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The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2

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Assuming this is the last major addition, are you more excited than you were last offseason?

Yes
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No
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2%
About the same
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Total votes: 45

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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1201 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 6, 2024 10:02 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I'd honestly like us to not bring back Okogie, and waive Roddy to create 2 open spots left for:

Starting Small Forward-
Covington or Crowder.

Backup 4/5-
Daniel Theiss or Christian Wood ( via small trade).


How about we grab a couple more youngsters and forget about this delusional we are a contender mindset? I say play the crap out of Dunn and that Oso fella and find out quickly if they’re legit contributors. We don’t have enough minutes to go around to keep stacking in old wore out vets and once was maybes. If we didn’t hit on these Draft picks… It’s a rinse and repeat, Unless the big little three ball out.

Outside of Bud, Morris might be the most important pick up. And actually getting rid of Vogel could be the biggest improvement just from addition by subtraction.

Furthermore, it’s borderline trolling/and certainly comical some here are clamoring for a retry of notorious quitters DeSquandre and Chuck Chowder. Give that **** a rest.


Oh, I completely agree with you man! Young athletic players would be better for sure! But since my gut tells me (I promise it's not gas by the way) that Ishbia and Jones aren't yet ready to admit that reality, and are unlikely to pivot to a full-on youth development path yet either. My remaining hope would be for us to add a few of these more well known vet names on the minimum and hope that they can hopefully excel in their role and be used as potential low-cost 1 for-1 cheap trade piece in a deadline deal that either returns a cheap young talent as you're suggesting OR possibly a 2nd round pick in the loaded 25' draft or even a future 2nd (seeing as he pulled multiple 2nds for Milwaukee not too long ago).

But yeah man, I agree that we're not a contender by any means, absent of further bigger moves that we just can't do unless our front office chooses to finally (around the deadline) begrudgingly acquiesce to trade one of our big 3! I also agree that I don't see either team wanting Ayton, especially at his salary. However, I would be open to us trying to explore being a 3rd team facilitator (if possible) to have Ayton go elsewhere to a team desperately needing a center, and having cap space, then maybe some team gets Ayton, the other team gets Nurkic, and we get pieces/ fillers/ a pick or 2nds possibly. A few teams that might fit that scenario (needing a center) could be:

New York, Milwaukee, Miami, Chicago, Golden State, Flakers, Memphis?

My veiled interest in Crowder would honestly only be predicated on the premise of Crowder either being a solid mentor for Jalen Bridges and Ryan Dunn, and/or maybe building a modicum of trade value in our system and then flipping him in some trade deadline deal for a 2nd or two if lucky? :D
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1202 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 6, 2024 10:04 pm

enigmatics wrote:Paul Reed just hit the market.

I swear to God if this team doesnt try to get him. Move on this Jones!


He's a very solid, versatile long switchable 4/5 defender who not too long ago was said to have a Jerami Grant-type archetype potential. I'd love us to pick up either Reed or Achiuwa if we could. :D
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1203 » by BobbieL » Sat Jul 6, 2024 10:05 pm

dremill24 wrote:
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dremill24 wrote:
~12.9mil starting salary for up to 4yrs


I thought they could only sign him to a one year deal and after this year - have his bird rights

One year for the league average

But Bertans was released
Paul Reed is a FA
Granted can't do much but the minimum but Okogie - I don't think they need him back

I wish they could do a sign and trade with him at that salary but don't think they can

Ingram on the market as the Pels only want to pay 4/160-180


You need 3yrs under contract to get to Full Bird Rights and sign for anything up to the max. But only 2yrs to get to sign with Early Bird Rights up to that number.

I suppose if all involved wanted to be able to sign a contract specifically with Full Birds then they'd need to do a 1yr contract so he can get the biggest raise possible ASAP by signing again next year. As a guy who has never gotten over the minimum on the open market, I dont really think thats much of a concern regarding Okogie. Maybe a 1yr deal allows them to sign him to a huge short salary as trade ballast at that point next July...but I'd imagine they're potentially more concerned about signing him to a large enough tradeable salary this year than next, if thats their goal, but who knows. If its something coming down to just on court value, getting Full Birds next year isnt going to do him any good, hes not getting more than the Early Bird number on the open market this year or next.

If something up to the Early Bird number is an agreeable number to both parties over multiple years, you can sign for 1-4yrs using that salary. It just keeps you away from the FA market longer, but its not like hes sacrificing much earning power in that scenario, so I doubt its a huge problem.


I knwo the Suns cap situation long term leaves them with limited options but Okogie for more than the minimum on one year deals seems like bad business.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1204 » by sunskerr » Sat Jul 6, 2024 10:17 pm

Paul Reed would be steal but I think he's worth too much for us unfortunately
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1205 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jul 6, 2024 10:25 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
enigmatics wrote:Paul Reed just hit the market.

I swear to God if this team doesnt try to get him. Move on this Jones!


DEFINITELY a guy we should go after. Always liked him.


If they resign him, maybe we can resign Okogie at 12 million, and then at the deadline flip Okogie/ future 2nd to Philly for Reed/filler?? Maybe he could be a cheaper budget version of a Kevon Looney for us?
https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?player_id2=reedpa01&player_id1=looneke01&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=looneke01
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1206 » by BobbieL » Sat Jul 6, 2024 10:44 pm

Dario Saric to the Nuggets. He is for sure a different player than KCP but good team for him to sign with.

