Off-season Roster Update, 2024-25 – (Walker, last Ex-10 Player Waived)

[Fencer reregistered]

Assuming a regular contract for Scheierman and a 2-way for Watson, we have only one regular and one 2-way slot open for the upcoming season.

White
Holiday
Brown
Tatum
Porzingis

Pritchard
Hauser
Horford

Tillman
Kornet
Queta

Springer
Walsh
Scheierman

(2-way) Watson
(2-way) Peterson

That's 16 guys.

Who else can reasonably be regarded as being on the offseason roster right now?

[cloverleaf]

Assuming a regular contract for Scheierman and a 2-way for Watson, we have only one regular and one 2-way slot open for the upcoming season.

White
Holiday
Brown
Tatum
Porzingis

Pritchard
Hauser
Horford

Tillman
Kornet
Queta

Springer
Walsh
Scheierman

(2-way) Watson
(2-way) Peterson

That's 16 guys.

Who else can reasonably be regarded as being on the offseason roster right now?

They're still working on Davison.

[snowman]

Assuming a regular contract for Scheierman and a 2-way for Watson, we have only one regular and one 2-way slot open for the upcoming season.

White
Holiday
Brown
Tatum
Porzingis

Pritchard
Hauser
Horford

Tillman
Kornet
Queta

Springer
Walsh
Scheierman

(2-way) Watson
(2-way) Peterson

That's 16 guys.

Who else can reasonably be regarded as being on the offseason roster right now?

They're still working on Davison.

Brad will probably wait for a while before seriously looking at someone to sign. He probably has his eye on someone and is monitoring their situation. A number of variables will go into it, I'm sure. Mainly, will that person sign for the minimum and does that person fill a need? Will that person mess up the vibe of the locker room?

[Hal14]

Assuming a regular contract for Scheierman and a 2-way for Watson, we have only one regular and one 2-way slot open for the upcoming season.

White
Holiday
Brown
Tatum
Porzingis

Pritchard
Hauser
Horford

Tillman
Kornet
Queta

Springer
Walsh
Scheierman

(2-way) Watson
(2-way) Peterson

That's 16 guys.

Who else can reasonably be regarded as being on the offseason roster right now?

They're still working on Davison.

Brad will probably wait for a while before seriously looking at someone to sign. He probably has his eye on someone and is monitoring their situation. A number of variables will go into it, I'm sure. Mainly, will that person sign for the minimum and does that person fill a need? Will that person mess up the vibe of the locker room?

There's also a good chance we leave the 15th spot open - like last year (for flexibility, and to save $)

[shackles10]

They're still working on Davison.

Brad will probably wait for a while before seriously looking at someone to sign. He probably has his eye on someone and is monitoring their situation. A number of variables will go into it, I'm sure. Mainly, will that person sign for the minimum and does that person fill a need? Will that person mess up the vibe of the locker room?

There's also a good chance we leave the 15th spot open - like last year (for flexibility, and to save $)

Very possible. I wonder if the difference of knowing a starter will be out until Dec/Jan makes a difference in that decision? Like if KP was out when we traded for him last year would we have kept the spot open then even?

[Hal14]

Brad will probably wait for a while before seriously looking at someone to sign. He probably has his eye on someone and is monitoring their situation. A number of variables will go into it, I'm sure. Mainly, will that person sign for the minimum and does that person fill a need? Will that person mess up the vibe of the locker room?

There's also a good chance we leave the 15th spot open - like last year (for flexibility, and to save $)

Very possible. I wonder if the difference of knowing a starter will be out until Dec/Jan makes a difference in that decision? Like if KP was out when we traded for him last year would we have kept the spot open then even?

It's a fair question.

We did have a fully healthy team during training camp last year.

And the year before that, when Time Lord had surgery and was gonna be out for the first 2+ months of the season, we did start the season with the full 15 guys - rather than 14..

If we do go with 15 guys..the last spot would probably either go to:
-Brissett
-Svi (seems redundant with Scheierman here, so I doubt it's Svi but you never know..)
-Watson
-Perhaps someone else

Seems like whoever it is, likely will not play very much..

[Fencer reregistered]

There's also a good chance we leave the 15th spot open - like last year (for flexibility, and to save $)

Very possible. I wonder if the difference of knowing a starter will be out until Dec/Jan makes a difference in that decision? Like if KP was out when we traded for him last year would we have kept the spot open then even?

It's a fair question.

We did have a fully healthy team during training camp last year.

And the year before that, when Time Lord had surgery and was gonna be out for the first 2+ months of the season, we did start the season with the full 15 guys - rather than 14..

If we do go with 15 guys..the last spot would probably either go to:
-Brissett
-Svi (seems redundant with Scheierman here, so I doubt it's Svi but you never know..)
-Watson
-Perhaps someone else

Seems like whoever it is, likely will not play very much..

