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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#121 » by Fencer reregistered » Mon Jul 1, 2024 5:31 am

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Hal14 wrote:Article about Watson with some quotes by Brad:
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/celtics-scheierman-watson-2024-nbadraft-picks-brad-stevens/#:~:text=Stevens%20excited%20about%20Watson's%20defensive,that%20end%20of%20the%20floor.

I find a couple of things interesting about Brad's comments about Watson:

a)

"Anton's strength and ability to move his feet laterally give him a chance to be one of these big, strong hybrid forwards that can switch and guard a lot of people"


Switch the name and Brad could have literally said the exact same thing word for word about Grant williams, Al horford and Xavier Tillman when Boston first acquired them.

This video touches on Grant Williams' defensive versatility, why Brad loved him so much when he was the coach..and why Grant was able to get consistent rotation mins as a rookie - on a team that went to ECF.



Grant's strength and quick feet helped him defensively - as well as being a high IQ defender who knows how to read the offensive player to know where he's gonna drive, is disciplined enough to not bite on fakes, is fearless in that he doesn't back down and isn't afraid of defending even the toughest scorers.

You could say all of that same stuff about Horford, Tillman and Watson.

b) Another quote from Brad in the article:

"I want him to come in here with the mindset that he's gonna let it fly like he's never let it fly before," said Stevens. "I think he's a better shooter than he sometimes thinks he is."


I know what you're thinking, Watson isn't that good of a shooter. Well, neither were Al, Grant and Tillman when they first arrived in Boston, as we see here:

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Al and Grant both ended up being elite shooters during their time in Boston.

Too soon to tell on Tillman, as he just got here at mid season - still hasn't gone through a full offseason or training camp with the team. But he did show flashes of improved shooting and more confidence in his shooting already since arriving in Boston.

But you look at the shooting development of Al, Grant as well as D-white, Jaylen and others after becoming a Celtic and it's clear that the org is good at developing their players shooting ability.

Watson is already starting off as a decent shooter coming in to Boston..and his shooting improved each year he was at Gonzaga.

Everybody keeps saying that Scheierman is a Hauser replacement. But what about Watson? It kind of seems like he could be a Grant replacement. And possibly (if he doesn't resign with Boston) a Tillman replacement (and even if Tillman does resign, maybe eventually he will get moved i Watson is coming along nicely and is ready for a larger role) and possibly (if things *really* come along nicely with Watson's development) perhaps down the road, he could be a Horford replacement, whenever he decides to retire.


Brad would have been a real jerk if he'd said that about Al, who was a 4x AS in Atlanta, when he first came to Boston. Fortunately, also, he didn't try to make a hybrid forward out of him.


Didn't Brad at one point encourage the whole Garden to repeatedly yell at a guy to shoot?

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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#122 » by redslastlaugh » Mon Jul 1, 2024 7:31 am

Celts are at 12 roster contracts at present and facing an estimated $48 million luxury tax bill.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/tax/_/year/2024/sort/tax_total

They are in a 4x multiplier on tax penalties (I believe) and need to add 2 more players to the roster to get to the minimum 14. Scheierman will be the 13th player and will make about $2.4 million.

Now I am beginning to wonder if Brad will actually consider just offering a roster contract to one of our recent 2nd round picks, particularly Anton Watson, using the second round pick exception to fill the 14th roster spot because I believe a roster contract for your own second round pick starts at $1.1 million.

So, while I’ve been assuming they will either sign back Tillman or a ring chasing veteran at the veterans minimum, they may just give a full roster contract to Anton Watson because the difference is about $5 million.

If the Celtics complete the roster by signing Scheierman and Watson and then call it a day, the luxury tax bill for next season would come in around $62-63 million.
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#123 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 1, 2024 9:32 am

redslastlaugh wrote:Celts are at 12 roster contracts at present and facing an estimated $48 million luxury tax bill.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/tax/_/year/2024/sort/tax_total

They are in a 4x multiplier on tax penalties (I believe) and need to add 2 more players to the roster to get to the minimum 14. Scheierman will be the 13th player and will make about $2.4 million.

Now I am beginning to wonder if Brad will actually consider just offering a roster contract to one of our recent 2nd round picks, particularly Anton Watson, using the second round pick exception to fill the 14th roster spot because I believe a roster contract for your own second round pick starts at $1.1 million.

So, while I’ve been assuming they will either sign back Tillman or a ring chasing veteran at the veterans minimum, they may just give a full roster contract to Anton Watson because the difference is about $5 million.

