Miami Heat Offseason Thread Vol. 4: Fraudfather Snoozin 2.0

[HeatIn5]

Pretty sure they'd rather have Herro than LaVine. While LaVine is a better player right now, his contract and health issues make it too risky. Plus, the Heat know what they have in Herro—he gives effort and has room to grow. With LaVine, there are more uncertainties. There's simply no way they'd make that trade.

You also get at least a 1st possibly more back with Lavine, Herro is also always hurt. It’s a 3 year deal if Lavine doesn’t work send out his massive expiring in 2 summers. Much better and more explosive scorer than Herro, not even close

Someone made the point, might have been MWP, that Chi is unlikely to include a FRP to move off of Lavine if it means that they have to take back big salary for multiple seasons in return.

If im Chi’s GM, I wouldn’t surrender a pick if it meant taking back Herro. It would just be player(s) for player(s).

What about Herro/Duncan to a team with cap, $$ to Chicago and a pick and Lavine and a 1st to us

I don’t love it, but just talking it out

[IceColdCubano]

There’s some good names out there still, just gotta get something done. Need to be very active in trades as well, get Jimmy and Bam their guy (Lauri, Dame, Trae, Lavine, etc.)

Hate to be the barer of bad news but a couple things on those names.

Dame, I don't know if he is available right now. There's an opportunity to revisit if Milwaukee is open but what will it take.

Lavine, the heat are not interested in, this is word from the source you can find on twitter close to the heat that even amongst getting picks back the contract they feel would be detrimental moving forward, you can absolutely cross him off the list.

Trae, Miami is hard stop no, they have not reached out or want Trae here, apparently the sticking point here is Spo or at least that's how its made to sound whos the person saying no primarily. I don't know why or what they know or what they feel but that was a hard no from them at this point.

Lauri, they have inquired early on, but since step away the price is too steep, there are other teams willing to pay more, they are no longer looking in that direction.

[MettaWorldPanda]

You also get at least a 1st possibly more back with Lavine, Herro is also always hurt. It’s a 3 year deal if Lavine doesn’t work send out his massive expiring in 2 summers. Much better and more explosive scorer than Herro, not even close

Someone made the point, might have been MWP, that Chi is unlikely to include a FRP to move off of Lavine if it means that they have to take back big salary for multiple seasons in return.

If im Chi’s GM, I wouldn’t surrender a pick if it meant taking back Herro. It would just be player(s) for player(s).

What about Herro/Duncan to a team with cap, $$ to Chicago and a pick and Lavine and a 1st to us

I don’t love it, but just talking it out

Chicago could budge if the money savings from Duncan’s partial next year weighs out anything else they can do. Herro torched them in the play in game and would mix in well with White, Giddey, and Donsunmu. Just not sure about the LaVine 15% kicker and the cap next year. Almost feels like we need Duncan’s money off the books next year for future cap flexibility.

[MettaWorldPanda]

There’s some good names out there still, just gotta get something done. Need to be very active in trades as well, get Jimmy and Bam their guy (Lauri, Dame, Trae, Lavine, etc.)

Hate to be the barer of bad news but a couple things on those names.

Dame, I don't know if he is available right now. There's an opportunity to revisit if Milwaukee is open but what will it take.

Lavine, the heat are not interested in, this is word from the source you can find on twitter close to the heat that even amongst getting picks back the contract they feel would be detrimental moving forward, you can absolutely cross him off the list.

Trae, Miami is hard stop no, they have not reached out or want Trae here, apparently the sticking point here is Spo or at least that's how its made to sound whos the person saying no primarily. I don't know why or what they know or what they feel but that was a hard no from them at this point.

Lauri, they have inquired early on, but since step away the price is too steep, there are other teams willing to pay more, they are no longer looking in that direction.

Yup looking deep and you can see how the LaVine contract could hurt our books next year. I think we are banking on Duncan’s money coming off next year to get us out from under the apron to absorb Bam’s extension. I don’t think we can package both Herro and Duncan for guaranteed salary. Would have to be Herro and Rozier for cap purposes. Herro and Rozier for Lillard works. I don’t see the Bulls trading a first without any type of salary savings. They’ll open the season with LaVine and keep there 1st.