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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1207 » by Mr Puddles » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:31 pm

David Bertans has been waived. Can knock down three pointers at a high rate, doesn't do much else though.

Don't mind him as a Kaminski signing.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1208 » by Frank Lee » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:42 pm

Scrap pile fever is running rampant
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1209 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jul 7, 2024 12:28 am

Frank Lee wrote:Scrap pile fever is running rampant

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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1210 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Jul 7, 2024 12:59 am

Damn rather Reed than Plumlee

Can only think Lowry and Covington are waiting for more than the minimum. McLaughlin is the only other guy I'd want.

Okogie might just be a minutes eater for us in regular season and have trade value at the deadline.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1211 » by Mr Puddles » Sun Jul 7, 2024 1:03 am

Poku waived too!

He's like a moderately rich man's Dragan Bender.
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Post#1212 » by They_Them_Hatin » Sun Jul 7, 2024 1:04 am

Saberestar wrote:
They_Them_Hatin wrote:Does anyone know the max they can sign Okogie for?

A team may re-sign its own free agent to a contract with a first-year salary of up to the greater of (a) 175% of the player’s salary in the last season of his prior contract, or (b) 105% of the average player salary for the prior season, if he played for the team for some or all of each of the prior two consecutive seasons (or, if he changed teams, he did so by trade or by assignment via the NBA’s waiver procedures).

A contract signed using the Early Bird Exception must be for at least two seasons (not including any option year).


Basically around $12M per year at most.


Some good players in that range.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1213 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:23 am

Mr Puddles wrote:Poku waived too!

He's like a moderately rich man's Dragan Bender.


Two very solid skinny shooters that could really open up the floor playing alongside of any of Dunn, Okogie, Plumlee, or Ighodaro! Low key 3 point boost for the bench possibly. No offense to Roddy, but I'd honestly rather use his spot on either of those guys. But would definitely also want to get Poku on a strength training program and be feeding him like 100 burgers a week too. :D
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1214 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:30 am

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Lol! @ the Flakers for missing out on another key talent/ big name. By the way, speaking of the Flakers, there have been rumors that they could be looking to trade Wood and Reddish.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/lakers_will_most_likely_trade_cam_reddish_and_christian_wood_would_like_to_keep_jaxson_hayes/s1_16751_40575823
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"Trading Wood/Reddish attaching second round pick for a team that has cap flexibility to take them on. You create roster spots/cap room. As for the bigger trades, I know the Lakers are being active and aggressive right now. It’s hard to say if one of those is going to happen."

Should we have an interest in a Little for Reddish/ Wood trade? I get that If for the purposes of a salary dump, it might require a 3 team trade with Little/lakers 2nd (maybe a future 2nd from us too) going to one team with cap space (cough.....cough.... Washington after Avdija trade)?? and then Reddish and Wood or other pieces come to us? :dontknow:
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1215 » by Mr Puddles » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:41 am

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Lol! @ th Flakers for missing out on another key talent/ big name. By the way, speaking of the Flakers, there have been rumors that they could be looking to trade Wood and Reddish.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/lakers_will_most_likely_trade_cam_reddish_and_christian_wood_would_like_to_keep_jaxson_hayes/s1_16751_40575823
"If I had to guess... I look at the Lakers doing some type of 2 player vet minimum salary dump - Reddish, Wood are names I’ve heard... Jaxson Hayes I think is the guy that the Lakers would like to keep."

"Trading Wood/Reddish attaching second round pick for a team that has cap flexibility to take them on. You create roster spots/cap room. As for the bigger trades, I know the Lakers are being active and aggressive right now. It’s hard to say if one of those is going to happen."

Should we have an interest in a Little for Reddish/ Wood trade? I get that If for the purposes of a salary dump, it might require a 3 team trade with Little/lakers 2nd (maybe a future 2nd from us too) going to one team with cap space (cough.....cough.... Washington after Avdija trade)?? and then Reddish and Wood or other pieces come to us? :dontknow:


I believe a Barnes for Nurkic trade is allowed under the second apron right? Chicago is rebuilding, we probably don't have the draft capital to pull it off but a I wonder if we can get involved in this trade a poach Barnes.

EDIT: I misread, Barnes is going to the Spurs. Makes sense, they're going to have a really good team next year.
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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1216 » by Slim Charless » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:54 am

Mr Puddles wrote:Poku waived too!

He's like a moderately rich man's Dragan Bender.


I'd sign Poku in a heartbeat. I still have faith in that guy. At worst he can fill out our g league team.
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Post#1217 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:56 am

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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1218 » by KLEON » Sun Jul 7, 2024 3:00 am

Frank Lee wrote:Scrap pile fever is running rampant

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Post#1219 » by KLEON » Sun Jul 7, 2024 3:04 am

Mr Puddles wrote:Poku waived too!

He's like a moderately rich man's Dragan Bender.

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Re: The Official 2024 Offseason Thread Part 2 

Post#1220 » by garrick » Sun Jul 7, 2024 3:14 am

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Does Boston really want to trade places with us Ishbia? :lol:

This is the toxic delusional positivity his detractors spoke of.

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