Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[ckchen]

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Who this guy? He got a good bit of followers. Nobody credible follows him though

This seems super unlikely, not only because trading for DFS in a sign-and-trade hard caps the team, but also because signing of Caleb Martin isn't just about the dollars, but also signing another SF. You're not hardcapping your team and paying draft picks for a 3rd/4th SF for this team.

[the_process]

Regarding GB talking down the Sixers, I'm okay with them underrating us. I'd rather exceed expectations than convince everyone we're the best team in the league and then face their hot takes again if we start slow.

I’d rather be the hunter than the hunted.

Who is GB? Sorry, but I don't know who you're talking about

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If you just stay away from the general board, you're better off.

[ProcessDoctor]

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Who this guy? He got a good bit of followers. Nobody credible follows him though

I guess this would be possible, but don't we have to match DFS's contract 100% since we'd be going over the cap? And with BYC it would only count as 50% for Brooklyn, so we'd have to sign KJ to a $30 mil contract? Lmao.

[the_process]

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Who this guy? He got a good bit of followers. Nobody credible follows him though

This seems super unlikely, not only because trading for DFS in a sign-and-trade hard caps the team, but also because signing of Caleb Martin isn't just about the dollars, but also signing another SF. You're not hardcapping your team and paying draft picks for a 3rd/4th SF for this team.

I could see the Sixers trading for Dorian Finney Smith… in January or February.

[Arsenal]

The so what is you've spent $20-30M this year alone on his salary and the luxury tax payments for that salary. This is still a business and most businesses don't throw away $20-30M on these kind of slim chances.

This isn't a normal business. This is an NBA franchise trying to win a championship. All the real contenders have no problem paying luxury tax, and I predict the Sixers are no different. They planned for this for years, which is why they avoided the tax the last 2 seasons so they could spend big this year and next year without worrying about the punitive repeater tax.

I realize it's not a normal business, but that doesn't mean they are just definitely going to toss $20-30M at a maybe scenario. I'm not saying re-signing KJ is out of the question, but I think we need to acknowledge the dollar for dollar penalty they would be making for every cent of his contract. Literally every NBA team dumps salaries to avoid paying massive luxury tax bills, the Sixers have been among those teams that consider every cent paid. It would be fairly out of character for the team to suddenly just decide they are willing to pay $20-30M for essentially a trade chip.

I think *you* need to consider that they are planning to make a run at the title this year and next year, and therefore they will increase the payroll similar to other teams that are true contenders.

And your supporting argument that "literally every NBA team dumps salaries to avoid paying massive luxury tax bills" is incorrect. The top contenders routinely pay luxury tax. I believe every single one of the past several champions paid luxury tax.

[PhillyFan11]

I think you almost have to do the KJ Martin deal just for flexibility. If not, from this point on its vet mins and the in season buy out market only to improve the team or fill any injuries. The team isn’t going to have much depth as is, choosing to not have a way to possibly fix that later/prepare for the worst is crazy.

[FireMorey]

The Sixers are not going to trade KJ Martin if they do it until the deadline. That seems pretty clear. And that's fine. Frankly, blowing your wad on DFS seems underwhelming. If the team isn't playing up to expectations by February, DFS is not going to change their fortunes. They'd need a bigger swing.

[ckchen]

I think *you* need to consider that they are planning to make a run at the title this year and next year, and therefore they will increase the payroll similar to other teams that are true contenders.

You make it sound like they haven't been top 10 or so in payroll the past few years. Look, if they did it I would pleasantly surprised, and I think if they were making that commitment for something more substantial (e.g. actually paying for/trading for a player they think would make a difference) I would be less surprised. But nothing about how they've been running the team this whole time makes me optimistically think they would just throw that much money at this type of possibility. I would be happy to be proven wrong. If the Raptors picked up Bruce Brown's option for the same reasoning, anything could happen, I'm just not assuming it's a given like most of the internet seems to have.

