Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[3toheadmelo]

Why would we lose anybody because of money? Dolan ain’t cheap. I’ve seen that dude pay top dollar for bums like Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon, Jerome James, broken Penny Hardaway, Eddy Curry, etc. We’re good.

The cap rules have changed.

Having an owner that's not cheap won't help you avoid the second apron.

The Knicks can't have a (near) maxed-out OG, a maxed-out Brunson, Mikal (who they traded 5 first-round picks for) eligible for a max contract, AND also max out Randle, in addition to the other contracts that fill out the roster.

It will take a significant discount for Randle to stay in NY imo. I think the most likely scenario is they trade him before the trade deadline. I guess we'll see.

2nd apron? That’s just this year. Randles extension won’t cause a problem this season for them to have to get off his contract at the deadline, and Jalen’s extension won’t be an issue now either. Mikal is locked in for two more seasons. I’m not seeing the issue that would cause us to panic over salary. Suns are far worse right now and they’re not making drastic changes

Chanel trying to tear the team apart since Burks won’t be here for the championship wow

[KnixinSix]

Did the Knicks execute their highly unrealistic trade yet?

Yes they Bridged the gap from Brooklyn to Manhattan!

[Chanel Bomber]

Why would we lose anybody because of money? Dolan ain’t cheap. I’ve seen that dude pay top dollar for bums like Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Clarence Weatherspoon, Jerome James, broken Penny Hardaway, Eddy Curry, etc. We’re good.

The cap rules have changed.

Having an owner that's not cheap won't help you avoid the second apron.

The Knicks can't have a (near) maxed-out OG, a maxed-out Brunson, Mikal (who they traded 5 first-round picks for) eligible for a max contract, AND also max out Randle, in addition to the other contracts that fill out the roster.

It will take a significant discount for Randle to stay in NY imo. I think the most likely scenario is they trade him before the trade deadline. I guess we'll see.

2nd apron? That’s just this year. Randles extension won’t cause a problem this season for them to have to get off his contract at the deadline, and Jalen’s extension won’t be an issue now either. Mikal is locked in for two more seasons. I’m not seeing the issue that would cause us to panic over salary. Suns are far worse right now and they’re not making drastic changes

And the Suns will pay the price for it. They're one of the worst-run organizations for a reason - they didn't manage their contracts and now they are in deep trouble. Is this what you want the Knicks to mimmick?

Brunson has a player option at the end of this season. Which means he may earn approximately 20 million more next year. Same for Randle. Then Mikal is eligible for a similar bump the following summer.

If you have Randle on the books for a near-max as of next summer, you may not have the ability to keep Mikal in the summer of 2026. And losing the guy you traded 5 picks for would be catastrophic. So it would seem that the best course of action would be to prevent that by proactively seeking to get value back for Randle in a way that you can keep Brunson, OG and Mikal. At 31 Randle's next contract may be an albatross and you can't afford that the new CBA.

[KnixinSix]

The cap rules have changed.

Having an owner that's not cheap won't help you avoid the second apron.

The Knicks can't have a (near) maxed-out OG, a maxed-out Brunson, Mikal (who they traded 5 first-round picks for) eligible for a max contract, AND also max out Randle, in addition to the other contracts that fill out the roster.

It will take a significant discount for Randle to stay in NY imo. I think the most likely scenario is they trade him before the trade deadline. I guess we'll see.

2nd apron? That’s just this year. Randles extension won’t cause a problem this season for them to have to get off his contract at the deadline, and Jalen’s extension won’t be an issue now either. Mikal is locked in for two more seasons. I’m not seeing the issue that would cause us to panic over salary. Suns are far worse right now and they’re not making drastic changes

And the Suns will pay the price for it. They're one of the worst-run organizations for a reason - they didn't manage their contracts and now they are in deep trouble. Is this what you want the Knicks to mimmick?

Brunson has a player option at the end of this season. Which means he may earn approximately 20 million more next year. Same for Randle. Then Mikal is eligible for a similar bump the following summer.

If you have Randle on the books for a near-max as of next summer, you may not have the ability to keep Mikal in the summer of 2026. And losing the guy you traded 5 picks for would be catastrophic. So it would seem that the best course of action would be to prevent that by proactively seeking to get value back for Randle in a way that you can keep Brunson, OG and Mikal. At 31 Randle's next contract may be an albatross and you can't afford that the new CBA.

It certainly seems like the Nova quartet (+ OG) is the core. Anyone else is a bit more expendable.

