Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

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Completely memory holed Knicks legend Kyle O'Quinn...

[Chanel Bomber]

2nd apron? That’s just this year. Randles extension won’t cause a problem this season for them to have to get off his contract at the deadline, and Jalen’s extension won’t be an issue now either. Mikal is locked in for two more seasons. I’m not seeing the issue that would cause us to panic over salary. Suns are far worse right now and they’re not making drastic changes

And the Suns will pay the price for it. They're one of the worst-run organizations for a reason - they didn't manage their contracts and now they are in deep trouble. Is this what you want the Knicks to mimmick?

Brunson has a player option at the end of this season. Which means he may earn approximately 20 million more next year. Same for Randle. Then Mikal is eligible for a similar bump the following summer.

If you have Randle on the books for a near-max as of next summer, you may not have the ability to keep Mikal in the summer of 2026. And losing the guy you traded 5 picks for would be catastrophic. So it would seem that the best course of action would be to prevent that by proactively seeking to get value back for Randle in a way that you can keep Brunson, OG and Mikal. At 31 Randle's next contract may be an albatross and you can't afford that the new CBA.

I’m still not understanding your fear tho. But for starters, we aren’t going to mimick the Suns because we’re built in a far superior way. I only referenced their high team salary because I think you’re too fearful of us having a high team salary, and I’m not sure why.

Why would we lose Mikal when we could re-sign or extend him just like Jalen and Julius? Outside of Dolan having to pay for the players, I’m not understanding why you’re sounding an alarm? The salary cap is going to increase about 10% each year.





We extend Julius & Jalen. When the time comes we’ll extend Mikal too. We have all of our players locked in long-term. We’ll still have the tax MLE, vet mins, and draft picks to improve. We won’t have too many restrictions like this summer because we won’t have to make major moves. We’re pretty much almost set.

But player contracts proportionately will as well.

Brunson may earn approximately 55 mill annually starting next summer. Julius likely won't be taking less than OG, so that's another 40 mill on the books.

That's already 135 to 140 million for 3 players going into the 2025-26 season. Add in 20 mill for Hart, 12 mill for Mitch, 12 mill for Divo, and (roughly) 10 additional millions to fill out the roster, and you're just under the first apron, with a massive extension looming for Bridges that may take you over the second apron. And then you could be in dangerous territory as far as the penalties are concerned.

At that point, Randle will be 31-32 years old, and while he's been great for us the last two seasons, I think it's fair to ask whether or not he's worth the investment considering the risks it represents - both in terms of his play and our books. I think a case can be made that our best lineups will not feature Randle, for instance. Mikal and OG may prove to form our best duo at the forward spots (I expect them to).

I would love for Randle to stay if he sustains his level of play from the last two seasons and he re-signs on a team-friendly deal but the amount will be key and I think other avenues need to be explored as well.

[jvsimonetti0514]

It’s gonna be interesting to see Brunson actually extends this summer or not. That could alleviate some of the worst cap situation and allow us to bring everyone back. The cap and aprons are rising like 10% a year. As long as we don’t blow past the 2nd apron the cap could just end up catching us and solving itself.

[Richard4444]

Thibs values rebounding and rim protection from his Cs so I'll be surprised I'd they don't go after Reed who excels in those areas. I know some will point to his comments about the fans and MSG but honestly, who cares? Most of you trash the team worse anyway! And he was abysmal in the playoffs but so was iHart.

But the year before, Reed had some good games including a 10p/15r vs Nets and a 10p/13r vs the Celtics.

I think he will be our main target if he clears waivers...

[spree8]

And the Suns will pay the price for it. They're one of the worst-run organizations for a reason - they didn't manage their contracts and now they are in deep trouble. Is this what you want the Knicks to mimmick?

Brunson has a player option at the end of this season. Which means he may earn approximately 20 million more next year. Same for Randle. Then Mikal is eligible for a similar bump the following summer.

If you have Randle on the books for a near-max as of next summer, you may not have the ability to keep Mikal in the summer of 2026. And losing the guy you traded 5 picks for would be catastrophic. So it would seem that the best course of action would be to prevent that by proactively seeking to get value back for Randle in a way that you can keep Brunson, OG and Mikal. At 31 Randle's next contract may be an albatross and you can't afford that the new CBA.

I’m still not understanding your fear tho. But for starters, we aren’t going to mimick the Suns because we’re built in a far superior way. I only referenced their high team salary because I think you’re too fearful of us having a high team salary, and I’m not sure why.

Why would we lose Mikal when we could re-sign or extend him just like Jalen and Julius? Outside of Dolan having to pay for the players, I’m not understanding why you’re sounding an alarm? The salary cap is going to increase about 10% each year.





