What can this Miami package land?

[Slim Charless]

Can I interest the resident Heat fans in 1 slightly used Bradley Beal? We don't even need Ware

[Flash4thewin]

What the actual **** were they thinking with that Rozier deal. Their outlook would be sooooooo much better if they had an extra $24M of room below the 2nd apron rather than being right up against it and an extra 1st to trade on top.

It wasn’t catastrophic in and of itself, but that’s gotta be one of the worst decisions we’ve seen a team make in a while. He wasn’t and isn’t even a good roster fit. Just made no sense at all.

I don’t think there’s a quick fix out there for them. Their “all in” offer will get outbid for any player that comes available who is worth that offer in the first place. They seem to have decided that they will not move Jimmy to launch a rebuild either.

Their best path forward is honestly patience…

1) develop young guys like JJJ/Jovic/Ware. Try to bring back Highsmith and see if he can keep working on his shot to be a premium 3&D guy.

2) As time passes, their contracted players get easier and easier to use in trades. Rozier will be expiring next year. Herro and DRob will have 2 years vs 3. That makes them more palatable to use in trades, because none are really seen as good value on their deals.

3) Another year, another pick to trade down the line. Improves the quality of their all in offer.

The issue for them with being patient is that Jimmy’s prime is a ticking time bomb. He could be washed at anytime, and could need a new deal next year. I don’t envy their position.

Great post. Many still question the logic in the Terry trade. Maybe with a full offseason we can see a better version but man his defense was bad. We could get away with playing Terry and Herro in the backcourt in the regular season but would get destroyed for it in the playoffs. He is has two years left and we have no pg on the roster unless one considers Herro one. That means we will be forced to extend him or try to find one on the open market, all good pg will go for over Terry salary. Just a head scratching move.

[meatwad4343]

Miami should probably just blow it up, they have pretty much maxed out with this core and are stuck treadmilling for the next few years. Might as well get out of it and start over.

[Slim Charless]

Miami should probably just blow it up, they have pretty much maxed out with this core and are stuck treadmilling for the next few years. Might as well get out of it and start over.

I think they should've moved Jimmy to OKC before the draft. Gotten their pick this year and a cpl in future years along with Giddey. If there's anyone who can fix him, it's Spo and Heat culture.

[gom]

What the actual **** were they thinking with that Rozier deal. Their outlook would be sooooooo much better if they had an extra $24M of room below the 2nd apron rather than being right up against it and an extra 1st to trade on top.

I was against the Rozier trade too, but it was made under duress. Lowry had quit playing. The team could not score anymore. We still had playoff aspirations, which were unfounded, and (of course) Rozier never played in the postseason. That's basketball. Miami will find a way too fix itself. One of our undrafted players will save us.

[bgrep14]

Robinson and Herro for Beal would be interesting. Then trade Rozier, Jovic, Jaquez, and Ware for Garland.

Garland, Beal, Butler, Love, Bam

[DaVoiceMaster]

Portland trades: Grant, Williams III, Thybulle, Reath, Walker Jr

Miami trades: Herro, Robinson, Jaques Jr, Ware, 2026 1st Rd Pick (Unprotected)

Los Angeles Lakers trade: Vincent, 2025 2nd Rd Pick, 2027 2nd Rd Pick

Miami Roster
PG Rozier / Vincent
SG Butler / Richardson
SF Grant / Burks
PF Bam / Bryant / Walker / Jovic
_C Williams III / Love / Reath / Robinson

First, we can't trade our 26 first.

Second, you put Jovic way too far down on your lineup

Third, it would help a great deal if you told us who gets what in the deal.

Finally, in no conceivable way does Miami ever touch this. First, I guarantee you Riley hasn't forgotten or forgiven last summers embarrassment. He won't be giving up a haul like this to you for a lesser player. I'm not being belligerent here, Riley is known to be like this. Second, I don't value Grant to that degree. I doubt many would. Finally, 'm not convinced JJJ can't be better than Grant as soon as this year. That's not homerism as much as me being relatively low on Grant.

