Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[stuporman]

Kings are Pacers west...

[Richard4444]

The Knicks are over the first apron. They can't take in more money than they send out. Ayton makes $34M this year. Mitch makes $14.3M. They don't have cap space to offer Precious $20M which I doubt they would if they could and are currently sitting at 12 players under contract and they must carry at least 14 players. Part of the cap space will be used to fill out the roster. Part may be saved to use with the $5.2M taxpayer MLE.

If you want Ayton you would have to include a bigger contract than Mitch or what is available to Precious or send out a significant portion of the rotation for 1 player while still finding a way to fill out the roster under the 2nd apron. Do you really want Ayton that bad?

I also believe Portland currently has a full 15 man roster. They can't do a 2 for 1 deal unless they cut someone or send them somewhere else and if that somewhere else is New York that is more money the Knicks would have to match.

Because the BYC rules, we count Precious salary in a trade as half of his real salary (if higher than his old 4,3M salary).

Thank you. Do you know if these numbers are correct?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/yearly

They currently show the Knicks at $169M for 12 players under contract but it doesn't seem to be counting Kolek's first year of $2M for some reason. If the number is actually $171M for 12 players that would leave $17-18M under the second apron? They could hold some of that space to use the $5.2 TMLE if someone is available that they like. Part of it could be used to sign another one of our second round picks to a contract as starting at as little as $1.4M and the rest could be spent on Precious if they chose to?

You have to add count Kolek" 's 2m first year and the unlikely bonuses (2,1 total). The payroll is about 173,1 for 12 players. Leave us with 15,8M of 2º apron room to get 2 or 3 players to fulfill the roster.

[Jonathan2347]

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[JayTWill]

Because the BYC rules, we count Precious salary in a trade as half of his real salary (if higher than his old 4,3M salary).

Thank you. Do you know if these numbers are correct?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/yearly

They currently show the Knicks at $169M for 12 players under contract but it doesn't seem to be counting Kolek's first year of $2M for some reason. If the number is actually $171M for 12 players that would leave $17-18M under the second apron? They could hold some of that space to use the $5.2 TMLE if someone is available that they like. Part of it could be used to sign another one of our second round picks to a contract as starting at as little as $1.4M and the rest could be spent on Precious if they chose to?

You have to add count Kolek" 's 2m first year and the unlikely bonuses (2,1 total). The payroll is about 173,1 for 12 players. Leave us with 15,8M of 2º apron room to get 2 or 3 players to fulfill the roster.

Thank you. As far as the BYC, lets say the Knicks had interest in Goga and his $7.7M contract and the Magic had interest in Kolek and his $2M contract to make the deal between the 2 teams someone like Precious could be included but he would have to make at least $11.4M (5.7 x 2) for it to be possible? The BYC rule applies at any time Precious is traded this season or only if he was traded immediately in a sign and trade? If this trade was attempted at the deadline the same 50% rule would apply? I don't even want to think about if the BYC rule applies to Goga also and his newly signed contract.

[Richard4444]

Thank you. Do you know if these numbers are correct?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/yearly

They currently show the Knicks at $169M for 12 players under contract but it doesn't seem to be counting Kolek's first year of $2M for some reason. If the number is actually $171M for 12 players that would leave $17-18M under the second apron? They could hold some of that space to use the $5.2 TMLE if someone is available that they like. Part of it could be used to sign another one of our second round picks to a contract as starting at as little as $1.4M and the rest could be spent on Precious if they chose to?

You have to add count Kolek" 's 2m first year and the unlikely bonuses (2,1 total). The payroll is about 173,1 for 12 players. Leave us with 15,8M of 2º apron room to get 2 or 3 players to fulfill the roster.

Thank you. As far as the BYC, lets say the Knicks had interest in Goga and his $7.7M contract and the Magic had interest in Kolek and his $2M contract to make the deal between the 2 teams someone like Precious could be included but he would have to make at least $11.4M (5.7 x 2) for it to be possible? The BYC rule applies at any time Precious is traded this season or only if he was traded immediately in a sign and trade? If this trade was attempted at the deadline the same 50% rule would apply? I don't even want to think about if the BYC rule applies to Goga also and his newly signed contract.

I don't think so. Only sign and trades.

[Richard4444]

Sixers waived Paul Reed, he seems like one of the better options left for a back up C, Knicks should go after him

This is also the same guy that was called out during the playoffs for saying the Knicks were the easier team to face
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/276562/Sixers-Waive-Paul-Reed

Hope he clears waivers.

[nykinoz]

Davis Bertans anyone?

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[Chanel Bomber]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

The Knicks didn't trade their future (IQ, RJ, 5 firsts) for OG and Mikal for them to be expandable.

They're only trading them for a MVP-type superstar.

Randle is the only player left on the roster that this regime didn't sign or trade for (along with Mitch). I think his days are numbered unless he's willing to take a significant discount that allows them to manage the books. I guess we'll see, that's just my read.