If the Celtics complete the roster by signing Scheierman and Watson and then call it a day, the luxury tax bill for next season would come in around $62-63 million.


Wyc and his fellow owners have shown that they aren't penny wise and pound foolish. Scheierman gets a guaranteed contract and Watson starts on a 2-way. Tillerman presumably is re-signed as well. I presume they'll try for Davison and Peterson to return on 2-ways as well.
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#124 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 11:45 am

I could see them giving Watson an NBA deal that doesn't become guaranteed until January. His salary would be $1M instead of the vet min of $2M. Saves like $5M in salary/tax.

Then you go Peterson, Davison and the UDFA kid as the 2-ways.

Holiday / Pritchard
White / Scheierman / Springer
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Walsh / Watson
Porzingis / Horford / Kornet / Queta / Tillman (or replacement)

2-ways: Peterson, Davison, UDFA
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Post#125 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 1, 2024 11:48 am

hugepatsfan wrote:I could see them giving Watson an NBA deal that doesn't become guaranteed until January. His salary would be $1M instead of the vet min of $2M. Saves like $5M in salary/tax.

Then you go Peterson, Davison and the UDFA kid as the 2-ways.

Holiday / Pritchard
White / Scheierman / Springer
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Walsh / Watson
Porzingis / Horford / Kornet / Queta / Tillman (or replacement)

2-ways: Peterson, Davison, UDFA


The UDFA kid has to really impress them over the next couple of months to go with that.
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#126 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jul 1, 2024 11:50 am

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hugepatsfan wrote:I could see them giving Watson an NBA deal that doesn't become guaranteed until January. His salary would be $1M instead of the vet min of $2M. Saves like $5M in salary/tax.

Then you go Peterson, Davison and the UDFA kid as the 2-ways.

Holiday / Pritchard
White / Scheierman / Springer
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Walsh / Watson
Porzingis / Horford / Kornet / Queta / Tillman (or replacement)

2-ways: Peterson, Davison, UDFA


The UDFA kid has to really impress them over the next couple of months to go with that.


Yeah, I didn't mean it was something they'd do RIGHT NOW. Most likely they'd bring him and Watson to camp on section 10 deals or whatever they're called where the guy doesn't have either an NBA or a 2-way deal.

I think they'll retain or replace Tillman with an NBA big and then they'll leave the 15th spot open unless there's a great value to be had.
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#127 » by cloverleaf » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:56 pm

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cloverleaf wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:I could see them giving Watson an NBA deal that doesn't become guaranteed until January. His salary would be $1M instead of the vet min of $2M. Saves like $5M in salary/tax.

Then you go Peterson, Davison and the UDFA kid as the 2-ways.

Holiday / Pritchard
White / Scheierman / Springer
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / Walsh / Watson
Porzingis / Horford / Kornet / Queta / Tillman (or replacement)

2-ways: Peterson, Davison, UDFA


The UDFA kid has to really impress them over the next couple of months to go with that.


Yeah, I didn't mean it was something they'd do RIGHT NOW. Most likely they'd bring him and Watson to camp on section 10 deals or whatever they're called where the guy doesn't have either an NBA or a 2-way deal.

I think they'll retain or replace Tillman with an NBA big and then they'll leave the 15th spot open unless there's a great value to be had.


That's how I see it too.
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#128 » by Shak_Celts » Fri Jul 5, 2024 6:23 pm

Every day I look at things on Watson and every day I wonder why people aren’t more excited about him.

I know I end up falling for any and everyone we pick up, especially rookies/young guys. In constantly wrong about them because of green tinted glasses. Still, I don’t get why more of you aren’t into him.

I know he’s slow and not a high flyer, I guess not a sexy play style, and he almost went UD. Is that why people aren’t as high on him?

I beg you, those who haven’t, do a deep dive on him like you did for players you wanted that were didn’t take. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Maybe it’s because people believe even his ceiling is solid role-player. Maybe that’s all he’ll ever be and I’m fine with that. I just see his ceiling being higher if his athleticism doesn’t stop him.

He has signs of being an Al Horford, or Jrue/Dwhite. A utility guy. I won’t say he can master it like they have but man if he can?! We’ll be set!

Really, on any of these guys, I’m hoping Brad is naturally great at choosing rookie talent like he is at trading/team building. New owners are going to be broke broke if he is. I’m not seeing any proof that he is, but it’s still early, I like who he’s choosing (after I look them up).

