Trades and Transactions thread cont - post Mikal trade

[NoDopeOnSundays]

That’s my point tho, the roster is pretty much built already.

Brunson and Randle have extensions due.

Their intentions towards Randle is the only question mark left.

If Brunson agrees to an early extension that would set the tone for what Randle can expect.

If they don't give Randle an extension now they're waiting to see what happens in the playoffs, obviously if we win the title he gets it regardless. But, there's also the fact that Mikal only has 2 years left on his deal as well.


The new CBA seems to paint a picture of 3 maxes at most and even that seems to be pushing it. The fact that OG played the 4 well during the playoffs, and that Mikal can create shots to make up for Randles shot creation if he's moved, it seems like he's on the clock this season and would be the guy they would have to let go. Just like the Clippers had to let PG13 go.


They aren't moving any of the Nova guys, they're bedrock on this team now, and OG just got paid so Randle has to show and prove.

[3toheadmelo]

Brunson and Randle have extensions due.

Their intentions towards Randle is the only question mark left.

If Brunson agrees to an early extension that would set the tone for what Randle can expect.

If they don't give Randle an extension now they're waiting to see what happens in the playoffs, obviously if we win the title he gets it regardless. But, there's also the fact that Mikal only has 2 years left on his deal as well.


The new CBA seems to paint a picture of 3 maxes at most and even that seems to be pushing it. The fact that OG played the 4 well during the playoffs, and that Mikal can create shots to make up for Randles shot creation if he's moved, it seems like he's on the clock this season and would be the guy they would have to let go. Just like the Clippers had to let PG13 go.

Mikal can't replace Randle offensively though. He's doesn't have the same type of gravity that Randle has, and isn't nearly as good as a shot creator/playmaker. Relying on Mikal to be our #2 would doom us and would put us behind Boston/Philly. If we are replacing Randle next year, we need a true all star.
This is all moot though. Randle isnt going anywhere now.

[Clyde_Style]

Brunson and Randle have extensions due.

Their intentions towards Randle is the only question mark left.

If Brunson agrees to an early extension that would set the tone for what Randle can expect.

If they don't give Randle an extension now they're waiting to see what happens in the playoffs, obviously if we win the title he gets it regardless. But, there's also the fact that Mikal only has 2 years left on his deal as well.


The new CBA seems to paint a picture of 3 maxes at most and even that seems to be pushing it. The fact that OG played the 4 well during the playoffs, and that Mikal can create shots to make up for Randles shot creation if he's moved, it seems like he's on the clock this season and would be the guy they would have to let go. Just like the Clippers had to let PG13 go.


They aren't moving any of the Nova guys, they're bedrock on this team now, and OG just got paid so Randle has to show and prove.

I think you're spot on

He will have his opportunity to earn a big extension and it may still come down to his playoff performance even if he puts up all star numbers during the regular

[Clyde_Style]

One route could be to try to turn Randle into you ger, cheaper pieces with high upsides. For example, Randle to HOU for Smith and Eason (and one of their expiring contracts. Those two are cost controlled for several seasons and Smith can play some small ball 5 with a 5-out offense. Our scouts would have to believe in the fit and upside of those two guys in NY

The best way to turn Randle into yogurt is adding a culture starter and letting him ferment

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Their intentions towards Randle is the only question mark left.

If Brunson agrees to an early extension that would set the tone for what Randle can expect.

If they don't give Randle an extension now they're waiting to see what happens in the playoffs, obviously if we win the title he gets it regardless. But, there's also the fact that Mikal only has 2 years left on his deal as well.


The new CBA seems to paint a picture of 3 maxes at most and even that seems to be pushing it. The fact that OG played the 4 well during the playoffs, and that Mikal can create shots to make up for Randles shot creation if he's moved, it seems like he's on the clock this season and would be the guy they would have to let go. Just like the Clippers had to let PG13 go.

Mikal can't replace Randle offensively though. He's doesn't have the same type of gravity that Randle has, and isn't nearly as good as a shot creator/playmaker. Relying on Mikal to be our #2 would doom us and would put us behind Boston/Philly. If we are replacing Randle next year, we need a true all star.
This is all moot though. Randle isnt going anywhere now.

The new CBA is going to make it hard to keep all these guys together, if they resigned Randle we'll have 4 guys making $160 million per in 2 yrs time when Mikal will get his deal. That's if Brunson takes less than his max too, he's going to be eligible for the supermax now since he made all NBA which is nearly $60 million per. The Clippers have the wealthiest owner in the NBA and a new arena and even they had to take a step back and lose a max player just because of the new CBA. And moving players when you're over the 2nd apron is difficult, so it's not as simple as just resign him and trade him for a star.

