Malik Beasley

[mattao313]

If we sign fontecchio back guys like holland, ausar, ivey, and Stewart either don't play or minutes get cut heavily. I think they sign another C and that'll be it.

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Not sure how you think it's possible Stewart don't get minutes.

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I said don't play or get minutes cut...

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[MortSahlfan]

I love this signing, he can shoot and will. Surprised he chose us tho

My guess is that he's been "promised" playing time, maybe a high chance to be a starter, because he could have gone anywhere else for 6 million. He's obviously going to play for a contract, so I'm guessing he turned down other teams because he wouldn't get much chance to show (stats)

That would both shock and upset me.

What I suspect actually happened was he got sold on the *opportunity* to earn minutes. It's easy to look at our roster but then essentially put the onus back on the player by saying "This is your competition. Go beat them out."

Is it easier to battle for minutes on an 18 win team? You betcha! But promises to scrubs? Nah. That didn't happen.

I used "promises" in quotes for that reason. Langdon could have said, "The starter job is yours to lose" and how he'll have every opportunity to shine.

Why else would he choose Detroit (with plenty of guards already) but not other teams? We were the very worst team. Horrible weather while some states have no income tax, and a lot of other things players want.. Younger players seem to love Miami/Atlanta night-life while older guys like being in LA markets for post-career.

[Mr Peanut]

Can't dislike this move. A floor spacer at a fairly low cost. His defense sucks but JB is a defensive coach so hopefully he can instil a scheme that minimizes Beasley's deficiencies.

Our wing rotation is becoming crowded, but that's not a bad thing. If Holland is better than expected at this early stage in his career then we can always move Beasley at the deadline to a contender for picks. So there's no real downside.

[DetroitSho]

My guess is that he's been "promised" playing time, maybe a high chance to be a starter, because he could have gone anywhere else for 6 million. He's obviously going to play for a contract, so I'm guessing he turned down other teams because he wouldn't get much chance to show (stats)

That would both shock and upset me.

What I suspect actually happened was he got sold on the *opportunity* to earn minutes. It's easy to look at our roster but then essentially put the onus back on the player by saying "This is your competition. Go beat them out."

Is it easier to battle for minutes on an 18 win team? You betcha! But promises to scrubs? Nah. That didn't happen.

I used "promises" in quotes for that reason. Langdon could have said, "The starter job is yours to lose" and how he'll have every opportunity to shine.

Why else would he choose Detroit (with plenty of guards already) but not other teams? We were the very worst team. Horrible weather while some states have no income tax, and a lot of other things players want.. Younger players seem to love Miami/Atlanta night-life while older guys like being in LA markets for post-career.

I'm sorry but this take is so low hanging fruit and getting old. Yeah, Beasley turned down several offers from "glamor" franchises and graced us with his starting presence.

Truth is, Beasley probably had no market and us giving him even $6 mil was a good look for him.

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[DBC10]

All of those could be true in terms of Detroit's weaknesses as a destination but that still doesn't make Beasley some highly sought guard on the market. There's a lot of middling to low guys who won't get paid these days

[Pharaoh]

Beasley might not be highly sought after but he does bring shooting and experience.

1 year deal at that price is fine

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[The Moose]

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He's an awful defender, but he does at least provide elite 3pt shooting and is a solid rotation player

Don't hate the pickup at all

[TC-Flint]

Beasley was sought by Langdon and Bickerstaff and that is good enough for me. They have greatly improved our roster!

[GreekAlex]

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He's an awful defender, but he does at least provide elite 3pt shooting and is a solid rotation player

Don't hate the pickup at all

Was he always a bad defender?

Milwaukee fans were saying he was forced to do a lot and misused of defense because of Dames deficiency defensively.

[The Moose]

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He's an awful defender, but he does at least provide elite 3pt shooting and is a solid rotation player

Don't hate the pickup at all

Was he always a bad defender?

Milwaukee fans were saying he was forced to do a lot and misused of defense because of Dames deficiency defensively.

I didn't watch many bucks games, but by my most metrics last season was his best defensive season by a pretty long way

[vege]

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He's an awful defender, but he does at least provide elite 3pt shooting and is a solid rotation player

Don't hate the pickup at all

Was he always a bad defender?

Milwaukee fans were saying he was forced to do a lot and misused of defense because of Dames deficiency defensively.

DBPM is just one metric, you need to combine a bunch of advanced stats and watch the games to have an acurate picture, 1 advanced stats doesn't say much.

I remember posting about Drummond game against Milwaukee, where he had the worst +/- in that playoffs game, but he was actually our best player that game. He did a decent job guarding Giannis. On the other hand, Lowry had a laughable game in a different match, where he had the worst stats line ever, but he had the highest +/- for his team.

What I am trying to say is, plus minus is a crap advanced stats, even the estimated version. There are more reliable advanced stats, but ideally you combine a bunch of them to get a better picture.

Beasley is not a good defender, but he is average.

If you have time and want to understand it better go read about it, but this is the conclusion.

"We see that RAPM is a great improvement on plus-minus models, but many of the assumptions are failed to be met. Ignoring this, we still obtain understandable; somewhat non-iterpretable values that adequately measure player contribution."

Understanding Squared Statistics: Understanding Basketball Analytics by Justin Jacobs

https://squared2020.com/

[Pharaoh]

From memory Bucks wanted to use Beasley as a POA defender and he's not that.

Opposing teams just called up Dame's man to screen, switches happened and Dame got exposed.

That's not on Beasley.

If you watch Boston they cover that kind of thing by pre-switching and communication between the likes of White, Jrue, Pritchard and Horford.

Bucks failed to do that.

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[bstein14]

Beasley was slightly below average on defense last year. Ivey was bottom 10 in the league of players playing at least 24 MPG last year.

[The Moose]

He's really bad defensively, has been for the vast majority of his career, and I think this will be clear pretty quickly during this season.

It's less of a big deal given his cheap contract and elite 3pt shooting, but we can just call a spade a spade. There is a reason this will be his 5th team in 4 seasons despite having the 3rd most 3PT makes across the past 3 seasons

[7r5ur]

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He's an awful defender, but he does at least provide elite 3pt shooting and is a solid rotation player

Don't hate the pickup at all

Was he always a bad defender?

Milwaukee fans were saying he was forced to do a lot and misused of defense because of Dames deficiency defensively.

You can just replace Dame and Milwaukee in that situation with Cade and Detroit. And the same applies to basically every other team in the league.

These days, you don't really want to bring in role players that force your top guys into defending tougher matchups. Beasley falls in that category of one-dimensional on offense but also a guy you have to try to hide defensively, and that's why he has to come to a team like Detroit to get his $6M.

[7r5ur]

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He's an awful defender, but he does at least provide elite 3pt shooting and is a solid rotation player

Don't hate the pickup at all

Was he always a bad defender?

Milwaukee fans were saying he was forced to do a lot and misused of defense because of Dames deficiency defensively.

I didn't watch many bucks games, but by my most metrics last season was his best defensive season by a pretty long way

With Lopez and Giannis backing him up, yeah. How about Duren and Tobias Harris lol

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[dezzie_33]

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[Pharaoh]

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Respect for the older player.

Good for Holland considering right now everyone in the organisation knows he's more likely a piece to any future success where as Beaskey is a footnote

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