Welcome 2x NBA Champion KCP!

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Before the off-season started, I was hoping the Magic could get Gary Trent or Luke Kennard as a SG; the Magic got the much better Caldwell-Pope.

The more I think about this, the happy I get.

I am starting to fall in love with the Magic's starting five. They are going to be complimentary on offense and defense.

But KCP is not as much of upgrade over Harris as you think. Matter of fact, it's hard to find players who mirror each other so much.




KCP worked well as distanced 5th option on Nuggets team stacked with best player in basketball, elite PG ( in playoffs) , and two very good wings. It's same system Gary Harris used to be 3rd option

Also you should brace yourself to random months where KCP can't hit jumpers and has 8 ppg ,2 rpg, 1 apg on 30 mpg productions. It happends.

And both guy are 30/31. KCP is just way more durable.


I still find Magic offseason as awkward as it gets. Magic now have 3 SGs who do same stuff + Cole who is closest thing to combo guard. No PG in sight.
KCP also won't add any volumen to our shooting. He also won't put any pressure on a rim.

Don't get me wrong, KCP is good player. But not needle mover. Tbh, if i have to bet on Magic winning record, i'm not going over 45.

The only stat that is important to me in this context is that he played 265 more regular season games and played more playoff games despite him only being in the league 1 more year. So, whatever. As long as he doesn’t give us 0 points in the playoffs (hopefully healthy and if we make the playoffs), I’ll take him over Gary

[jezzerinho]

Before the off-season started, I was hoping the Magic could get Gary Trent or Luke Kennard as a SG; the Magic got the much better Caldwell-Pope.

The more I think about this, the happy I get.

I am starting to fall in love with the Magic's starting five. They are going to be complimentary on offense and defense.

But KCP is not as much of upgrade over Harris as you think. Matter of fact, it's hard to find players who mirror each other so much.




KCP worked well as distanced 5th option on Nuggets team stacked with best player in basketball, elite PG ( in playoffs) , and two very good wings. It's same system Gary Harris used to be 3rd option

Also you should brace yourself to random months where KCP can't hit jumpers and has 8 ppg ,2 rpg, 1 apg on 30 mpg productions. It happends.

And both guy are 30/31. KCP is just way more durable.


I still find Magic offseason as awkward as it gets. Magic now have 3 SGs who do same stuff + Cole who is closest thing to combo guard. No PG in sight.
KCP also won't add any volumen to our shooting. He also won't put any pressure on a rim.

Don't get me wrong, KCP is good player. But not needle mover. Tbh, if i have to bet on Magic winning record, i'm not going over 45.

Its weird we have basically no point guard still.

But I think our defense is going to be absolutely nuts next year. If Goga gets any burn at center off.the bench, which I doubt tbh, then we'll be 2-deep with defensive monsters at every position. So 45 wins seems low to me, even with the East getting better.

We will be a nightmare to play against. In the regular season, you play 15 games against bad teams and 15 games against teams load managing or not trying that hard. If you try harder than them youll win the vast majority of those games. To reach 47, like we hit this year, is not a hige challenge with our teams attitude and defensive ability. We.need to be better on the road. Hopefully, KCP helps with that.

[pepe1991]

Before the off-season started, I was hoping the Magic could get Gary Trent or Luke Kennard as a SG; the Magic got the much better Caldwell-Pope.

The more I think about this, the happy I get.

I am starting to fall in love with the Magic's starting five. They are going to be complimentary on offense and defense.

But KCP is not as much of upgrade over Harris as you think. Matter of fact, it's hard to find players who mirror each other so much.




KCP worked well as distanced 5th option on Nuggets team stacked with best player in basketball, elite PG ( in playoffs) , and two very good wings. It's same system Gary Harris used to be 3rd option

Also you should brace yourself to random months where KCP can't hit jumpers and has 8 ppg ,2 rpg, 1 apg on 30 mpg productions. It happends.

And both guy are 30/31. KCP is just way more durable.


I still find Magic offseason as awkward as it gets. Magic now have 3 SGs who do same stuff + Cole who is closest thing to combo guard. No PG in sight.
KCP also won't add any volumen to our shooting. He also won't put any pressure on a rim.

Don't get me wrong, KCP is good player. But not needle mover. Tbh, if i have to bet on Magic winning record, i'm not going over 45.

Its weird we have basically no point guard still.

But I think our defense is going to be absolutely nuts next year. If Goga gets any burn at center off.the bench, which I doubt tbh, then we'll be 2-deep with defensive monsters at every position. So 45 wins seems low to me, even with the East getting better.

We will be a nightmare to play against. In the regular season, you play 15 games against bad teams and 15 games against teams load managing or not trying that hard. If you try harder than them youll win the vast majority of those games. To reach 47, like we hit this year, is not a hige challenge with our teams attitude and defensive ability. We.need to be better on the road. Hopefully, KCP helps with that.