Gravity in the regular season and playoffs are two different things, in the words of Kendrick "time for him to prove that he's a problem" in April-June. The best playoff teams aren't sending help like that until it becomes too much of an issue not to, so we'll have to wait and see if he can do it, so far he hasn't.

[3toheadmelo]

If they don't give Randle an extension now they're waiting to see what happens in the playoffs, obviously if we win the title he gets it regardless. But, there's also the fact that Mikal only has 2 years left on his deal as well.


The new CBA seems to paint a picture of 3 maxes at most and even that seems to be pushing it. The fact that OG played the 4 well during the playoffs, and that Mikal can create shots to make up for Randles shot creation if he's moved, it seems like he's on the clock this season and would be the guy they would have to let go. Just like the Clippers had to let PG13 go.

Mikal can't replace Randle offensively though. He's doesn't have the same type of gravity that Randle has, and isn't nearly as good as a shot creator/playmaker. Relying on Mikal to be our #2 would doom us and would put us behind Boston/Philly. If we are replacing Randle next year, we need a true all star.
This is all moot though. Randle isnt going anywhere now.

The new CBA is going to make it hard to keep all these guys together, if they resigned Randle we'll have 4 guys making $160 million per in 2 yrs time when Mikal will get his deal. That's if Brunson takes less than his max too, he's going to be eligible for the supermax now since he made all NBA which is nearly $60 million per. The Clippers have the wealthiest owner in the NBA and a new arena and even they had to take a step back and lose a max player just because of the new CBA. And moving players when you're over the 2nd apron is difficult, so it's not as simple as just resign him and trade him for a star.

Gravity in the regular season and playoffs are two different things, in the words of Kendrick "time for him to prove that he's a problem" in April-June. The best playoff teams aren't sending help like that until it becomes too much of an issue not to, so we'll have to wait and see if he can do it, so far he hasn't.

Dolan ain't cheap that mf gonna pay
Like I mentioned a couple days ago, Randle had a some good games in the post season last year on one ankle and Brunson's EFG% was much higher when Randle was ON the court versus when he wasn't. He still had an impact gravity wise.
Just look, this is against the Heat in the playoffs. That gravity still translates to the post season.



Im optimistic he can play well at full strength since we saw flashes last year on one ankle. We'll see what happens this time around.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Mikal can't replace Randle offensively though. He's doesn't have the same type of gravity that Randle has, and isn't nearly as good as a shot creator/playmaker. Relying on Mikal to be our #2 would doom us and would put us behind Boston/Philly. If we are replacing Randle next year, we need a true all star.
This is all moot though. Randle isnt going anywhere now.

The new CBA is going to make it hard to keep all these guys together, if they resigned Randle we'll have 4 guys making $160 million per in 2 yrs time when Mikal will get his deal. That's if Brunson takes less than his max too, he's going to be eligible for the supermax now since he made all NBA which is nearly $60 million per. The Clippers have the wealthiest owner in the NBA and a new arena and even they had to take a step back and lose a max player just because of the new CBA. And moving players when you're over the 2nd apron is difficult, so it's not as simple as just resign him and trade him for a star.

Gravity in the regular season and playoffs are two different things, in the words of Kendrick "time for him to prove that he's a problem" in April-June. The best playoff teams aren't sending help like that until it becomes too much of an issue not to, so we'll have to wait and see if he can do it, so far he hasn't.

Dolan ain't cheap that mf gonna pay
Like I mentioned a couple days ago, Randle had a some good games in the post season last year on one ankle and Brunson's EFG% was much higher when Randle was ON the court versus when he wasn't. He still had an impact gravity wise.
Just look, this is against the Heat in the playoffs. That gravity still translates to the post season.



Im optimistic he can play well at full strength since we saw flashes last year on one ankle. We'll see what happens this time around.

Dolan may pay it, but the issue isn't so much owners being cheap as much as it is that it penalizes you for spending over the luxury/aprons in a competitive fashion that makes it harder and harder to build and keep a team together.

If Randle has a good season and lays an egg in the playoffs, we'd be screwed if he's extended now, that's just the truth. The best approach is wait and see how he does before committing to him, with the new CBA you can't just be loyal to a player anymore.

[SelbyCobra]

One route could be to try to turn Randle into you ger, cheaper pieces with high upsides. For example, Randle to HOU for Smith and Eason (and one of their expiring contracts. Those two are cost controlled for several seasons and Smith can play some small ball 5 with a 5-out offense. Our scouts would have to believe in the fit and upside of those two guys in NY

100% aboard this train. Randle for younger, ascendant pieces - reset the timeline and potential of the asset while continuing to compete. Best case scenario to me.

The Warriors tried this type of route (draft picks instead of already drafted younger pieces) and failed because their talent evaluation was faulty, but man, if they had hit on it they'd still be rolling - they were this close: Lamelo (3rd) instead of Wiseman (2nd) in 2020, and then Wagner (8th) instead of Kuminga (7th) and Sengun (16th) instead of Moody (14th) in 2021.