[Beenie]

There’s some good names out there still, just gotta get something done. Need to be very active in trades as well, get Jimmy and Bam their guy (Lauri, Dame, Trae, Lavine, etc.)

Hate to be the barer of bad news but a couple things on those names.

Dame, I don't know if he is available right now. There's an opportunity to revisit if Milwaukee is open but what will it take.

Lavine, the heat are not interested in, this is word from the source you can find on twitter close to the heat that even amongst getting picks back the contract they feel would be detrimental moving forward, you can absolutely cross him off the list.

Trae, Miami is hard stop no, they have not reached out or want Trae here, apparently the sticking point here is Spo or at least that's how its made to sound whos the person saying no primarily. I don't know why or what they know or what they feel but that was a hard no from them at this point.

Lauri, they have inquired early on, but since step away the price is too steep, there are other teams willing to pay more, they are no longer looking in that direction.

I really like Tyus Jones.

Not a sexy name to consider but stylistically fills a major void. Would step in day one and be the best passer on the team and perhaps the best handler as well

[Beenie]

On board with the idea of pursuing Tyus and Kuzma

[MettaWorldPanda]

There’s some good names out there still, just gotta get something done. Need to be very active in trades as well, get Jimmy and Bam their guy (Lauri, Dame, Trae, Lavine, etc.)

Hate to be the barer of bad news but a couple things on those names.

Dame, I don't know if he is available right now. There's an opportunity to revisit if Milwaukee is open but what will it take.

Lavine, the heat are not interested in, this is word from the source you can find on twitter close to the heat that even amongst getting picks back the contract they feel would be detrimental moving forward, you can absolutely cross him off the list.

Trae, Miami is hard stop no, they have not reached out or want Trae here, apparently the sticking point here is Spo or at least that's how its made to sound whos the person saying no primarily. I don't know why or what they know or what they feel but that was a hard no from them at this point.

Lauri, they have inquired early on, but since step away the price is too steep, there are other teams willing to pay more, they are no longer looking in that direction.

I really like Tyus Jones.

Not a sexy name to consider but stylistically fills a major void. Would step in day one and be the best passer on the team and perhaps the best handler as well

Hard to get him without a S&T and at the moment can’t do that without someone taking on a salary from us. Essentially your trading Rozier and Duncan or Herro 2-1 for Jones who probably wants 20 mil per year.

[MettaWorldPanda]

On board with the idea of pursuing Tyus and Kuzma

The issue is they already have Jordan Poole making Herro type money.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pretty sure they'd rather have Herro than LaVine. While LaVine is a better player right now, his contract and health issues make it too risky. Plus, the Heat know what they have in Herro—he gives effort and has room to grow. With LaVine, there are more uncertainties. There's simply no way they'd make that trade.

You also get at least a 1st possibly more back with Lavine, Herro is also always hurt. It’s a 3 year deal if Lavine doesn’t work send out his massive expiring in 2 summers. Much better and more explosive scorer than Herro, not even close

We need assets so bad that I’d be willing to gamble on lavine if we’re getting a Chicago 1st back. Just gotta pray we can unload in 26-27. He has a 46M player option, which he’ll likely accept. That’s a big expiring to use in a S&T for a guy like Fox.

People in here mentioned that players usually resign and don’t hit FA, but having a big expiring to move in a deal could be helpful. I’d personally rather Lavine trying to prove he can still be a star over Herro with an ego

Definitely and that’s going to be a valuable first, a lottery pick for sure.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

There’s some good names out there still, just gotta get something done. Need to be very active in trades as well, get Jimmy and Bam their guy (Lauri, Dame, Trae, Lavine, etc.)

Hate to be the barer of bad news but a couple things on those names.

Dame, I don't know if he is available right now. There's an opportunity to revisit if Milwaukee is open but what will it take.

Lavine, the heat are not interested in, this is word from the source you can find on twitter close to the heat that even amongst getting picks back the contract they feel would be detrimental moving forward, you can absolutely cross him off the list.