[Chanel Bomber]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

Why would we lose anybody because of money? Dolan ain’t cheap. I’ve seen that dude pay top dollar for bums like Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon, Jerome James, broken Penny Hardaway, Eddy Curry, etc. We’re good.

The cap rules have changed.

Having an owner that's not cheap won't help you avoid the second apron.

The Knicks can't have a (near) maxed-out OG, a maxed-out Brunson, Mikal (who they traded 5 first-round picks for) eligible for a max contract, AND also max out Randle, in addition to the other contracts that fill out the roster.

It will take a significant discount for Randle to stay in NY imo. I think the most likely scenario is they trade him before the trade deadline. I guess we'll see.

[thebuzzardman]

Did the Knicks execute their highly unrealistic trade yet?

[R-DAWG]

We could give Precious a 1+1 type contract with the second season being partially guaranteed or a team option and then at the trade deadline, we could combine Mitch and Precious for a guy like Ayton (using him as an example)…. There would be other guys in the $24m-$3-m range available as well to upgrade at Center.

The Knicks are over the first apron. They can't take in more money than they send out. Ayton makes $34M this year. Mitch makes $14.3M. They don't have cap space to offer Precious $20M which I doubt they would if they could and are currently sitting at 12 players under contract and they must carry at least 14 players. Part of the cap space will be used to fill out the roster. Part may be saved to use with the $5.2M taxpayer MLE.

If you want Ayton you would have to include a bigger contract than Mitch or what is available to Precious or send out a significant portion of the rotation for 1 player while still finding a way to fill out the roster under the 2nd apron. Do you really want Ayton that bad?

I also believe Portland currently has a full 15 man roster. They can't do a 2 for 1 deal unless they cut someone or send them somewhere else and if that somewhere else is New York that is more money the Knicks would have to match.

Not worth talking about then.

But the concept of giving Precious $10m for a year then having his contract, Mitch’s contract, and maybe one more contract to get a guy in the $20m+ range could be feasible if something presents itself. Leon and co plan well for these types of future looking scenarios.

Clint Capela fits in the 20mm target. If we signed Precious to a deal starting at $8mm Mitch + Precious for Capela would work under the cba.

But I don’t think this is an upgrade outside of Capelas durability. Pairing Capela + Mitch would be ideal here.

[spree8]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

Why would we lose anybody because of money? Dolan ain’t cheap. I’ve seen that dude pay top dollar for bums like Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon, Jerome James, broken Penny Hardaway, Eddy Curry, etc. We’re good.

The cap rules have changed.

Having an owner that's not cheap won't help you avoid the second apron.

The Knicks can't have a (near) maxed-out OG, a maxed-out Brunson, Mikal (who they traded 5 first-round picks for) eligible for a max contract, AND also max out Randle, in addition to the other contracts that fill out the roster.

It will take a significant discount for Randle to stay in NY imo. I think the most likely scenario is they trade him before the trade deadline. I guess we'll see.

2nd apron? That’s just this year. Randles extension won’t cause a problem this season for them to have to get off his contract at the deadline, and Jalen’s extension won’t be an issue now either. Mikal is locked in for two more seasons. I’m not seeing the issue that would cause us to panic over salary. Suns are far worse right now and they’re not making drastic changes

[robillionaire]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

The Knicks didn't trade their future (IQ, RJ, 5 firsts) for OG and Mikal for them to be expandable.

They're only trading them for a MVP-type superstar.

Randle is the only player left on the roster that this regime didn't sign or trade for (along with Mitch). I think his days are numbered unless he's willing to take a significant discount that allows them to manage the books. I guess we'll see, that's just my read.

They signed him to an extension

But yeah Mikal and OG would seem to be the most untouchable players imaginable

[R-DAWG]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

The Knicks didn't trade their future (IQ, RJ, 5 firsts) for OG and Mikal for them to be expandable.

They're only trading them for a MVP-type superstar.

Randle is the only player left on the roster that this regime didn't sign or trade for (along with Mitch). I think his days are numbered unless he's willing to take a significant discount that allows them to manage the books. I guess we'll see, that's just my read.

The problem is you’re not going to trade Randle for an upgrade.

The most realistic path this team has to land another top 20 player is Randle + OG + whatever picks they have available if a top 20 guy becomes available.

Or if you’re lucky Randle + Hart. We toyed around with a Randle + Hart + Precious for Towns discussion yesterday

Point being, outside of Brunson and most likely Bridges there shouldn’t be any untouchables on the roster. Like let’s be real here - if Giannis became available would NY not our Anunoby or Hart on the table?

[Chanel Bomber]

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

The Knicks didn't trade their future (IQ, RJ, 5 firsts) for OG and Mikal for them to be expandable.

They're only trading them for a MVP-type superstar.

Randle is the only player left on the roster that this regime didn't sign or trade for (along with Mitch). I think his days are numbered unless he's willing to take a significant discount that allows them to manage the books. I guess we'll see, that's just my read.