Again, do a deep dive on Watson, the scouts and teams may have slept one! :lol:
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#129 » by Half-Full » Fri Jul 5, 2024 7:18 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:Every day I look at things on Watson and every day I wonder why people aren’t more excited about him.

I know I end up falling for any and everyone we pick up, especially rookies/young guys. In constantly wrong about them because of green tinted glasses. Still, I don’t get why more of you aren’t into him.

I know he’s slow and not a high flyer, I guess not a sexy play style, and he almost went UD. Is that why people aren’t as high on him?

I beg you, those who haven’t, do a deep dive on him like you did for players you wanted that were didn’t take. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Maybe it’s because people believe even his ceiling is solid role-player. Maybe that’s all he’ll ever be and I’m fine with that. I just see his ceiling being higher if his athleticism doesn’t stop him.

He has signs of being an Al Horford, or Jrue/Dwhite. A utility guy. I won’t say he can master it like they have but man if he can?! We’ll be set!

Really, on any of these guys, I’m hoping Brad is naturally great at choosing rookie talent like he is at trading/team building. New owners are going to be broke broke if he is. I’m not seeing any proof that he is, but it’s still early, I like who he’s choosing (after I look them up).

Again, do a deep dive on Watson, the scouts and teams may have slept one! :lol:


I'm with you. Watson is a very well rounded player who spent 5 years in a top college program, progressing each year. While he may not be a knock down shooter, everything else he brings to the table is impressive. Rebounding, passing, hustling for loose balls, forcing turnovers... strong all around play. And while he isn't a knock down shooter, he does find ways to score. In transition, scoop shots/floaters, put backs. A heady player for sure. I've said it before, but I feel very confident that he is NBA ready, and that we will see him contributing sooner rather than later.
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Post#130 » by cloverleaf » Fri Jul 5, 2024 8:56 pm

I'm curious/excited about Watson as well. I see him as on a 2-way but earning time in Boston pretty much from the start. I think he'll get more minutes this year than Walsh, for example.

He's got a rookie's best friend with his D, but also a second rookie's best friend with the GM already encouraging him to shoot more.
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Post#132 » by Gant » Sun Jul 7, 2024 1:43 pm

Theoretically, if ALL of the following happen, Watson could make the regular roster:

1) Watson plays just great in summer league and earns it, which is quite a long-shot for the 54th pick.

2) Not one, but two other guys look so good in summer league the Celtics must give them 2 ways. That would eat up all three 2 way spots. Davison and Enaruna are most likely.

3) Brissett must decide to go elsewhere, or at least be so undecided the Celtics can't wait for him.

There's no need to promote Watson immediately if all these things don't happen as they can suit him with up the big club for 50 games anyway.
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Post#133 » by 165bows » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:03 pm

Gant wrote:Theoretically, if ALL of the following happen, Watson could make the regular roster:

1) Watson plays just great in summer league and earns it, which is quite a long-shot for the 54th pick.

2) Not one, but two other guys look so good in summer league the Celtics must give them 2 ways. That would eat up all three 2 way spots. Davison and Enaruna are most likely.

3) Brissett must decide to go elsewhere, or at least be so undecided the Celtics can't wait for him.

There's no need to promote Watson immediately if all these things don't happen as they can suit him with up the big club for 50 games anyway.

It’s a good point they could have Watson+JD plus 2 more 2-way guys for the price of Brissett and 2 2-way guys.

Watson wouldn’t need to even be showing out imo for that preference to win out.
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Post#134 » by hugepatsfan » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:13 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:Every day I look at things on Watson and every day I wonder why people aren’t more excited about him.

I know I end up falling for any and everyone we pick up, especially rookies/young guys. In constantly wrong about them because of green tinted glasses. Still, I don’t get why more of you aren’t into him.

I know he’s slow and not a high flyer, I guess not a sexy play style, and he almost went UD. Is that why people aren’t as high on him?

I beg you, those who haven’t, do a deep dive on him like you did for players you wanted that were didn’t take. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Maybe it’s because people believe even his ceiling is solid role-player. Maybe that’s all he’ll ever be and I’m fine with that. I just see his ceiling being higher if his athleticism doesn’t stop him.

He has signs of being an Al Horford, or Jrue/Dwhite. A utility guy. I won’t say he can master it like they have but man if he can?! We’ll be set!