We extend Julius & Jalen. When the time comes we’ll extend Mikal too. We have all of our players locked in long-term. We’ll still have the tax MLE, vet mins, and draft picks to improve. We won’t have too many restrictions like this summer because we won’t have to make major moves. We’re pretty much almost set.

But player contracts proportionately will as well.

Brunson may earn approximately 55 mill annually starting next summer. Julius likely won't be taking less than OG, so that's another 40 mill on the books.

That's already 135 to 140 million for 3 players going into the 2025-26 season. Add in 20 mill for Hart, 12 mill for Mitch, 12 mill for Divo, and (roughly) 10 additional millions to fill out the roster, and you're just under the first apron, with a massive extension looming for Bridges that may take you over the second apron. And then you could be in dangerous territory as far as the penalties are concerned.

At that point, Randle will be 31-32 years old, and while he's been great for us the last two seasons, I think it's fair to ask whether or not he's worth the investment considering the risks it represents - both in terms of his play and our books. I think a case can be made that our best lineups will not feature Randle, for instance. Mikal and OG may prove to form our best duo at the forward spots (I expect them to).

I would love for Randle to stay if he sustains his level of play from the last two seasons and he re-signs on a team-friendly deal but the amount will be key and I think other avenues need to be explored as well.

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

[Fury]

I’m still not understanding your fear tho. But for starters, we aren’t going to mimick the Suns because we’re built in a far superior way. I only referenced their high team salary because I think you’re too fearful of us having a high team salary, and I’m not sure why.

Why would we lose Mikal when we could re-sign or extend him just like Jalen and Julius? Outside of Dolan having to pay for the players, I’m not understanding why you’re sounding an alarm? The salary cap is going to increase about 10% each year.





We extend Julius & Jalen. When the time comes we’ll extend Mikal too. We have all of our players locked in long-term. We’ll still have the tax MLE, vet mins, and draft picks to improve. We won’t have too many restrictions like this summer because we won’t have to make major moves. We’re pretty much almost set.

But player contracts proportionately will as well.

Brunson may earn approximately 55 mill annually starting next summer. Julius likely won't be taking less than OG, so that's another 40 mill on the books.

That's already 135 to 140 million for 3 players going into the 2025-26 season. Add in 20 mill for Hart, 12 mill for Mitch, 12 mill for Divo, and (roughly) 10 additional millions to fill out the roster, and you're just under the first apron, with a massive extension looming for Bridges that may take you over the second apron. And then you could be in dangerous territory as far as the penalties are concerned.

At that point, Randle will be 31-32 years old, and while he's been great for us the last two seasons, I think it's fair to ask whether or not he's worth the investment considering the risks it represents - both in terms of his play and our books. I think a case can be made that our best lineups will not feature Randle, for instance. Mikal and OG may prove to form our best duo at the forward spots (I expect them to).

I would love for Randle to stay if he sustains his level of play from the last two seasons and he re-signs on a team-friendly deal but the amount will be key and I think other avenues need to be explored as well.

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

1st round picks end up getting frozen and then eventually moved to the end of the 1st round.

[sol537]

Sign Reed for minimum. Sign Precious to a short term deal that can be used in trades later. Bring over all the 2nd rounders. And let’s get to work. The trade deadline will be there for upgrades. Maybe at some point Randle will be moved for younger pieces (Eason?)… let’s get to the grind starting with summer league. These boys are ready to try for a title. Boston, Philly, OKC, etc will be standing in their way. Let’s see if we have the mental fortitude which I think we do.

[spree8]

But player contracts proportionately will as well.

Brunson may earn approximately 55 mill annually starting next summer. Julius likely won't be taking less than OG, so that's another 40 mill on the books.

That's already 135 to 140 million for 3 players going into the 2025-26 season. Add in 20 mill for Hart, 12 mill for Mitch, 12 mill for Divo, and (roughly) 10 additional millions to fill out the roster, and you're just under the first apron, with a massive extension looming for Bridges that may take you over the second apron. And then you could be in dangerous territory as far as the penalties are concerned.

At that point, Randle will be 31-32 years old, and while he's been great for us the last two seasons, I think it's fair to ask whether or not he's worth the investment considering the risks it represents - both in terms of his play and our books. I think a case can be made that our best lineups will not feature Randle, for instance. Mikal and OG may prove to form our best duo at the forward spots (I expect them to).

I would love for Randle to stay if he sustains his level of play from the last two seasons and he re-signs on a team-friendly deal but the amount will be key and I think other avenues need to be explored as well.

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

1st round picks end up getting frozen and then eventually moved to the end of the 1st round.

We won’t be picking until the end of the first round anyway tho no?… every other year when we actually have a pick.

[Richard4444]

But player contracts proportionately will as well.

Brunson may earn approximately 55 mill annually starting next summer. Julius likely won't be taking less than OG, so that's another 40 mill on the books.

