tricks in negotiations.
Connelly: You don't need the #8 pick in this years draft
Spurs Wright: No we don't need the #8 pick in this years draft.
Connelly: You will trade the #8 pick to us for a random first round pick 7 years from now and we will bless you with a pick swap 6 years from now. (slowly waves his hand)
Spurs Wright: Yes, we will give you #8 overall for that. (his eyes glazed over in a trance)

I know some of you believe that Jedi's aren't real, but how can you explain this? Blackmail?

I think he just had a good relationship with Wright and the Spurs.
We pulled the Miller trade with them last offseason.
Trust is important in that kind of job.

I'm guessing not many teams had the intel that the Spurs were willing to come off of 8 for future picks that far out.
Not many teams would have the guts to trade 2 essentially unprotected picks that far out though either.

[Nick K]

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I wanted Shamet in the Okogie draft. I can't imagine he'd sign for the money we could give him.

[winforlose]

At the end of the day I am an arm chair QB like all of you. I don’t have to like or agree with TC’s decisions, I have to live with them. I think many of you like myself have been in this situation with prior GMs and POBOs and this is no different. If it all works out then it all works out. If it doesn’t, then we need to take a closer look at TC.

I know some of you will give me a list of his best moves, but I have always felt he overpaid for Gobert. If Minott fails he will have completely dropped the ball on the 22 draft. Kyle was a good signing at the time but a bad retention past the trade deadline of year 2. Shake failed, TBJ failed, we don’t know what we have in the 23 or 24 draft groups, but we know that TC gave away the only 2 draft assets we had left to trade to get RD. If RD succeeds he is a legend, if he flops then we are *******. For those eager to point to the second Jazz trade, Finch is the one who wanted NAW and TC passed on Dlo for Conley in the initial Gobert trade. Ultimately TC will be judged on the strength of the young players, and how these new signings do if they play. But giving TC huge credit for where we are overlooks so much and also credits him for things like drafting Ant and Jaden, developing Karl into a 4, hiring Finch, and so much more that he simply didn’t do.

I get what your saying but nobody hits on them all. When he (TC) misses he usually gets off and moves the guys quickly. I'm in awe of the job TC is doing considering 32 years of front office ineptitude when they rarely ever did anything right.

I really believe that we will look back at this draft and see it as a 500 foot home run.

I'd love to see Ant and Shannon together!!! I think Shannon could play the 3 because of his wingspan. Pick your poison on either one driving to the basket.

I'm starting to believe that Connelly is a Jedi and uses Jedi mind tricks in negotiations.
Connelly: You don't need the #8 pick in this years draft
Spurs Wright: No we don't need the #8 pick in this years draft.
Connelly: You will trade the #8 pick to us for a random first round pick 7 years from now and we will bless you with a pick swap 6 years from now. (slowly waves his hand)
Spurs Wright: Yes, we will give you #8 overall for that. (his eyes glazed over in a trance)

I know some of you believe that Jedi's aren't real, but how can you explain this? Blackmail?

1. The Spurs just didn’t like Dilly. They drafted their guard at 4 and were done.

2. They want to trade in the near future for a star beside Wemby. In the current star market, the best currency is unprotected firsts from good teams projected far enough out when they might be bad teams.

3. A player is almost never as valuable after the pick as before the pick for trade purposes. If you get a pick you get to choose who you want. Say they draft Dilly instead of us and decide to trade him next year. Now they are limited to teams that need a PG, and who are willing to accept his defensive issues, and who got a years worth of sample size of his play. This way is cleaner. They give us the power to choose who we want, we give them the same in the future.

4. It may seem meaningless now, but the pick and swap have value. Especially for a team that cannot trade most of their other draft assets because they are owned by Utah (firsts,) as well as others, (seconds.)

[Nick K]

You worry too much. Anything Rudy and Mike do TC should get credit for as the man who brought them here. You believe he paid too much for Rudy, but since that trade lesser players are getting just as big a haul and sometimes bigger. TC is certainly not flawless, but when he makes a trade or draft pick I wouldn't I'm going to assume that he's better at those things than I am so his move is likely to be better than what I would have done. I would have signed Garza and Ingles so of course those moves are great . I wouldn't have made the Dozier move, but he has some excellent physical traits and could easily prove to be a good move.

Pay Rudy too much? I agree but just look at the contracts going around today. Franz Wagner just signed for like 9 trillion dollars!!! Who the frick is Franz Wagner? Just kidding a little to make a point. When will it all end? When will the bubble pop?

The money going around today is morally wrong as far as I'm concerned. That's just my opinion. Everybody pays the price for that whether they realize it or not. Just look at the prices to park, get a beer, or hot dog? It's outrageous! Excuse the rant. I'm better now.

He meant paid too much in assets. Connelly didn't negotiate Rudy's contract.

AHH! I don't think he gave up too much at all in that trade. Those late firsts odds say will not be difference making players. Kessler has come back to earth. Rudy helped us get to the WCF. I'd do it again in a minute.