Really, on any of these guys, I’m hoping Brad is naturally great at choosing rookie talent like he is at trading/team building. New owners are going to be broke broke if he is. I’m not seeing any proof that he is, but it’s still early, I like who he’s choosing (after I look them up).

Again, do a deep dive on Watson, the scouts and teams may have slept one! :lol:


I’m excited about him relative to where he was drafted. Seems like he’s got a great chance to stick on the roster. I’m just skeptical that he’s going to be able to ever be a core rotation piece. I just see a few deficiencies in his game of being a non shooter, not a rim protector, and probably lacking the athleticism to be a top notch perimeter defender. That just screams to me the type of guy who even if he can play regular season minutes for you, one of the guys that will get dropped for the playoff rotation.

That would be a huge home run for a pick this late though, and I see a lot of potential for it with him. Let’s just look at Brissett last year. He averaged 11.5 minutes per game in 55 contests. In 2/3 of our games he played 1/4 of the game for us. And he did that with all of Tatum/Brown/White/Holiday/Hauser/Pritchard being pretty healthy. That’s not a nothing role. Even if he wasn’t in the playoff rotation, being able to get competency in those minutes is important for seeding. If Watson can just prove capable enough for that type of role and fill it on a rookie minimum for multiple years, that’s a big time team building win.

Ultimately though, there’s just only so much “excitement” to be shown for someone I’m projecting to a role like that.
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#135 » by darrendaye » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:36 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:Every day I look at things on Watson and every day I wonder why people aren’t more excited about him.

I know I end up falling for any and everyone we pick up, especially rookies/young guys. In constantly wrong about them because of green tinted glasses. Still, I don’t get why more of you aren’t into him.

I know he’s slow and not a high flyer, I guess not a sexy play style, and he almost went UD. Is that why people aren’t as high on him?

I beg you, those who haven’t, do a deep dive on him like you did for players you wanted that were didn’t take. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Maybe it’s because people believe even his ceiling is solid role-player. Maybe that’s all he’ll ever be and I’m fine with that. I just see his ceiling being higher if his athleticism doesn’t stop him.

He has signs of being an Al Horford, or Jrue/Dwhite. A utility guy. I won’t say he can master it like they have but man if he can?! We’ll be set!

Really, on any of these guys, I’m hoping Brad is naturally great at choosing rookie talent like he is at trading/team building. New owners are going to be broke broke if he is. I’m not seeing any proof that he is, but it’s still early, I like who he’s choosing (after I look them up).

Again, do a deep dive on Watson, the scouts and teams may have slept one! :lol:


I’m excited about him relative to where he was drafted. Seems like he’s got a great chance to stick on the roster. I’m just skeptical that he’s going to be able to ever be a core rotation piece. I just see a few deficiencies in his game of being a non shooter, not a rim protector, and probably lacking the athleticism to be a top notch perimeter defender. That just screams to me the type of guy who even if he can play regular season minutes for you, one of the guys that will get dropped for the playoff rotation.

That would be a huge home run for a pick this late though, and I see a lot of potential for it with him. Let’s just look at Brissett last year. He averaged 11.5 minutes per game in 55 contests. In 2/3 of our games he played 1/4 of the game for us. And he did that with all of Tatum/Brown/White/Holiday/Hauser/Pritchard being pretty healthy. That’s not a nothing role. Even if he wasn’t in the playoff rotation, being able to get competency in those minutes is important for seeding. If Watson can just prove capable enough for that type of role and fill it on a rookie minimum for multiple years, that’s a big time team building win.

Ultimately though, there’s just only so much “excitement” to be shown for someone I’m projecting to a role like that.


Really it comes down to his ability to find success hitting spot up 3's. We know the role/prototype here: Semi, Grant, Tillman. The guys Tatum and Brown will give a little shove to "take that guy" when they're feeling it in their legs a little.
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Post#136 » by playa-hater » Sun Jul 7, 2024 3:18 pm

In watching a few videos, I never would have guessed.Watson has a near forty inch vertical.. Verticals for a power player are much more important in my opinion for Is finishing abilities.. He seems pretty well rounded in all aspects of the game.. Maybe just maybe he is a gem like some people have hinted..
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Post#137 » by darrendaye » Sun Jul 7, 2024 4:02 pm

playa-hater wrote:In watching a few videos, I never would have guessed.Watson has a near forty inch vertical.. Verticals for a power player are much more important in my opinion for Is finishing abilities.. He seems pretty well rounded in all aspects of the game.. Maybe just maybe he is a gem like some people have hinted..