Last year we were very healthy team, among healthiest nba teams, where our direct competition got devasted by injuries ( mainly Knicks, Cavs, Heat and 76ers) .
We did have some injuries, but having no Fultz is always blessing and you can now bank on notion Wendell will miss 20-30 games every year because it happens each and every year.

i also assume teams will be little better prepared for us this time around.
I agree that our defense should be elite. But if you factor slightly worst season injury vise, and probably continuation of top 10 worst offense, probably less injuries of teams around you, as direct competition, i would still lean toward 45 wins more than 47-50 wins.

And last, as much as i never liked anything around Fultz, on Magic, he was pretty much only guard who could beat his man off the dribble to get to a paint. Now all Magic remaining guards are people who can't beat chair off the dribble.

[jezzerinho]

But KCP is not as much of upgrade over Harris as you think. Matter of fact, it's hard to find players who mirror each other so much.




KCP worked well as distanced 5th option on Nuggets team stacked with best player in basketball, elite PG ( in playoffs) , and two very good wings. It's same system Gary Harris used to be 3rd option

Also you should brace yourself to random months where KCP can't hit jumpers and has 8 ppg ,2 rpg, 1 apg on 30 mpg productions. It happends.

And both guy are 30/31. KCP is just way more durable.


I still find Magic offseason as awkward as it gets. Magic now have 3 SGs who do same stuff + Cole who is closest thing to combo guard. No PG in sight.
KCP also won't add any volumen to our shooting. He also won't put any pressure on a rim.

Don't get me wrong, KCP is good player. But not needle mover. Tbh, if i have to bet on Magic winning record, i'm not going over 45.

Its weird we have basically no point guard still.

But I think our defense is going to be absolutely nuts next year. If Goga gets any burn at center off.the bench, which I doubt tbh, then we'll be 2-deep with defensive monsters at every position. So 45 wins seems low to me, even with the East getting better.

We will be a nightmare to play against. In the regular season, you play 15 games against bad teams and 15 games against teams load managing or not trying that hard. If you try harder than them youll win the vast majority of those games. To reach 47, like we hit this year, is not a hige challenge with our teams attitude and defensive ability. We.need to be better on the road. Hopefully, KCP helps with that.

Last year we were very healthy team, among healthiest nba teams, where our direct competition got devasted by injuries ( mainly Knicks, Cavs, Heat and 76ers) .
We did have some injuries, but having no Fultz is always blessing and you can now bank on notion Wendell will miss 20-30 games every year because it happens each and every year.

i also assume teams will be little better prepared for us this time around.
I agree that our defense should be elite. But if you factor slightly worst season injury vise, and probably continuation of top 10 worst offense, probably less injuries of teams around you, as direct competition, i would still lean toward 45 wins more than 47-50 wins.

And last, as much as i never liked anything around Fultz, on Magic, he was pretty much only guard who could beat his man off the dribble to get to a paint. Now all Magic remaining guards are people who can't beat chair off the dribble.

All true. But i think we're probably the deepest roster in the NBA, or certainly top 5. So, of course, if Paolo goes down for 6 mths we're in a tough spot. But, weirdly, when you think of the alternative lineups we could push out, it doesnt feel terminal.

Having no guard who can attack a closeout or guy going over the screen is a problem. On that we can agree.

[Petre1978]

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[Optimus_Steel]

Did he pick a jersey number yet?

#10

[Optimus_Steel]

Before the off-season started, I was hoping the Magic could get Gary Trent or Luke Kennard as a SG; the Magic got the much better Caldwell-Pope.

The more I think about this, the happy I get.

I am starting to fall in love with the Magic's starting five. They are going to be complimentary on offense and defense.

Loving the starting lineup and loving the depth

The bench: Black/Suggs/Harris/Isaac/M-Wagner. That's better than the Pistons starting Five!

Suggs is starting…it would be Cole or Tristan or Jett

[ibraheim718]

KCP Games Played Gary Harris Games Played

76 54
77 48
77 61
67 39
69 39
82 56

Not much of an upgrade? Another misinformed post. KCP has played practically two more seasons worth of games than Harris in the past 6 years. Not counting playoff games..yeah but not much of an upgrade.

[drsd]

Loving the starting lineup and loving the depth

The bench: Black/Suggs/Harris/Isaac/M-Wagner. That's better than the Pistons starting Five!

Suggs is starting…it would be Cole or Tristan or Jett

Typo.

Meant: Black/Anthony/Harris/Isaac/M-Wagner

[drsd]

KCP Games Played Gary Harris Games Played

76 54
77 48
77 61
67 39
69 39
82 56

Not much of an upgrade? Another misinformed post. KCP has played practically two more seasons worth of games than Harris in the past 6 years. Not counting playoff games..yeah but not much of an upgrade.

Over the last six years, Caldwell-Pope has dominated Harris statistically.

The per36 numers really show how much more efficient Caldwell-Pope is as well: LINK: Gary Harris (2019-2024) vs. Kentavious Caldwell-Pope (2019-2024): Player Comparison

[DetroitDon15]

I’m kinda curious to see what everyone thinks scoring wise KCP will do next season?