[NearingZero]

The Sixers are not going to trade KJ Martin if they do it until the deadline. That seems pretty clear. And that's fine. Frankly, blowing your wad on DFS seems underwhelming. If the team isn't playing up to expectations by February, DFS is not going to change their fortunes. They'd need a bigger swing.

If a team would accept a sign & trade now, there's no downside on our end, unless they ask for excessive draft compensation to take the big contract. Whoever we get back would still be tradeable salary.

DFS puts us right at the 2nd apron though with only 14 contracts, so that's not happening now IMO.

[ProcessDoctor]

The Sixers are not going to trade KJ Martin if they do it until the deadline. That seems pretty clear. And that's fine. Frankly, blowing your wad on DFS seems underwhelming. If the team isn't playing up to expectations by February, DFS is not going to change their fortunes. They'd need a bigger swing.

If a team would accept a sign & trade now, there's no downside on our end, unless they ask for excessive draft compensation to take the big contract. Whoever we get back would still be tradeable salary.

DFS puts us right at the 2nd apron though with only 14 contracts, so that's not happening now IMO.

Morey usually does 14 NBA contracts anyways, so I think if it's doable now we should go for it. Say it's Martin + OKC 1st + a couple 2nds, then we are golden.

I thought the issue was that Martin's contract only counts for 50% of its value to the team receiving it. Or do I have that backward?

Edit: I also don't know that there are many players better than DFS for $15 mil that can we can also realistically keep past this season (looking at you, Lauri).

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[NearingZero]

The Sixers are not going to trade KJ Martin if they do it until the deadline. That seems pretty clear. And that's fine. Frankly, blowing your wad on DFS seems underwhelming. If the team isn't playing up to expectations by February, DFS is not going to change their fortunes. They'd need a bigger swing.

If a team would accept a sign & trade now, there's no downside on our end, unless they ask for excessive draft compensation to take the big contract. Whoever we get back would still be tradeable salary.

DFS puts us right at the 2nd apron though with only 14 contracts, so that's not happening now IMO.

Morey usually does 14 NBA contracts anyways, so I think if it's doable now we should go for it. Say it's Martin + OKC 1st + a couple 2nds, then we are golden.

I thought the issue was that Martin's contract only counts for 50% of its value to the team receiving it. Or do I have that backward?

When I say right at the 2nd apron, I mean within less than a million. I would think doing that and only having 14 contracts would be too little flexibility, although I definitely don't know the cap/apron rules well enough to say for sure.

You are right about the 50% issue. That's another reason trading for DFS right now isn't going to happen, because no one's going to pay KJ Martin $30M without being substantially compensated in draft picks. But for someone in the $4-8M range, where Martin's contract would be $8-16M, that might be more reasonable. A non-tax team might take on that contract for a 2nd round pick.

[the_process]

They are going to balloon KJ, then add three vet mins. And then be active at the trade deadline.

I wonder if they promise him a starting spot if Trent would take a one year prove it minimum?

Obviously, if they've already promised a starting spot to Oubre, they'll have to go have a conversation about how important he is to the team as a sixth man.

[ProcessDoctor]

If a team would accept a sign & trade now, there's no downside on our end, unless they ask for excessive draft compensation to take the big contract. Whoever we get back would still be tradeable salary.

DFS puts us right at the 2nd apron though with only 14 contracts, so that's not happening now IMO.

Morey usually does 14 NBA contracts anyways, so I think if it's doable now we should go for it. Say it's Martin + OKC 1st + a couple 2nds, then we are golden.

I thought the issue was that Martin's contract only counts for 50% of its value to the team receiving it. Or do I have that backward?

When I say right at the 2nd apron, I mean within less than a million. I would think doing that and only having 14 contracts would be too little flexibility, although I definitely don't know the cap/apron rules well enough to say for sure.