[HarthorneWingo]

Someone should do a Summer League thread soon.

[sol537]

One route could be to try to turn Randle into you ger, cheaper pieces with high upsides. For example, Randle to HOU for Smith and Eason (and one of their expiring contracts. Those two are cost controlled for several seasons and Smith can play some small ball 5 with a 5-out offense. Our scouts would have to believe in the fit and upside of those two guys in NY

100% aboard this train. Randle for younger, ascendant pieces - reset the timeline and potential of the asset while continuing to compete. Best case scenario to me.

The Warriors tried this type of route (draft picks instead of already drafted younger pieces) and failed because their talent evaluation was faulty, but man, if they had hit on it they'd still be rolling - they were this close: Lamelo (3rd) instead of Wiseman (2nd) in 2020, and then Wagner (8th) instead of Kuminga (7th) and Sengun (16th) instead of Moody (14th) in 2021.

Yeah… seems inevitable that we’ll have to part with Randle at some point. Might get one or two playoff runs with him before we swap him out. Hoping we can win it with him. He’d have to be January Randle basically for us to have a realistic chance.

[Clyde_Style]

Someone should do a Summer League thread soon.

[Richard4444]

One route could be to try to turn Randle into you ger, cheaper pieces with high upsides. For example, Randle to HOU for Smith and Eason (and one of their expiring contracts. Those two are cost controlled for several seasons and Smith can play some small ball 5 with a 5-out offense. Our scouts would have to believe in the fit and upside of those two guys in NY

It would be a wise move.

However, Houston is not interested. They are ready to shred salary to be a cap-spaced team next season. If they are after Randle. They will get him for free just like the Sixers did with PG13.

Its very hard to find Randle suitors. The teams that are contending don't have the fillers, apron space, assets or fit to trade for Randle. Besides, he is a huge flight risk. He will be UFA next season.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

It's not a question about paying the luxury tax for the Knicks or the Nets. (Or a bunch of other teams.) It's just about roster construction under the second apron (or if going over it for only short periods )

Ok. Maybe the Knicks will have $160m tied up in salary for for players. But the second apron will be $230m. And they will still have 3-5 guys making $2.5m

[aggo]

prediction:

next summer we will sign and trade randle for Evan mobley

[Richard4444]

prediction:

next summer we will sign and trade randle for Evan mobley

We cant receive players in sign and trade if we above the first apron.

[Fat]

Someone should do a Summer League thread soon.

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[BKlutch]

Someone should do a Summer League thread soon.

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Well furnished, for a trailer.

[HarthorneWingo]

Someone should do a Summer League thread soon.

Who this

Your sister?

[BKlutch]

Who this

Your sister?

Who is Fat's sister voting for?

[Knick4Real]

The new CBA is going to make it hard to keep all these guys together, if they resigned Randle we'll have 4 guys making $160 million per in 2 yrs time when Mikal will get his deal. That's if Brunson takes less than his max too, he's going to be eligible for the supermax now since he made all NBA which is nearly $60 million per. The Clippers have the wealthiest owner in the NBA and a new arena and even they had to take a step back and lose a max player just because of the new CBA. And moving players when you're over the 2nd apron is difficult, so it's not as simple as just resign him and trade him for a star.

Gravity in the regular season and playoffs are two different things, in the words of Kendrick "time for him to prove that he's a problem" in April-June. The best playoff teams aren't sending help like that until it becomes too much of an issue not to, so we'll have to wait and see if he can do it, so far he hasn't.

Dolan ain't cheap that mf gonna pay
Like I mentioned a couple days ago, Randle had a some good games in the post season last year on one ankle and Brunson's EFG% was much higher when Randle was ON the court versus when he wasn't. He still had an impact gravity wise.
Just look, this is against the Heat in the playoffs. That gravity still translates to the post season.



Im optimistic he can play well at full strength since we saw flashes last year on one ankle. We'll see what happens this time around.

Dolan may pay it, but the issue isn't so much owners being cheap as much as it is that it penalizes you for spending over the luxury/aprons in a competitive fashion that makes it harder and harder to build and keep a team together.

If Randle has a good season and lays an egg in the playoffs, we'd be screwed if he's extended now, that's just the truth. The best approach is wait and see how he does before committing to him, with the new CBA you can't just be loyal to a player anymore.

This is exactly what Adam Silver wants out of the new CBA. Teams with deep spending pockets can no longer take a "the sky's the limit" position, while smaller market teams that can't afford to keep up are left out. Silver wants parity and to level the playing field across the league.

Dolan's money and willingness to spend will no longer matter. He will have a limit or be heavily penalized.