That's already 135 to 140 million for 3 players going into the 2025-26 season. Add in 20 mill for Hart, 12 mill for Mitch, 12 mill for Divo, and (roughly) 10 additional millions to fill out the roster, and you're just under the first apron, with a massive extension looming for Bridges that may take you over the second apron. And then you could be in dangerous territory as far as the penalties are concerned.

At that point, Randle will be 31-32 years old, and while he's been great for us the last two seasons, I think it's fair to ask whether or not he's worth the investment considering the risks it represents - both in terms of his play and our books. I think a case can be made that our best lineups will not feature Randle, for instance. Mikal and OG may prove to form our best duo at the forward spots (I expect them to).

I would love for Randle to stay if he sustains his level of play from the last two seasons and he re-signs on a team-friendly deal but the amount will be key and I think other avenues need to be explored as well.

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

1st round picks end up getting frozen and then eventually moved to the end of the 1st round.

That's not very logical.

Problem: If we over the second apron, we can not upgrade the team anymore (cant trade picks, and hard to make trades).

Solution: let's downgrade the team now cutting salaries!

[Fury]

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

1st round picks end up getting frozen and then eventually moved to the end of the 1st round.

We won’t be picking until the end of the first round anyway tho no?… every other year when we actually have a pick.

It just takes away flexibility and puts us in bad situations where like let’s say we want to cut salary, teams can use that penalty as leverage to take more picks from us. I think how Boston approaches the next two offseasons will tell us a lot.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Chanel Bomber]

I’m still not understanding your fear tho. But for starters, we aren’t going to mimick the Suns because we’re built in a far superior way. I only referenced their high team salary because I think you’re too fearful of us having a high team salary, and I’m not sure why.

Why would we lose Mikal when we could re-sign or extend him just like Jalen and Julius? Outside of Dolan having to pay for the players, I’m not understanding why you’re sounding an alarm? The salary cap is going to increase about 10% each year.





We extend Julius & Jalen. When the time comes we’ll extend Mikal too. We have all of our players locked in long-term. We’ll still have the tax MLE, vet mins, and draft picks to improve. We won’t have too many restrictions like this summer because we won’t have to make major moves. We’re pretty much almost set.

But player contracts proportionately will as well.

Brunson may earn approximately 55 mill annually starting next summer. Julius likely won't be taking less than OG, so that's another 40 mill on the books.

That's already 135 to 140 million for 3 players going into the 2025-26 season. Add in 20 mill for Hart, 12 mill for Mitch, 12 mill for Divo, and (roughly) 10 additional millions to fill out the roster, and you're just under the first apron, with a massive extension looming for Bridges that may take you over the second apron. And then you could be in dangerous territory as far as the penalties are concerned.

At that point, Randle will be 31-32 years old, and while he's been great for us the last two seasons, I think it's fair to ask whether or not he's worth the investment considering the risks it represents - both in terms of his play and our books. I think a case can be made that our best lineups will not feature Randle, for instance. Mikal and OG may prove to form our best duo at the forward spots (I expect them to).

I would love for Randle to stay if he sustains his level of play from the last two seasons and he re-signs on a team-friendly deal but the amount will be key and I think other avenues need to be explored as well.

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

Because reaching the second apron doesn't only affect Dolan's pockets.

It also affects our ability to build the roster.

[Chanel Bomber]

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

1st round picks end up getting frozen and then eventually moved to the end of the 1st round.

That's not very logical.

Problem: If we over the second apron, we can not upgrade the team anymore (cant trade picks, and hard to make trades).

Solution: let's downgrade the team now cutting salaries!

My opinion is that the best version of this team will likely feature Mikal and OG at the forward spots. With everyone healthy, I think Randle's best role on this team will be to be a 6th man.

So I think the Knicks should consider trading Randle for other assets or to strengthen another position so that they avoid 1. Losing him for nothing 2. Giving him a big extension as he enters his 30s that may take us over the apron.

I'm not suggesting we should just get rid of Randle. I'm saying the FO should consider getting value back early.

And an argument can be made that contending teams may consider that the penalties that come with hitting the second apron are worth it. But if Randle's contract proves to be a bad one, it will be nearly impossible for us to get out of it.

[spree8]

But player contracts proportionately will as well.

Brunson may earn approximately 55 mill annually starting next summer. Julius likely won't be taking less than OG, so that's another 40 mill on the books.

That's already 135 to 140 million for 3 players going into the 2025-26 season. Add in 20 mill for Hart, 12 mill for Mitch, 12 mill for Divo, and (roughly) 10 additional millions to fill out the roster, and you're just under the first apron, with a massive extension looming for Bridges that may take you over the second apron. And then you could be in dangerous territory as far as the penalties are concerned.

At that point, Randle will be 31-32 years old, and while he's been great for us the last two seasons, I think it's fair to ask whether or not he's worth the investment considering the risks it represents - both in terms of his play and our books. I think a case can be made that our best lineups will not feature Randle, for instance. Mikal and OG may prove to form our best duo at the forward spots (I expect them to).