I tried editing my post last night with explanations and the website glitched, gave me an error message, and wiped out everything I typed out. Thybulle goes to the Lakers. Everyone else from Portland and Vincent from LA goes to Miami. I tried to include Simons, but Miami only has Rozier's contract left to trade and I figured Miami would just as soon keep him.

I'm fairly confident Cronin has forgotten last summer's low ball offer after getting a better offer from Milwaukee. I like Jaquez Jr and he's the whole reason for this trade idea. I have no interest in Herro or Robinson. I'm not sure anyone does and I don't know what type of realistic trade you can expect in return. I believe Riley shopped them previously with no success. I don't think Jaques Jr and Jovic are enough of a difference make (at this point) to get you a significant return.

[babyjax13]

Herro + pick and any filler needed for Middleton? I think that raises Miami's ceiling in the short term. Milwaukee gets younger, a bit worse, but adds a first that they can use for an upgrade elsewhere?

[JeffFosters]

To me the guy Miami needs to make a move for is Trae. His value seems to be somewhat low right now. Something along the lines of Herro, Rozier and a first for Young. He fits perfectly with Bam as a facilitator and ultimate floor spacer. He can be the number one option and take the scoring burden from Butler. His age fits both the Butler and Bam builds. I just don’t know if Atlanta will move him since they do not own their own draft picks for the next few seasons.


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I’m late to this thread but this is the right target for Miami. If they can mold him in to a heat culture psycho with his skill set it would be a home run.

The issue is that the salaries are a bit wonky. It would need to include 2 of Robinson, Herro and Rozier. I’d imagine Miami would prefer to include Herro’s deal with Rozier’s expiring but I’m not sure ATL would be thrilled about the $100m left for Herro. I love the idea and fit but hard to see an actual deal.

[BBallFreak]

Robinson and Herro for Beal would be interesting. Then trade Rozier, Jovic, Jaquez, and Ware for Garland.

Garland, Beal, Butler, Love, Bam

Beal is an absolute no go for Miami. No reason for us to take on that putrid contract. I'd rather just do the Garland trade (though I don't care for that, at all as I mentioned earlier in the thread).

[BBallFreak]

I'm fairly confident Cronin has forgotten last summer's low ball offer after getting a better offer from Milwaukee.

Why would he hold a grudge when he's fleecing us, here?

I like Jaquez Jr and he's the whole reason for this trade idea.

I like Jaquez Jr and he's one of many reasons I would decline this trade.

I have no interest in Herro or Robinson. I'm not sure anyone does and I don't know what type of realistic trade you can expect in return.

Herro was said to be worth an expiring and a late first last year. Supposedly several teams were interested. Robinson hasn't been shopped but he should easily be able to draw a similar return given his skillset. I don't care that Portland isn't one of the teams interested. You have depth on the wings and that's fine.

I believe Riley shopped them previously with no success. I don't think Jaques Jr and Jovic are enough of a difference make (at this point) to get you a significant return.

You have the right to your opinion but you, yourself, just attempted to make a deal involving one of your better players for Jaquez Jr, so that seems a bit contradictory to me...

[BBallFreak]

Miami should probably just blow it up, they have pretty much maxed out with this core and are stuck treadmilling for the next few years. Might as well get out of it and start over.

I think they should've moved Jimmy to OKC before the draft. Gotten their pick this year and a cpl in future years along with Giddey. If there's anyone who can fix him, it's Spo and Heat culture.

I tought we should have moved him, as well. It's time. But I wouldn't have made Giddey the centerpiece for any trade.

[VaDe255]

Makes no sense to trade all the future away.
This build is done, I hope they suck next season and Jimmy is traded at the deadline, best for him and the team.

[HeatIn5]

Heats best play is developing young guys and trying to keep the books clean going into the 26-27 offseason when you’ll have Bam, Herro as a 33M expiring, and rookie contracts.

You find a way to move Herro between now and that offseason without giving up any picks or contracts passed that. It’s the way out of this.

[BBallFreak]

Makes no sense to trade all the future away.
This build is done, I hope they suck next season and Jimmy is traded at the deadline, best for him and the team.

I agree. If it had been up to me we'd have moved Jimmy this off-season and recouped some assets. But, it wasn't up to me. I'm guessing this is the direction we'll go in. Maybe not all our youth but a fair amount of it.