[younggunsmn]

It was on one of the pods. Honestly I thought it was common knowledge? They talked about not wanting to send out Jaden and making the money work without Dlo who Utah offered to take in exchange for Conley. Check Flagrant howls or Dane Moore around the time of the deal. If not there than maybe locked on? I often have sports pods on in the background when I cook or workout, or do stuff that doesn’t require too much focus. When I am not listening to music or streaming something.

P.S, are you sure this is something that you didn’t just forget? I mean the Gobert trade got covered every which way and this was a plot point. Especially with Dlo expiring and the salary slot issues.

I never saw anything saying Conley/D'Lo could be part of the Gobert deal. Only that we added an extra 1 or 2 First Round picks to not include McDaniels. I would've remembered it because I would've flown to Minnesota and driven D'Lo to the airport to make it happen.

I never heard a whisper of D Lo being a part of the Gobert deal and even if it could have been so what. Connelly did trade D Lo for NAW, Conley and 2 2nd round picks. If we're going to hold Connelly responsible for every possible deal he could have made we've gone over the top. Using that logic I'm sure there's a rookie drafted late who is going to turn into a good player. Connelly could have traded for that rookie, but didn't. Connelly sucks.

D-Lo and Conley weren't included in the Gobert trade for 2 reasons:
1. TC was still in the mindset of making D-Lo work here. We've seen how he values continuity.
He also probably thought our ceiling was higher with D-Lo.
It wasn't until the friction with D-Lo/Gobert became apparent and our record was super disappointing that TC finally moved D-Lo.

2. D-Lo's trade value was also at an all-time low after a horrible playoffs. He was essentially just an expiring contract.

The good: D-Lo upped his trade value and we got NAW/3 2nds added to what probably would have just a salary swap with Conley if he had been included in the Gobert trade.
The bad: Having Mike to start the season would have probably resulted in at least 5-6 more wins and a 4/5/6 seed and a better first round matchup, with a more cohesive team.

[Nick K]

I get what your saying but nobody hits on them all. When he (TC) misses he usually gets off and moves the guys quickly. I'm in awe of the job TC is doing considering 32 years of front office ineptitude when they rarely ever did anything right.

I really believe that we will look back at this draft and see it as a 500 foot home run.

I'd love to see Ant and Shannon together!!! I think Shannon could play the 3 because of his wingspan. Pick your poison on either one driving to the basket.

I'm starting to believe that Connelly is a Jedi and uses Jedi mind tricks in negotiations.
Connelly: You don't need the #8 pick in this years draft
Spurs Wright: No we don't need the #8 pick in this years draft.
Connelly: You will trade the #8 pick to us for a random first round pick 7 years from now and we will bless you with a pick swap 6 years from now. (slowly waves his hand)
Spurs Wright: Yes, we will give you #8 overall for that. (his eyes glazed over in a trance)

I know some of you believe that Jedi's aren't real, but how can you explain this? Blackmail?

1. The Spurs just didn’t like Dilly. They drafted their guard at 4 and were done.

2. They want to trade in the near future for a star beside Wemby. In the current star market, the best currency is unprotected firsts from good teams projected far enough out when they might be bad teams.

3. A player is almost never as valuable after the pick as before the pick for trade purposes. If you get a pick you get to choose who you want. Say they draft Dilly instead of us and decide to trade him next year. Now they are limited to teams that need a PG, and who are willing to accept his defensive issues, and who got a years worth of sample size of his play. This way is cleaner. They give us the power to choose who we want, we give them the same in the future.

4. It may seem meaningless now, but the pick and swap have value. Especially for a team that cannot trade most of their other draft assets because they are owned by Utah (firsts,) as well as others, (seconds.)

The Spurs are smart. If there were a time when the Wolves might be on the decline it's 6 years from now with Kat and Gobert on their way down.

[KGdaBom]

I get what your saying but nobody hits on them all. When he (TC) misses he usually gets off and moves the guys quickly. I'm in awe of the job TC is doing considering 32 years of front office ineptitude when they rarely ever did anything right.

I really believe that we will look back at this draft and see it as a 500 foot home run.

I'd love to see Ant and Shannon together!!! I think Shannon could play the 3 because of his wingspan. Pick your poison on either one driving to the basket.

I'm starting to believe that Connelly is a Jedi and uses Jedi mind tricks in negotiations.
Connelly: You don't need the #8 pick in this years draft
Spurs Wright: No we don't need the #8 pick in this years draft.
Connelly: You will trade the #8 pick to us for a random first round pick 7 years from now and we will bless you with a pick swap 6 years from now. (slowly waves his hand)
Spurs Wright: Yes, we will give you #8 overall for that. (his eyes glazed over in a trance)

I know some of you believe that Jedi's aren't real, but how can you explain this? Blackmail?

I think he just had a good relationship with Wright and the Spurs.
We pulled the Miller trade with them last offseason.
Trust is important in that kind of job.

I'm guessing not many teams had the intel that the Spurs were willing to come off of 8 for future picks that far out.
Not many teams would have the guts to trade 2 essentially unprotected picks that far out though either.

I wouldn't have the gall to dare make an offer like that. I'd think there's zero chance of it being accepted and would ruin any relationship we had.

[KGdaBom]

I get what your saying but nobody hits on them all. When he (TC) misses he usually gets off and moves the guys quickly. I'm in awe of the job TC is doing considering 32 years of front office ineptitude when they rarely ever did anything right.

I really believe that we will look back at this draft and see it as a 500 foot home run.

I'd love to see Ant and Shannon together!!! I think Shannon could play the 3 because of his wingspan. Pick your poison on either one driving to the basket.

I'm starting to believe that Connelly is a Jedi and uses Jedi mind tricks in negotiations.
Connelly: You don't need the #8 pick in this years draft
Spurs Wright: No we don't need the #8 pick in this years draft.
Connelly: You will trade the #8 pick to us for a random first round pick 7 years from now and we will bless you with a pick swap 6 years from now. (slowly waves his hand)
Spurs Wright: Yes, we will give you #8 overall for that. (his eyes glazed over in a trance)

I know some of you believe that Jedi's aren't real, but how can you explain this? Blackmail?

1. The Spurs just didn’t like Dilly. They drafted their guard at 4 and were done.

2. They want to trade in the near future for a star beside Wemby. In the current star market, the best currency is unprotected firsts from good teams projected far enough out when they might be bad teams.

3. A player is almost never as valuable after the pick as before the pick for trade purposes. If you get a pick you get to choose who you want. Say they draft Dilly instead of us and decide to trade him next year. Now they are limited to teams that need a PG, and who are willing to accept his defensive issues, and who got a years worth of sample size of his play. This way is cleaner. They give us the power to choose who we want, we give them the same in the future.

4. It may seem meaningless now, but the pick and swap have value. Especially for a team that cannot trade most of their other draft assets because they are owned by Utah (firsts,) as well as others, (seconds.)

1: It doesn't matter. They could have drafted anybody.
2: Wolves are very unlikely to be a bad team in Ant's prime
3: That's true so if they saw no player worthy of picking they should have traded for a couple first round picks next year instead on one random pick 7 years from now and the swap.
4: They have value, but way less value than #8 overall right now. I've been following the NBA for over 50 years. I've never seen a trade that shocked me as much as this one.

[KGdaBom]

I'm starting to believe that Connelly is a Jedi and uses Jedi mind tricks in negotiations.
Connelly: You don't need the #8 pick in this years draft
Spurs Wright: No we don't need the #8 pick in this years draft.
Connelly: You will trade the #8 pick to us for a random first round pick 7 years from now and we will bless you with a pick swap 6 years from now. (slowly waves his hand)
Spurs Wright: Yes, we will give you #8 overall for that. (his eyes glazed over in a trance)

I know some of you believe that Jedi's aren't real, but how can you explain this? Blackmail?

1. The Spurs just didn’t like Dilly. They drafted their guard at 4 and were done.

2. They want to trade in the near future for a star beside Wemby. In the current star market, the best currency is unprotected firsts from good teams projected far enough out when they might be bad teams.

3. A player is almost never as valuable after the pick as before the pick for trade purposes. If you get a pick you get to choose who you want. Say they draft Dilly instead of us and decide to trade him next year. Now they are limited to teams that need a PG, and who are willing to accept his defensive issues, and who got a years worth of sample size of his play. This way is cleaner. They give us the power to choose who we want, we give them the same in the future.

4. It may seem meaningless now, but the pick and swap have value. Especially for a team that cannot trade most of their other draft assets because they are owned by Utah (firsts,) as well as others, (seconds.)

The Spurs are smart. If there were a time when the Wolves might be on the decline it's 6 years from now with Kat and Gobert on their way down.

In my 50 years watching the NBA I've never seen such poor return for that high of a draft pick. The Wolves are likely to be a very good team in Ant's prime. It was like taking candy from a baby.

[winforlose]

I'm starting to believe that Connelly is a Jedi and uses Jedi mind tricks in negotiations.
Connelly: You don't need the #8 pick in this years draft
Spurs Wright: No we don't need the #8 pick in this years draft.
Connelly: You will trade the #8 pick to us for a random first round pick 7 years from now and we will bless you with a pick swap 6 years from now. (slowly waves his hand)
Spurs Wright: Yes, we will give you #8 overall for that. (his eyes glazed over in a trance)

I know some of you believe that Jedi's aren't real, but how can you explain this? Blackmail?

I think he just had a good relationship with Wright and the Spurs.
We pulled the Miller trade with them last offseason.
Trust is important in that kind of job.

I'm guessing not many teams had the intel that the Spurs were willing to come off of 8 for future picks that far out.
Not many teams would have the guts to trade 2 essentially unprotected picks that far out though either.

I wouldn't have the gall to dare make an offer like that. I'd think there's zero chance of it being accepted and would ruin any relationship we had.

In the interview I posted in the rotation thread TC said he had another pick in mind and while he wouldn’t say it what it was, it seemed clear he was getting a high pick either way. He made a comment about how FOs always talk to one another, even if they don’t intend to move a player, they still listen to the offer. TC made an unconventional pitch, which quite frankly isn’t that unconventional now that teams are trading picks 6 or 7 years out as part of star deals more frequently.