About the same as the last few years.

9 to 11 PPG would be my guess.

In contrast to pepe saying that Harris and Caldwell-Pope are "similar players", respectfully, they are not. Across the board Caldwell-Pope is more efficient. He also gets to the line a little bit more and is a better FG% and FT% shooter. That all sums up to Caldwell-Pope being 1.2 ppg better than Harris when averaging out for minutes played. Caldwell-Pope did shoot 0.6 more FG attempts per game than Harris, when averaging out for minutes played, and that shooting rate seems certain to drop to Harris-like levels on this roster.

This all averages out to Caldwell-Pope having an expected 9.5 ppg, a quantum upgrade over Harris' 6.9 ppg. That's a 2.6 ppg increase by replacing a single player. WOW!

I’m hoping for increased efficiency and more open three opportunities. I’m hoping for 14-16 PPG per game with 400 from three and excellent defense if he is getting 30 plus minutes a night.

[Nyce_1]

Did he pick a jersey number yet?

#3

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[MAGICian619]

Did he pick a jersey number yet?

#10

Nice try?

[RookieStar]

Did he pick a jersey number yet?

#3

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Yeah... i dont think he can just give Paolo a watch to surrender that number. Lol

[Optimus_Steel]

Did he pick a jersey number yet?

#10

Nice try?

They had him hold up a #10 jersey, guess it was a generic jersey?

[JBSouthpaw]

About the same as the last few years.

9 to 11 PPG would be my guess.

In contrast to pepe saying that Harris and Caldwell-Pope are "similar players", respectfully, they are not. Across the board Caldwell-Pope is more efficient. He also gets to the line a little bit more and is a better FG% and FT% shooter. That all sums up to Caldwell-Pope being 1.2 ppg better than Harris when averaging out for minutes played. Caldwell-Pope did shoot 0.6 more FG attempts per game than Harris, when averaging out for minutes played, and that shooting rate seems certain to drop to Harris-like levels on this roster.

This all averages out to Caldwell-Pope having an expected 9.5 ppg, a quantum upgrade over Harris' 6.9 ppg. That's a 2.6 ppg increase by replacing a single player. WOW!

I’m hoping for increased efficiency and more open three opportunities. I’m hoping for 14-16 PPG per game with 400 from three and excellent defense if he is getting 30 plus minutes a night.

It's more about getting Fultz off the floor.
all these stats (which I enjoy and appreciate), do this:
Fultz/Suggs vs. Suggs/KCP , now lets show the teams stats when the guy guarding Fultz isn't sagging deep into the lane.
Double Franz or PB? sure, let them kick it out. Just the threat of KCP vs. Fultz in the corner is going to be better for everyone.

[Knightro]

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[MAGICian619]

#10

Nice try?

They had him hold up a #10 jersey, guess it was a generic jersey?

Yah or maybe Chuma was still officially on the team at that point so #3 wasn't available yet.

[pepe1991]

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All i see on this plays is Jokic being legit treat for top 20 player of all time Hell maybe even top 10
Double teams that don't work, crazy footwork for big, ability to make impossible passes, reads that no human can figure but him

That 50 sec mark play, KCP literally just walks from point a to point b and Jokic is being guarded by 4 ! ( FOUR) players and still makes play for dunk. Other 3 Nuggets players could as well take caffe late on that possession and camp on 3 point line

[Skybox]

About the same as the last few years.

9 to 11 PPG would be my guess.

In contrast to pepe saying that Harris and Caldwell-Pope are "similar players", respectfully, they are not. Across the board Caldwell-Pope is more efficient. He also gets to the line a little bit more and is a better FG% and FT% shooter. That all sums up to Caldwell-Pope being 1.2 ppg better than Harris when averaging out for minutes played. Caldwell-Pope did shoot 0.6 more FG attempts per game than Harris, when averaging out for minutes played, and that shooting rate seems certain to drop to Harris-like levels on this roster.

This all averages out to Caldwell-Pope having an expected 9.5 ppg, a quantum upgrade over Harris' 6.9 ppg. That's a 2.6 ppg increase by replacing a single player. WOW!

I’m hoping for increased efficiency and more open three opportunities. I’m hoping for 14-16 PPG per game with 400 from three and excellent defense if he is getting 30 plus minutes a night.

Honestly, if it's not 14-16 ppg...what was the point? Not knocking it - saying that's what I think we should expect. I also think Suggs might be more aggressive...he's the only guy other than Paolo that shot pull-up 3's off the dribble at any measurable volume. IF Suggs can up his shot hunting and maintain his success rate (more or less) - that's the ideal outcome. Two lockdown defenders averaging 25ppg combined, playing starter minutes, is really not a needle-mover to any great degree. Even if KPC's defense and perimeter THREAT is enough to unlock Suggs' offensively...I'll take it...30ppg+ between them.