Where are you seeing the vertical in that range? Sites are noting a 32.5" max vertical, with 27" standing.
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Post#138 » by return2glory » Sun Jul 7, 2024 4:09 pm

playa-hater wrote:In watching a few videos, I never would have guessed.Watson has a near forty inch vertical.. Verticals for a power player are much more important in my opinion for Is finishing abilities.. He seems pretty well rounded in all aspects of the game.. Maybe just maybe he is a gem like some people have hinted..


Yes, he was my main sleeper in this draft. He is the player than I watched play the most last season in all of NCAA. Saw him play in person the year before. I felt he could have snuck in late in the 1st round. He is a player than can do a lot of things well. Score, rebound, pass and defend. With all that being said, people here shouldn't over hype Watson. Let him surprise you because he will. Especially for where he went in the draft. I feel he still has room to develop. Loved this pick by Brad.
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Post#139 » by Shak_Celts » Sun Jul 7, 2024 4:32 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:Every day I look at things on Watson and every day I wonder why people aren’t more excited about him.

I know I end up falling for any and everyone we pick up, especially rookies/young guys. In constantly wrong about them because of green tinted glasses. Still, I don’t get why more of you aren’t into him.

I know he’s slow and not a high flyer, I guess not a sexy play style, and he almost went UD. Is that why people aren’t as high on him?

I beg you, those who haven’t, do a deep dive on him like you did for players you wanted that were didn’t take. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

Maybe it’s because people believe even his ceiling is solid role-player. Maybe that’s all he’ll ever be and I’m fine with that. I just see his ceiling being higher if his athleticism doesn’t stop him.

He has signs of being an Al Horford, or Jrue/Dwhite. A utility guy. I won’t say he can master it like they have but man if he can?! We’ll be set!

Really, on any of these guys, I’m hoping Brad is naturally great at choosing rookie talent like he is at trading/team building. New owners are going to be broke broke if he is. I’m not seeing any proof that he is, but it’s still early, I like who he’s choosing (after I look them up).

Again, do a deep dive on Watson, the scouts and teams may have slept one! :lol:


I’m excited about him relative to where he was drafted. Seems like he’s got a great chance to stick on the roster. I’m just skeptical that he’s going to be able to ever be a core rotation piece. I just see a few deficiencies in his game of being a non shooter, not a rim protector, and probably lacking the athleticism to be a top notch perimeter defender. That just screams to me the type of guy who even if he can play regular season minutes for you, one of the guys that will get dropped for the playoff rotation.

That would be a huge home run for a pick this late though, and I see a lot of potential for it with him. Let’s just look at Brissett last year. He averaged 11.5 minutes per game in 55 contests. In 2/3 of our games he played 1/4 of the game for us. And he did that with all of Tatum/Brown/White/Holiday/Hauser/Pritchard being pretty healthy. That’s not a nothing role. Even if he wasn’t in the playoff rotation, being able to get competency in those minutes is important for seeding. If Watson can just prove capable enough for that type of role and fill it on a rookie minimum for multiple years, that’s a big time team building win.

Ultimately though, there’s just only so much “excitement” to be shown for someone I’m projecting to a role like that.


How is he a non-shooter? Because he doesn’t take a lot of 3s? Brad thinks he’s a shooter. I’m not going to pretend I know a lot but he hit all types of shots. He uses the glass well and has touch. Seen step-backs, midrange, fadeaway, hookshots, and floaters. I’m sure there is someone better to explain it but he could hit from some of everywhere. Needs consistency and not be afraid of his talent. Before the draft there are videos of him talking about confidence in his shot, then Brad said the same after the draft.


S/N: I’m a Celts fan, of course I’m going to overrate the guy!! I’m also not going to overrate him in that, I know it’s unlikely he’s an NBA player, but I’m just saying he has a lot of things that look like an NBA player. There are many factors that can hold a player back. He’s the next Al Horford, but that’s wishes, I don’t believe he’s that.

(We have Luka Scheierman and Walsh Leonard, we also have an Al Watson! :lol:)
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Post#140 » by sam_I_am » Sun Jul 7, 2024 4:47 pm

I think of Ryan Gomes when I see him. Their games are different but solid all around players old enough to possibly be ready to contribute early on - which Gomes was able to do. If he can have that type of career we will be happy with his contribution for a little while.
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