[Spree2Houston]

If we’re able to avoid the aprons, can we trade Randle and Mitch for KAT at next year’s trade deadline? Not a fan of KAT but Mikal and Brunson are due for extensions and we might be better off consolidating Randle and Mitch in a trade for an All Star Center. Anthony Davis would be plan B if Lakers decide to blow it up

[aggo]

Go get Evan mobley

[Synciere]

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

The Knicks didn't trade their future (IQ, RJ, 5 firsts) for OG and Mikal for them to be expandable.

They're only trading them for a MVP-type superstar.

Randle is the only player left on the roster that this regime didn't sign or trade for (along with Mitch). I think his days are numbered unless he's willing to take a significant discount that allows them to manage the books. I guess we'll see, that's just my read.

Giannis time!!! Lol...

Giannis for Mitch, Randle, Duece, Dadiet and Det/Wash 2 FRPs

Probably not enough but let's put it out there. Randle is a big piece for a team that wants to stay relevant.

Damn we haven’t seen this current team play a single game and we’re already/still looking for that star player?

I think that ship has sailed. We don’t have the youth nor draft capital anymore.

[spree8]

The cap rules have changed.

Having an owner that's not cheap won't help you avoid the second apron.

The Knicks can't have a (near) maxed-out OG, a maxed-out Brunson, Mikal (who they traded 5 first-round picks for) eligible for a max contract, AND also max out Randle, in addition to the other contracts that fill out the roster.

It will take a significant discount for Randle to stay in NY imo. I think the most likely scenario is they trade him before the trade deadline. I guess we'll see.

2nd apron? That’s just this year. Randles extension won’t cause a problem this season for them to have to get off his contract at the deadline, and Jalen’s extension won’t be an issue now either. Mikal is locked in for two more seasons. I’m not seeing the issue that would cause us to panic over salary. Suns are far worse right now and they’re not making drastic changes

And the Suns will pay the price for it. They're one of the worst-run organizations for a reason - they didn't manage their contracts and now they are in deep trouble. Is this what you want the Knicks to mimmick?

Brunson has a player option at the end of this season. Which means he may earn approximately 20 million more next year. Same for Randle. Then Mikal is eligible for a similar bump the following summer.

If you have Randle on the books for a near-max as of next summer, you may not have the ability to keep Mikal in the summer of 2026. And losing the guy you traded 5 picks for would be catastrophic. So it would seem that the best course of action would be to prevent that by proactively seeking to get value back for Randle in a way that you can keep Brunson, OG and Mikal. At 31 Randle's next contract may be an albatross and you can't afford that the new CBA.

I’m still not understanding your fear tho. But for starters, we aren’t going to mimick the Suns because we’re built in a far superior way. I only referenced their high team salary because I think you’re too fearful of us having a high team salary, and I’m not sure why.

Why would we lose Mikal when we could re-sign or extend him just like Jalen and Julius? Outside of Dolan having to pay for the players, I’m not understanding why you’re sounding an alarm? The salary cap is going to increase about 10% each year.





We extend Julius & Jalen. When the time comes we’ll extend Mikal too. We have all of our players locked in long-term. We’ll still have the tax MLE, vet mins, and draft picks to improve. We won’t have too many restrictions like this summer because we won’t have to make major moves. We’re pretty much almost set.

[BigJimFinn]

Roka, Vaulet , Kolek perimeter….just skip the season and give us our banners

Don't forget you got Petteri Koponen too!
Would make history as the first rookie with a hip replacement.

[Besart19]

If we are being honest - either OG or Hart is going to be the odd man out in 2 years when the Bridges contract rolls.

Randle might not be the long term solution (which creates issues since the assets left to upgrade from him are between limited and non existent) but this team will hit its apex if Bridges is the #3

So I think deadline conversations will be Randle + Hart or OG + Randle to grab a 1A type.

The Knicks didn't trade their future (IQ, RJ, 5 firsts) for OG and Mikal for them to be expandable.

They're only trading them for a MVP-type superstar.

Randle is the only player left on the roster that this regime didn't sign or trade for (along with Mitch). I think his days are numbered unless he's willing to take a significant discount that allows them to manage the books. I guess we'll see, that's just my read.

Giannis time!!! Lol...

Giannis for Mitch, Randle, Duece, Dadiet and Det/Wash 2 FRPs

Probably not enough but let's put it out there. Randle is a big piece for a team that wants to stay relevant.

Giannis / Hukporti
Anunoby / Achiuwa
Bridges / Hart
Donte / McCuller
Brunson / Kolek

and 4-5 ring chasing veterans

are you ready?!

[Richard4444]

The cap rules have changed.

Having an owner that's not cheap won't help you avoid the second apron.

The Knicks can't have a (near) maxed-out OG, a maxed-out Brunson, Mikal (who they traded 5 first-round picks for) eligible for a max contract, AND also max out Randle, in addition to the other contracts that fill out the roster.