I would love for Randle to stay if he sustains his level of play from the last two seasons and he re-signs on a team-friendly deal but the amount will be key and I think other avenues need to be explored as well.

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

Because reaching the second apron doesn't only affect Dolan's pockets.

It also affects our ability to build the roster.

That’s my point tho, the roster is pretty much built already.

[spree8]

1st round picks end up getting frozen and then eventually moved to the end of the 1st round.

We won’t be picking until the end of the first round anyway tho no?… every other year when we actually have a pick.

It just takes away flexibility and puts us in bad situations where like let’s say we want to cut salary, teams can use that penalty as leverage to take more picks from us. I think how Boston approaches the next two offseasons will tell us a lot.

True, my only thing is that I don’t think that’s enough justification to trade someone of Randle’s caliber. Just can’t wrap my head around that

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

Because reaching the second apron doesn't only affect Dolan's pockets.

It also affects our ability to build the roster.

That’s my point tho, the roster is pretty much built already.

Brunson and Randle have extensions due.

[Chanel Bomber]

Outside of Dolan’s bank account, I fail to see why you’re worried tho

Because reaching the second apron doesn't only affect Dolan's pockets.

It also affects our ability to build the roster.

That’s my point tho, the roster is pretty much built already.

I think it's a fair argument to make that the penalties that come with hitting the second apron may be irrelevant if you consider this roster to be complete.

I'm just quite skeptical of this. This core hasn't yet reached the Conference Finals even once, and most teams - even championship contenders - rarely stay the same for more than 2-3 years. Even great teams tend to reshuffle their rosters, which requires the flexibility to do so.

Boston went much further than we ever did in 2022 and they needed to make dramatic changes (trading Smart, Brogdon and Robert Williams) to reach their final form. And it doesn't seem as if they'll manage their current core together for more than 2 or 3 years in total.

Anyway I've my said my piece but the Randle extension gives me pause. I can see undesired ramifications for different reasons. I suppose we'll have a clearer picture when we see this team play.

[dukeknicksirish]

We won’t be picking until the end of the first round anyway tho no?… every other year when we actually have a pick.

It just takes away flexibility and puts us in bad situations where like let’s say we want to cut salary, teams can use that penalty as leverage to take more picks from us. I think how Boston approaches the next two offseasons will tell us a lot.

True, my only thing is that I don’t think that’s enough justification to trade someone of Randle’s caliber. Just can’t wrap my head around that

Only 1 player comes to mind that has similar accolades. That player would most likely have to have their team be super disappointing going into the deadline and he would have to be vocal about being unhappy. A 3 team deal would need to take place to make it work salary / player wise, but Devin Booker is the name. Not sure we have all what Phoenix would want (Ju, Duece, Precious, protected 1st and 2nds would more than likely need involved) but the lingering interest by Leon in the past just seems to bring him to mind.

[spree8]

Because reaching the second apron doesn't only affect Dolan's pockets.

It also affects our ability to build the roster.

That’s my point tho, the roster is pretty much built already.

I think it's a fair argument to make that the penalties that come with hitting the second apron may be irrelevant if you consider this roster to be complete.

I'm just quite skeptical of this. This core hasn't yet reached the Conference Finals even once, and most teams - even championship contenders - rarely stay the same for more than 2-3 years. Even great teams tend to reshuffle their rosters, which requires the flexibility to do so.

Boston went much further than we ever did in 2022 and they needed to make dramatic changes (trading Smart, Brogdon and Robert Williams) to reach their final form. And it doesn't seem as if they'll manage their current core together for more than 2 or 3 years in total.

Anyway I've my said my piece but the Randle extension gives me pause. I can see undesired ramifications for different reasons. I suppose we'll have a clearer picture when we see this team play.

I getcha, but yea, we’re winning the chip this year soooo

[Chanel Bomber]

That’s my point tho, the roster is pretty much built already.

I think it's a fair argument to make that the penalties that come with hitting the second apron may be irrelevant if you consider this roster to be complete.

I'm just quite skeptical of this. This core hasn't yet reached the Conference Finals even once, and most teams - even championship contenders - rarely stay the same for more than 2-3 years. Even great teams tend to reshuffle their rosters, which requires the flexibility to do so.

Boston went much further than we ever did in 2022 and they needed to make dramatic changes (trading Smart, Brogdon and Robert Williams) to reach their final form. And it doesn't seem as if they'll manage their current core together for more than 2 or 3 years in total.

Anyway I've my said my piece but the Randle extension gives me pause. I can see undesired ramifications for different reasons. I suppose we'll have a clearer picture when we see this team play.

I getcha, but yea, we’re winning the chip this year soooo

Let's goo