Trae, Miami is hard stop no, they have not reached out or want Trae here, apparently the sticking point here is Spo or at least that's how its made to sound whos the person saying no primarily. I don't know why or what they know or what they feel but that was a hard no from them at this point.

Lauri, they have inquired early on, but since step away the price is too steep, there are other teams willing to pay more, they are no longer looking in that direction.

ICC is plugged in again?!?!

[RexBoyWonder]

It's either Ingram if we can make a fair trade,

Or do nothing, play the younings and go full youth movement. Could trade Jimmy for picks too, makes sense.

Mid is the worst.

[contract]

This team needs to shed salaries or we're going to be right back here in the exact same situation next summer. I think we're already at ~ $180 million in salary for '25-'26.

[Lennyzinho]

This team needs to shed salaries or we're going to be right back here in the exact same situation next summer. I think we're already at ~ $180 million in salary for '25-'26.

We will literally have the same team next year plus draft pick depending on our finish since it's protected and BIG IF Jimmy opts in. But then Jimmy Duncan rozier will all be on the last year of their deals.

[contract]

This team needs to shed salaries or we're going to be right back here in the exact same situation next summer. I think we're already at ~ $180 million in salary for '25-'26.

We will literally have the same team next year plus draft pick depending on our finish since it's protected and BIG IF Jimmy opts in. But then Jimmy Duncan rozier will all be on the last year of their deals.

I'm starting to wonder if Pat has a bondage fetish.

[Beenie]

On board with the idea of pursuing Tyus and Kuzma

The issue is they already have Jordan Poole making Herro type money.

Two separate transactions due to sign n trade rules but effectively one big trade:

Duncan and Niko for Jones

Rozier for Kuzma

I believe the math works but feel free to keep me honest.

Wizards have been angling for picks in return for Kuzma so no telling if they like Niko enough to amend their demands.

An offer worth exploring though

[HeatIn5]

This team needs to shed salaries or we're going to be right back here in the exact same situation next summer. I think we're already at ~ $180 million in salary for '25-'26.

Now look at 26-27 and see how important getting rid of Herro is

[HeatIn5]

On board with the idea of pursuing Tyus and Kuzma

The issue is they already have Jordan Poole making Herro type money.

Two separate transactions due to sign n trade rules but effectively one big trade:

Duncan and Niko for Jones

Rozier for Kuzma

I believe the math works but feel free to keep me honest.

Wizards have been angling for picks in return for Kuzma so no telling if they like Niko enough to amend their demands.

An offer worth exploring though

I think I’d rather keep Niko

[twix2500]

I am not a big fan of Ingram but the only big name trade I can see the Heat pulling off would be for Ingram.

A trade I would like to see for depth purposes is Orlando and Duncan Robinson for Malcolm Brogdon.

PG: Rozier- Brogdon - Richardson - Pullin - Smith - Stevens
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Jaquez Jr. - Larsson
PF: Jovic - Johnson
Ce: Adebayo - Love - Ware - Bryant

[DayofMourning]

It's either Ingram if we can make a fair trade,

Or do nothing, play the younings and go full youth movement. Could trade Jimmy for picks too, makes sense.

Mid is the worst.

Butler to Pels for Ingram and 2025 pick?

[MettaWorldPanda]

I am not a big fan of Ingram but the only big name trade I can see the Heat pulling off would be for Ingram.

A trade I would like to see for depth purposes is Orlando and Duncan Robinson for Malcolm Brogdon.

PG: Rozier- Brogdon - Richardson - Pullin - Smith - Stevens
SG: Butler - Herro
SF: Jaquez Jr. - Larsson
PF: Jovic - Johnson
Ce: Adebayo - Love - Ware - Bryant

I love this trade Twix. Subtle but makes a huge difference having a big bodied guard like Brogdon to mix in with Rozier and Herro. Will have to trade at minimum the 2026 2nd and maybe 2031 to make it happen. This is a solid trade proposition though. Brogdon also comes off the books free and clear next year and with bird rights could even resign at much better rate.