The problem is you’re not going to trade Randle for an upgrade.

The most realistic path this team has to land another top 20 player is Randle + OG + whatever picks they have available if a top 20 guy becomes available.

Or if you’re lucky Randle + Hart. We toyed around with a Randle + Hart + Precious for Towns discussion yesterday

Point being, outside of Brunson and most likely Bridges there shouldn’t be any untouchables on the roster. Like let’s be real here - if Giannis became available would NY not our Anunoby or Hart on the table?

You may not trade Randle for an upgrade but trading him for a rotation player and other assets is better than losing him for nothing or locking yourself in the second apron for multiple seasons.

The Knicks have been waiting for the superstar trade for 3 years and it never came. They have to plan for the possibility of it not happening before Randle's extension comes. Because then they'll be faced with the decision of locking a 30-31 year old Randle on a max or near-max contract and thus reaching the second apron, or losing him for nothing.

The Knicks can't afford either scenario.

[Chanel Bomber]

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

The Knicks didn't trade their future (IQ, RJ, 5 firsts) for OG and Mikal for them to be expandable.

They're only trading them for a MVP-type superstar.

Randle is the only player left on the roster that this regime didn't sign or trade for (along with Mitch). I think his days are numbered unless he's willing to take a significant discount that allows them to manage the books. I guess we'll see, that's just my read.

They signed him to an extension

But yeah Mikal and OG would seem to be the most untouchable players imaginable

Yes it's true but it was their first season and he was their most valuable piece at the time. They have since brought in and invested in players that assumedly rank higher on their list of priorities.

The CBA has also changed since.

I'd like for Randle to stay but with the new CBA rules I just don't see that as being likely and I think the Knicks might as well be proactive and plan for different scenarios.

Losing iHart for nothing was a blow and losing Randle would be too.

[robillionaire]

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

The Knicks didn't trade their future (IQ, RJ, 5 firsts) for OG and Mikal for them to be expandable.

They're only trading them for a MVP-type superstar.

Randle is the only player left on the roster that this regime didn't sign or trade for (along with Mitch). I think his days are numbered unless he's willing to take a significant discount that allows them to manage the books. I guess we'll see, that's just my read.

The problem is you’re not going to trade Randle for an upgrade.

The most realistic path this team has to land another top 20 player is Randle + OG + whatever picks they have available if a top 20 guy becomes available.

Or if you’re lucky Randle + Hart. We toyed around with a Randle + Hart + Precious for Towns discussion yesterday

Point being, outside of Brunson and most likely Bridges there shouldn’t be any untouchables on the roster. Like let’s be real here - if Giannis became available would NY not our Anunoby or Hart on the table?

If Giannis became available, which he won’t, the bucks are going to want 10 firsts or some rookie contract emerging stars, not Randle and Josh Hart. We aren’t getting a “1A” for these guys and frankly Brunson is already our 1A for the foreseeable future

I don’t see the team really wanting to package and trade hart or Donte. They could maybe flip Randle for another similar caliber all star who they think might fit better but it won’t be for a 1A

[Synciere]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

Why would we lose anybody because of money? Dolan ain’t cheap. I’ve seen that dude pay top dollar for bums like Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon, Jerome James, broken Penny Hardaway, Eddy Curry, etc. We’re good.

The cap rules have changed.

Having an owner that's not cheap won't help you avoid the second apron.

The Knicks can't have a (near) maxed-out OG, a maxed-out Brunson, Mikal (who they traded 5 first-round picks for) eligible for a max contract, AND also max out Randle, in addition to the other contracts that fill out the roster.

It will take a significant discount for Randle to stay in NY imo. I think the most likely scenario is they trade him before the trade deadline. I guess we'll see.

At this point everyone may have to take a discount. Were boxed in.

[movingon]

At this point everyone may have to take a discount. Were boxed in.

If we're talking about extending instead of hitting unrestricted free agency, then yes, everyone will have to take a discount.
But even for Jalen, we're still talking about a pretty big salary.

[KnixinSix]

Randle is the odd man out if we can't keep this core together.

If he can't play the 5, the team needs him less than the other key "big-contract" players on the team.

I think the FO should be proactive here. We can't lose him for nothing, but we can't risk losing other key players because of his next contract either.

OG, Bridges, Brunson, Hart (relative to his contract size) are more valuable than him. Even Mitch and Divo (relative to their contract size) are more valuable than him with the current roster construction.

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

The Knicks didn't trade their future (IQ, RJ, 5 firsts) for OG and Mikal for them to be expandable.

They're only trading them for a MVP-type superstar.

Randle is the only player left on the roster that this regime didn't sign or trade for (along with Mitch). I think his days are numbered unless he's willing to take a significant discount that allows them to manage the books. I guess we'll see, that's just my read.

Giannis time!!! Lol...

Giannis for Mitch, Randle, Duece, Dadiet and Det/Wash 2 FRPs

Probably not enough but let's put it out there. Randle is a big piece for a team that wants to stay relevant.