It will take a significant discount for Randle to stay in NY imo. I think the most likely scenario is they trade him before the trade deadline. I guess we'll see.

2nd apron? That’s just this year. Randles extension won’t cause a problem this season for them to have to get off his contract at the deadline, and Jalen’s extension won’t be an issue now either. Mikal is locked in for two more seasons. I’m not seeing the issue that would cause us to panic over salary. Suns are far worse right now and they’re not making drastic changes

And the Suns will pay the price for it. They're one of the worst-run organizations for a reason - they didn't manage their contracts and now they are in deep trouble. Is this what you want the Knicks to mimmick?

Brunson has a player option at the end of this season. Which means he may earn approximately 20 million more next year. Same for Randle. Then Mikal is eligible for a similar bump the following summer.

If you have Randle on the books for a near-max as of next summer, you may not have the ability to keep Mikal in the summer of 2026. And losing the guy you traded 5 picks for would be catastrophic. So it would seem that the best course of action would be to prevent that by proactively seeking to get value back for Randle in a way that you can keep Brunson, OG and Mikal. At 31 Randle's next contract may be an albatross and you can't afford that the new CBA.

I think the Knicks will spend the money if they are competitive.

We are one of the richest teams and we are not paying luxury taxes for 10 years. I think we can afford a crazy amount for some seasons.

Dolan will be killed by the press if he weakens the team to save money when the franchise has a real shot.
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[Jeffrey]

Davis Bertans anyone?

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May as well roll the dice with Luke Kennard.

[Knick4Real]

2nd apron? That’s just this year. Randles extension won’t cause a problem this season for them to have to get off his contract at the deadline, and Jalen’s extension won’t be an issue now either. Mikal is locked in for two more seasons. I’m not seeing the issue that would cause us to panic over salary. Suns are far worse right now and they’re not making drastic changes

And the Suns will pay the price for it. They're one of the worst-run organizations for a reason - they didn't manage their contracts and now they are in deep trouble. Is this what you want the Knicks to mimmick?

Brunson has a player option at the end of this season. Which means he may earn approximately 20 million more next year. Same for Randle. Then Mikal is eligible for a similar bump the following summer.

If you have Randle on the books for a near-max as of next summer, you may not have the ability to keep Mikal in the summer of 2026. And losing the guy you traded 5 picks for would be catastrophic. So it would seem that the best course of action would be to prevent that by proactively seeking to get value back for Randle in a way that you can keep Brunson, OG and Mikal. At 31 Randle's next contract may be an albatross and you can't afford that the new CBA.

It certainly seems like the Nova quartet (+ OG) is the core. Anyone else is a bit more expendable.

THIS!

If Brunson is our "star" player, there's no way he would ever let the KNICKS trade any of his best friends away. Nova gang is here as long as JB is here. They're basically a package deal at this point.

We gave up a ton of assets for OG and Mikal, so they're going nowhere for a while.

The remaining players are Mitch, Deuce, Julius, and a bunch of rookies.

By process of elimination, Mitch, Deuce, and Julius are the expendable contracts IF we had to make a big trade or needed to stay under the apron with the new rules. Fans who think we can still have it all and pay everybody the max should start preparing themselves for the obvious.

[Richard4444]

Roka, Vaulet , Kolek perimeter….just skip the season and give us our banners

Don't forget you got Petteri Koponen too!
Would make history as the first rookie with a hip replacement.

We don't have a shot to land Giannis. Any team can beat us.

[FrozenEnvelope]

Thibs values rebounding and rim protection from his Cs so I'll be surprised I'd they don't go after Reed who excels in those areas. I know some will point to his comments about the fans and MSG but honestly, who cares? Most of you trash the team worse anyway! And he was abysmal in the playoffs but so was iHart.

But the year before, Reed had some good games including a 10p/15r vs Nets and a 10p/13r vs the Celtics.

[3toheadmelo]

Nets fans down bad

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[FrozenEnvelope]

The salary cap is going to keep going up and up so the aprons will also go up. They'll figure out a way to keep this core. Change is always inevitable but Leon and co. have been very creative so I'm not concerned.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I think a lot is going to depend how we look this year and if we still need another big piece. If we still need a major upgrade then it does seem like Randle would logically be the odd man out. A big year from Randle including coming thru in the playoffs would go a long ways to solidifying his future here.

The team is pretty much built perfectly for Randle and everything is set up for a great season. Will have to see how it goes

Knicks have danced around the cap beautifully though so have full trust that they know what they are doing

[Jeffrey]

If sh.it hits the fan next year and the Knicks fell below expectations... it's going to be S&T Randle and Mitch for a bigger target since a lot of the superstars haven't asked out yet?

[N Y K]

Go get Evan mobley