The Rob Dillingham Thread

[KGdaBom]

Maybe this has been mentioned and I missed it, but I wanted to make people aware.

San Antonio already owns a pickswap for 2030 with Dallas. The Spurs can only swap with one team, so the only way we’d have to give up that Top 1 protected 2030 swap is if we had the best pick for all three teams, MIN, SAS and DAL.

Could they trade away one of them?

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone ask that specific question before! I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

I don't think they should be able to trade a pick swap. Changing which team you're pick swapping with probably isn't allowed.

[shrink]

Could they trade away one of them?

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone ask that specific question before! I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

I don't think they should be able to trade a pick swap. Changing which team you're pick swapping with probably isn't allowed.

What I think you’re saying that is illegal would be for SAS to trade the DAL pickswap to, say, BOS who got pick #29. The swap is only between the two teams who initially agreed.

What I am unsure about is a scenario like this:

Suppose the 2030 lottery results have DAL getting the #3 pick, MIN gets #8, and SAS gets #18 MIN looks like they are in the clear, since the Spurs will pickswap with DAL. However, DAL doesn’t want to give up their pick, and offers to trade SAS a 2031 and 2033 1st for the 2030 pick swap. SAS says OK, because now they get the MIN pick. I would guess that is legal, but I haven’t seen it.

Another thing that is legal is for a team to make trades that further divide the pick for a lower swap. Let’s ignore the DAL swap for a second, and look at MIN getting the second best player between SAS and MIN. The Wolves could offer to trade another swap to another team, say CHI, and say that the Spurs get the best pick, CHI gets the rights to the second best pick, and MIN gets the worst pick.

[KGdaBom]

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone ask that specific question before! I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

I don't think they should be able to trade a pick swap. Changing which team you're pick swapping with probably isn't allowed.

What I think you’re saying that is illegal would be for SAS to trade the DAL pickswap to, say, BOS who got pick #29. The swap is only between the two teams who initially agreed.

What I am unsure about is a scenario like this:

Suppose the 2030 lottery results have DAL getting the #3 pick, MIN gets #8, and SAS gets #18 MIN looks like they are in the clear, since the Spurs will pickswap with DAL. However, DAL doesn’t want to give up their pick, and offers to trade SAS a 2031 and 2033 1st for the 2030 pick swap. SAS says OK, because now they get the MIN pick. I would guess that is legal, but I haven’t seen it.

Another thing that is legal is for a team to make trades that further divide the pick for a lower swap. Let’s ignore the DAL swap for a second, and look at MIN getting the second best player between SAS and MIN. The Wolves could offer to trade another swap to another team, say CHI, and say that the Spurs get the best pick, CHI gets the rights to the second best pick, and MIN gets the worst pick.

If pick swap trades have loopholes they should close them yesterday.

[younggunsmn]

Could they trade away one of them?

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone ask that specific question before! I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

I don't think they should be able to trade a pick swap. Changing which team you're pick swapping with probably isn't allowed.

It gets complicated.

San Antonio could trade it away again in an "X team gets best of these 4 picks" scenario".
However, San Antonio would have to swap their own pick out with the team that held the best pick first in that scenario, if that team were Minnesota or Dallas.
So If we lost it, we'd end up with San Antonio's pick, X team would end up with ours, and SA would end up with X team's.
Then Dallas would keep theirs.
They would functionally be swapping with us first, then swapping with X team, since if they exercise a swap with MN or Dallas, they have to give that team their own pick.

They could technically guarantee us the 2nd best of the SA/Dallas/MN picks in the trade too, if we start out with the worst of those 3 picks, effectively exercising (or not exercising) the swap with Dallas first and then the swap with us.

The scenario would have to be something with the teams in this order (for example):
MN pick 2, DAL pick 3, SA pick 4.
However, they didn't HAVE TO do that in the trade with us.
We would have to see the details.
I would lean towards the idea that they did though, and we are guaranteed the better of SA/DAL if we lose our pick, as it costs San Antonio absolutely nothing extra to do that for us.

The language would read: San Antonio has the right to swap out the better of their own 2030 1st round pick and Dallas's 2030 1st round pick for Minnesota's own 2030 1st round pick, top 1 protected"

They can't give Dallas our pick if Dallas has the worst out of the 3 picks though.