Horford, Kornet, Tillman, Queta, Watson (2-way) is pretty good coverage for the positions of traditional and/or "stretch" center. I could easily see them going with that.

[shackles10]

If you’re a guy who outplays a vet min deal but at the same time can’t secure more than that what do you prioritize in where you begrudgingly accept the vet min offer from? History of the league is full of guys getting paid (often overpaid) because they played on a title team. The history is also filled with guys putting up numbers on bad teams because they got lots of playing time/shots and getting paid too. Ideally they look for a PHX/PHI situation where not a doormat team but also spots for PT available too. Once those dry up would they even consider us or prioritize the playing time instead?

[cloverleaf]

If you’re a guy who outplays a vet min deal but at the same time can’t secure more than that what do you prioritize in where you begrudgingly accept the vet min offer from? History of the league is full of guys getting paid (often overpaid) because they played on a title team. The history is also filled with guys putting up numbers on bad teams because they got lots of playing time/shots and getting paid too. Ideally they look for a PHX/PHI situation where not a doormat team but also spots for PT available too. Once those dry up would they even consider us or prioritize the playing time instead?

Length of contract, playing time, chances to win, and lifestyle preferences for the city to varying degrees to the different tastes of individual players (and maybe their families) in part dependent on the stage in their career.

[shackles10]

If you’re a guy who outplays a vet min deal but at the same time can’t secure more than that what do you prioritize in where you begrudgingly accept the vet min offer from? History of the league is full of guys getting paid (often overpaid) because they played on a title team. The history is also filled with guys putting up numbers on bad teams because they got lots of playing time/shots and getting paid too. Ideally they look for a PHX/PHI situation where not a doormat team but also spots for PT available too. Once those dry up would they even consider us or prioritize the playing time instead?

Length of contract, playing time, chances to win, and lifestyle preferences for the city to varying degrees to the different tastes of individual players (and maybe their families) in part dependent on the stage in their career.

Agreed but these contracts are only 1 year, 2 years max. Playing time over chances to win? I kinda agree, so think that puts us firmly in last for those prioritizing this way too. Need someone who’d flip those priorities around which might be someone who’s made a ton of money and near the end of the career too.

[cloverleaf]

If you’re a guy who outplays a vet min deal but at the same time can’t secure more than that what do you prioritize in where you begrudgingly accept the vet min offer from? History of the league is full of guys getting paid (often overpaid) because they played on a title team. The history is also filled with guys putting up numbers on bad teams because they got lots of playing time/shots and getting paid too. Ideally they look for a PHX/PHI situation where not a doormat team but also spots for PT available too. Once those dry up would they even consider us or prioritize the playing time instead?

Length of contract, playing time, chances to win, and lifestyle preferences for the city to varying degrees to the different tastes of individual players (and maybe their families) in part dependent on the stage in their career.

Agreed but these contracts are only 1 year, 2 years max. Playing time over chances to win? I kinda agree, so think that puts us firmly in last for those prioritizing this way too. Need someone who’d flip those priorities around which might be someone who’s made a ton of money and near the end of the career too.

I think they'd rather make do without such a guy to assure that Joe doles out plenty of minutes to the young guys. Brad has said, however, that they'll see how that goes and maybe adjust a bit at the deadline if necessary.

I think they're trying to lure Davison into a 2-way for a third year. He's still very young for playing a tough position on a championship team. But if he's coming along and gets interest elsewhere, I wouldn't completely rule out their elevating him to the 15th slot if really necessary.

[Hal14]

So Peterson is the only one signed to a 2-way.

I figure Watson will get 1 of the other 2-ways..and the other will go to either JD, Ron Harper Jr or Tristan Enaruna.

All of these guys will likely be playing on our SL team, so we should have a much more clear idea of this after SL..

[Parliament10]

So Peterson is the only one signed to a 2-way.

I figure Watson will get 1 of the other 2-ways..and the other will go to either JD, Ron Harper Jr or Tristan Enaruna.

All of these guys will likely be playing on our SL team, so we should have a much more clear idea of this after SL..

I thought that Watson was signed right away?
Is it not official, yet?

[Parliament10]

Assuming a regular contract for Scheierman and a 2-way for Watson, we have only one regular and one 2-way slot open for the upcoming season.

White
Holiday
Brown
Tatum
Porzingis

Pritchard
Hauser
Horford

Tillman
Kornet
Queta

Springer
Walsh
Scheierman

(2-way) Watson
(2-way) Peterson

That's 16 guys.

Who else can reasonably be regarded as being on the offseason roster right now?

We'll see if Davison ends up taking the 3rd Two-Way.
I think that the 14th (NBA) spot stays empty, unless someone who knocks it out of the park becomes available.

Exhibit-10 (up to 6 x at a time, but not over 21-Man Total)
Enaruna


Celtics Roster, 21-Man Offseason, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum - