Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Ok, If we are bringing back KJ Martin (which I applaud), are we signing him with the intention of him being part of this team and part of the rotation? Once again, we knew what kind of team Nick Nurse was eventually going to field. He wants switchable, versatile players who are athletes out there on the floor. It's why we kept Ricky Council once we discovered the gem that he was. KJ Martin did some good things for us last season when he had opportunities. He can't shoot, we know this, but he can defend, he's a high flying athlete, and he can crash the boards. Yeah...We might sign him with the intention of just trading him, but I hope he can actually stick and become something for us.

No. The Sixers can overpay him to create a 1 yr guaranteed contract that they can use after January 15th to trade for another asset. Doing it this way avoids the CBA's rules that would otherwise hardcap them which restricts what they can/can't do. Spelled out:

Sixers sign & trade KJ now - activates hardcap & hardcap penalties

Sixers sign KJ now - trade him in January - hardcap penalties are not triggered.

If the Sixers don't overpay him now - they won't have a tradable contract to match salaries with come January. This would also activate a hardcap and penalties.

Yeah man, I realize all that. I'm saying that even though that is probably the plan, I'm not putting it past him to actually be able to contribute to this team.

[Black Mage]

Ok, If we are bringing back KJ Martin (which I applaud), are we signing him with the intention of him being part of this team and part of the rotation? Once again, we knew what kind of team Nick Nurse was eventually going to field. He wants switchable, versatile players who are athletes out there on the floor. It's why we kept Ricky Council once we discovered the gem that he was. KJ Martin did some good things for us last season when he had opportunities. He can't shoot, we know this, but he can defend, he's a high flying athlete, and he can crash the boards. Yeah...We might sign him with the intention of just trading him, but I hope he can actually stick and become something for us.

No. The Sixers can overpay him to create a 1 yr guaranteed contract that they can use after January 15th to trade for another asset. Doing it this way avoids the CBA's rules that would otherwise hardcap them which restricts what they can/can't do. Spelled out:

Sixers sign & trade KJ now - activates hardcap & hardcap penalties

Sixers sign KJ now - trade him in January - hardcap penalties are not triggered.

If the Sixers don't overpay him now - they won't have a tradable contract to match salaries with come January. This would also activate a hardcap and penalties.

Yeah man, I realize all that. I'm saying that even though that is probably the plan, I'm not putting it past him to actually be able to contribute to this team.

Ah, the answer is still no. There's no chance we'll pay him something like 15 mil when guys who are more established and better right now are getting half that. Plus, whoever we target in that price range (Portis, Boucher, Bogdan) are likely going to be much better right now; even if there was some improvement by KJ.

Plus, if KJ DID show improvement, I think all that does it make Morey aim higher on the type of guy he targets for a trade; i.e. upgrade from a Portis lvl to a Lauri lvl type player.

[76ciology]

Regarding GB talking down the Sixers, I'm okay with them underrating us. I'd rather exceed expectations than convince everyone we're the best team in the league and then face their hot takes again if we start slow.

I’d rather be the hunter than the hunted.

[Black Mage]

Regarding GB talking down the Sixers, I'm okay with them underrating us. I'd rather exceed expectations than convince everyone we're the best team in the league and then face their hot takes again if we start slow.

I’d rather be the hunter than the hunted.

Best off ignoring the GB. Even though they talk us down; the minute Joel struggles they'll flip the script and act like GB had us pegged as the best team since MJ's squads.

[Murray_17]

I imagine Morey was aware we wouldn’t have any tradable contracts, but not sure how long he knew about the KJ Martin situation. Probably a lot of luck and some foresight.

I mean, even if they didn't plan for it or knew. The fact every cap sheet expert has been talking about it is an indication they should do it and adapt.

[ckchen]

Typically when you name targets, you don't expect to get all of them, so you form a list that is greater than the number of spots that you have available.

I get it, but people listing them off like we're going to sign 5 guys. Personally I think assuming we resign KJ, at least one PG (Lowry or Pat Bev), the other two should probably be some type of actual PFs, I don't see how they can possibly get away with playing Martin at PF for long stretches for the entire season.

I would take a look at a waiver claim of Alek Pokusevski who was on a minimum deal anyway. I'm resigned to thinking they will probably just end up signing Marcus Morris.

[jstross]

Marcus Morris is who I want. Not sexy, but he can give gritty minutes a stacked team like the Sixers need.

Typically when you name targets, you don't expect to get all of them, so you form a list that is greater than the number of spots that you have available.

I get it, but people listing them off like we're going to sign 5 guys. Personally I think assuming we resign KJ, at least one PG (Lowry or Pat Bev), the other two should probably be some type of actual PFs, I don't see how they can possibly get away with playing Martin at PF for long stretches for the entire season.

I would take a look at a waiver claim of Alek Pokusevski who was on a minimum deal anyway. I'm resigned to thinking they will probably just end up signing Marcus Morris.