[KGdaBom]

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone ask that specific question before! I don’t think so, but I’m not sure.

I don't think they should be able to trade a pick swap. Changing which team you're pick swapping with probably isn't allowed.

It gets complicated.

San Antonio could trade it away again in an "X team gets best of these 4 picks" scenario".
However, San Antonio would have to swap their own pick out with the team that held the best pick first in that scenario, if that team were Minnesota or Dallas.
So If we lost it, we'd end up with San Antonio's pick, X team would end up with ours, and SA would end up with X team's.
Then Dallas would keep theirs.
They would functionally be swapping with us first, then swapping with X team, since if they exercise a swap with MN or Dallas, they have to give that team their own pick.

They could technically guarantee us the 2nd best of the SA/Dallas/MN picks in the trade too, if we start out with the worst of those 3 picks, effectively exercising (or not exercising) the swap with Dallas first and then the swap with us.

The scenario would have to be something with the teams in this order (for example):
MN pick 2, DAL pick 3, SA pick 4.
However, they didn't HAVE TO do that in the trade with us.
We would have to see the details.
I would lean towards the idea that they did though, and we are guaranteed the better of SA/DAL if we lose our pick, as it costs San Antonio absolutely extra nothing to do that for us.

They can't give Dallas our pick if Dallas has the worst out of the 3 picks though.

Thanks.

[KGdaBom]

Fun YouTube from a guy who thinks the Wolves had the best draft.

Watch on YouTube

One thing I found real interesting. Factor in how Dilly shoots from almost maximum jump and has a high release point vs Shannon Shooting from far less jump height and lower release point. Dilly probably shoots from a significantly higher elevation than Shannon.

[younggunsmn]

Fun YouTube from a guy who thinks the Wolves had the best draft.
One thing I found real interesting. Factor in how Dilly shoots from almost maximum jump and has a high release point vs Shannon Shooting from far less jump height and lower release point. Dilly probably shoots from a significantly higher elevation than Shannon.

Yeah Dilly's jumper is damn near perfect and Shannon's needs some structural changes.

I'm really bullish on TSJ, I think the bigger court and extra space in the NBA will suit him.
I think he's gonna be Kelly Oubre with a better handle.

[KGdaBom]

Fun YouTube from a guy who thinks the Wolves had the best draft.
One thing I found real interesting. Factor in how Dilly shoots from almost maximum jump and has a high release point vs Shannon Shooting from far less jump height and lower release point. Dilly probably shoots from a significantly higher elevation than Shannon.

Yeah Dilly's jumper is damn near perfect and Shannon's needs some structural changes.

I'm really bullish on TSJ, I think the bigger court and extra space in the NBA will suit him.
I think he's gonna be Kelly Oubre with a better handle.

That would be awesome. You think he can learn a higher release point at this stage of his career? He's going to get them blocked in the NBA unless he does.

[cmoss84]

Predictions on RD, TSJ, and Miller? Ppg, rbs, and assists?

[Klomp]

I think he's gonna be Kelly Oubre with a better handle.

The only reason I don't love this comparison is the defensive upside.

Then again, my earliest comparison was to Shabazz Muhammad, so.....

[younggunsmn]

Fun YouTube from a guy who thinks the Wolves had the best draft.
One thing I found real interesting. Factor in how Dilly shoots from almost maximum jump and has a high release point vs Shannon Shooting from far less jump height and lower release point. Dilly probably shoots from a significantly higher elevation than Shannon.

Yeah Dilly's jumper is damn near perfect and Shannon's needs some structural changes.

I'm really bullish on TSJ, I think the bigger court and extra space in the NBA will suit him.
I think he's gonna be Kelly Oubre with a better handle.

That would be awesome. You think he can learn a higher release point at this stage of his career? He's going to get them blocked in the NBA unless he does.

I don't know, but its the biggest question mark for him going forward.
Probably part of what dropped him down the draft board.

The downside is he's an older player already.
The upside is that you see that he has worked hard for 5 years already improving, so you have more faith he will keep working on improving at this level.

[KGdaBom]

Yeah Dilly's jumper is damn near perfect and Shannon's needs some structural changes.