You are right about the 50% issue. That's another reason trading for DFS right now isn't going to happen, because no one's going to pay KJ Martin $30M without being substantially compensated in draft picks. But for someone in the $4-8M range, where Martin's contract would be $8-16M, that might be more reasonable. A non-tax team might take on that contract for a 2nd round pick.

I guess what I don't understand is how we just S&T Buddy Hield to Golden State without the same issue. Is it simply because we didn't receive a player back?

[wickedwrister]

Someone talk me into the idea of DFS. I admittedly don't watch much of the Nets. Looking at his Bbref those 3p percentages aren't the best.

[wickedwrister]

Morey usually does 14 NBA contracts anyways, so I think if it's doable now we should go for it. Say it's Martin + OKC 1st + a couple 2nds, then we are golden.

I thought the issue was that Martin's contract only counts for 50% of its value to the team receiving it. Or do I have that backward?

When I say right at the 2nd apron, I mean within less than a million. I would think doing that and only having 14 contracts would be too little flexibility, although I definitely don't know the cap/apron rules well enough to say for sure.

You are right about the 50% issue. That's another reason trading for DFS right now isn't going to happen, because no one's going to pay KJ Martin $30M without being substantially compensated in draft picks. But for someone in the $4-8M range, where Martin's contract would be $8-16M, that might be more reasonable. A non-tax team might take on that contract for a 2nd round pick.

I guess what I don't understand is how we just S&T Buddy Hield to Golden State without the same issue. Is it simply because we didn't receive a player back?

Traded him in to a trade exception so worked for GS.

Technically we get an exception back but since an exception has a cap hold we would have had to instantly renounce the exception we got to sign George.

[kriss73]

According to https://www.spotrac.com/nba/apron/_/year/2024 we're hardcapped to the first apron.
But I don't see why. The Room Excepiton doesn't seem to trigger the hard cap, neither to receive picks in a sign&trade.

Where does it say that?

The padlock in the second column

[NearingZero]

Morey usually does 14 NBA contracts anyways, so I think if it's doable now we should go for it. Say it's Martin + OKC 1st + a couple 2nds, then we are golden.

I thought the issue was that Martin's contract only counts for 50% of its value to the team receiving it. Or do I have that backward?

When I say right at the 2nd apron, I mean within less than a million. I would think doing that and only having 14 contracts would be too little flexibility, although I definitely don't know the cap/apron rules well enough to say for sure.

You are right about the 50% issue. That's another reason trading for DFS right now isn't going to happen, because no one's going to pay KJ Martin $30M without being substantially compensated in draft picks. But for someone in the $4-8M range, where Martin's contract would be $8-16M, that might be more reasonable. A non-tax team might take on that contract for a 2nd round pick.

I guess what I don't understand is how we just S&T Buddy Hield to Golden State without the same issue. Is it simply because we didn't receive a player back?

Those rules only apply when you sign the player using bird/early-bird rights (needed for more than 120% of their prior salary, I believe). But also, we didn't take any salary back, so it wouldn't matter if they did apply.

[sixers hoops]

According to https://www.spotrac.com/nba/apron/_/year/2024 we're hardcapped to the first apron.
But I don't see why. The Room Excepiton doesn't seem to trigger the hard cap, neither to receive picks in a sign&trade.

Where does it say that?

The padlock in the second column

Thanks! My view only had one column. I didn’t even know there were more columns.

[FireMorey]

Someone talk me into the idea of DFS. I admittedly don't watch much of the Nets. Looking at his Bbref those 3p percentages aren't the best.

I think his stock has been artificially inflated because of the recency bias of the Knicks series and people wanting versatile role player 3&D types at the moment. Not that I'm against those types of players, they're valuable, but I think individually their impact has been overestimated based off what the Knicks did to the Sixers. If the Sixers had fallen to the Celtics in round 1, I think there'd be less of a calling for him.

He's a good player, but I also think he's the type of player that is better in theory than in reality. You can do better. He's not someone you get hard capped for.