[FireMorey]

[Black Mage]

Looks like PG13 is now PG8. At least if you believe recent Sixers tweets.

[76ciology]

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[Doramas]

Regarding GB talking down the Sixers, I'm okay with them underrating us. I'd rather exceed expectations than convince everyone we're the best team in the league and then face their hot takes again if we start slow.

I’d rather be the hunter than the hunted.

Who is GB? Sorry, but I don't know who you're talking about

[76ciology]

Regarding GB talking down the Sixers, I'm okay with them underrating us. I'd rather exceed expectations than convince everyone we're the best team in the league and then face their hot takes again if we start slow.

I’d rather be the hunter than the hunted.

Who is GB? Sorry, but I don't know who you're talking about

General Board

[ivysixer2000]

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I missed alot of games without Jojo but I wish I would've watched them to see Ricky. When he was at Arkansas, we would be waiting on a Ricky dunk every game. He would not disappoint. Ricky will dunk on you so hard, he will make yo moma run out on the court to check on you.

Ricky doesn't a passive bone in his body. If your the least bit weak, you better get out the way. I do like to see him developing that shot also, hope to see more from him this year.

[LeonJordanJr24]

We need a PF badly

[76ciology]

We need a PF badly

I wouldn’t say badly.

Jayson Tatum played 74 regular-season games for the Celtics, spending 72% of his time at power forward. In the playoffs, he played every game and spent 92% of his time at power forward. The Celtics dominated in both the regular season and the playoffs.

Paul George has similar size to Al Horford, suggesting that we might already be playing a double-big lineup with him at power forward. And we can play small or fast with Kelly Oubre or Caleb Martin at power forward. If this approach doesn’t work, we can use the KJ Martin contract and picks to acquire a PF during the season. For now, I think we’re fine.

[ivysixer2000]

We need a PF badly

I wouldn’t say badly.

Jayson Tatum played 74 regular-season games for the Celtics, spending 72% of his time at power forward. In the playoffs, he played every game and spent 92% of his time at power forward. The Celtics dominated in both the regular season and the playoffs.

Paul George has similar size to Al Horford, suggesting that we might already be playing a double-big lineup with him at power forward. And we can play small or fast with Kelly Oubre or Caleb Martin at power forward. If this approach doesn’t work, we can use the KJ Martin contract and picks to acquire a PF during the season. For now, I think we’re fine.

I am concerned about having another big, cause of injury concerns with Joho. There is noway around it, he will miss games even for rest. We would have Drummond, then what?

I didn't like Reed at all, but at least he was a warm body. I would prefer us have another warm body if/when Jojo sits, at a cheaper price obviously as Reed was well overpaid for his skill level.

[76ciology]

We need a PF badly

I wouldn’t say badly.

Jayson Tatum played 74 regular-season games for the Celtics, spending 72% of his time at power forward. In the playoffs, he played every game and spent 92% of his time at power forward. The Celtics dominated in both the regular season and the playoffs.

Paul George has similar size to Al Horford, suggesting that we might already be playing a double-big lineup with him at power forward. And we can play small or fast with Kelly Oubre or Caleb Martin at power forward. If this approach doesn’t work, we can use the KJ Martin contract and picks to acquire a PF during the season. For now, I think we’re fine.

I am concerned about having another big, cause of injury concerns with Joho. There is noway around it, he will miss games even for rest. We would have Drummond, then what?

I didn't like Reed at all, but at least he was a warm body. I would prefer us have another warm body if/when Jojo sits, at a cheaper price obviously as Reed was well overpaid for his skill level.

We have Tony Bradley with the Summer League team, and I've always liked him. Additionally, there's Adem Bona, though I suspect he might not be ready to play in the short term.

Drummond’s probably the best back-up big in the entire league. He often plays like a star caliber center as a starter.

[Embiid P]

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Sounds like Pels would have tried to extract a hefty price had we struck out on PG13. At this point, what teams could even make that financial commitment?

Pelicans: We don't want to give this player a max contract... But we want a team to blow us away in a trade like they're trading for an elite player worthy of a max contract.

Kind of glad now that we signed PG otherwise Morey would have likely sold the farm for Ingram.

[kriss73]

Of all the vet FA, I would be very surprised if Lowry doesn't come back.He will be given the chance to play at home with a beloved coach and to compete for the title. I can't see how he will give up that opportunity for a couple of more millions.

Morris is a different story...he has incentives to play to his brother for example.
If Cov is healthy he will be re-signed by Morey: book it.
The last vet will be either someone with points form the bench (Dinwiddie, Hayward, TJ Warren) or a 3&(no)D from the wings such as Kennard or Bertans or Fournier or Shamet.

[76ciology]

In the new CBA, it's crucial to be cautious about handing out max contracts.

It's fitting to see George's $50M contract going to Maxey, while Maxey's $35M contract goes to George.