I'm really bullish on TSJ, I think the bigger court and extra space in the NBA will suit him.
I think he's gonna be Kelly Oubre with a better handle.

That would be awesome. You think he can learn a higher release point at this stage of his career? He's going to get them blocked in the NBA unless he does.

I don't know, but its the biggest question mark for him going forward.
Probably part of what dropped him down the draft board.

The downside is he's an older player already.
The upside is that you see that he has worked hard for 5 years already improving, so you have more faith he will keep working on improving at this level.

You think the low release point particularly or just the age in general dropped him down the board. I think the bogus charges against him had a lot to do with it. Teams took him off their boards pending the outcome and were slow to make the correction once it was proven he was innocent beyond any reasonable doubt.

[BlacJacMac]

Fun YouTube from a guy who thinks the Wolves had the best draft.
One thing I found real interesting. Factor in how Dilly shoots from almost maximum jump and has a high release point vs Shannon Shooting from far less jump height and lower release point. Dilly probably shoots from a significantly higher elevation than Shannon.

Yeah Dilly's jumper is damn near perfect and Shannon's needs some structural changes.

I'm really bullish on TSJ, I think the bigger court and extra space in the NBA will suit him.
I think he's gonna be Kelly Oubre with a better handle.

That would be awesome. You think he can learn a higher release point at this stage of his career? He's going to get them blocked in the NBA unless he does.

Kevin Martin shot from his hip and he did ok.

[KGdaBom]

Yeah Dilly's jumper is damn near perfect and Shannon's needs some structural changes.

I'm really bullish on TSJ, I think the bigger court and extra space in the NBA will suit him.
I think he's gonna be Kelly Oubre with a better handle.

That would be awesome. You think he can learn a higher release point at this stage of his career? He's going to get them blocked in the NBA unless he does.

Kevin Martin shot from his hip and he did ok.

I'm not saying he can't do well with it, but it's not ideal.

[Klomp]

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I still would really like these odds if I was a gambling man, even though they've moved from +1800 just four days ago. I think he'll have a role offering instant impact off the bench for a good playoff team....that's hard to overlook, and something few others can say.

[KGdaBom]

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I still would really like these odds if I was a gambling man, even though they've moved from +1800 just four days ago. I think he'll have a role offering instant impact off the bench for a good playoff team....that's hard to overlook, and something few others can say.

I'm liking the Shannon odds.

[Note30]

Yeah Dilly's jumper is damn near perfect and Shannon's needs some structural changes.

I'm really bullish on TSJ, I think the bigger court and extra space in the NBA will suit him.
I think he's gonna be Kelly Oubre with a better handle.

That would be awesome. You think he can learn a higher release point at this stage of his career? He's going to get them blocked in the NBA unless he does.

Kevin Martin shot from his hip and he did ok.

Shawn Marion as well.

[KGdaBom]

That would be awesome. You think he can learn a higher release point at this stage of his career? He's going to get them blocked in the NBA unless he does.

Kevin Martin shot from his hip and he did ok.

Shawn Marion as well.

Sure. It can be done. When I researched Lamelo Ball b4 the draft I saw him shooting from his waist and somehow he gets a decent amount to go in. I don't know if he has corrected that at all. Shannon is nowhere near as bad as them, but it would be nice if he could get a little more elevation on his shot.

[cmoss84]

Predictions on RD, TSJ, and Miller? Ppg, rbs, and assists?

Ok I'll start.

RD: 14.2, 3.3, 3.3
TSJ: 8.7, 3.9, 2.1
Miller: 7.2, 2.7, 1.5

That was exhilarating.

[KGdaBom]

Predictions on RD, TSJ, and Miller? Ppg, rbs, and assists?

Ok I'll start.

RD: 14.2, 3.3, 3.3
TSJ: 8.7, 3.9, 2.1
Miller: 7.2, 2.7, 1.5

That was exhilarating.

I might try this after SL. I want a little more to go on and yes I know it's easier then.
14.2 is aggressive for Dilly. Pretty much all the numbers are aggressive for Dilly. I'd be very happy with those.
W4L would you be happy with those numbers?
If the minutes are at all close between Shannon and Miller; Miller will get more rebounds. He's a much better rebounder.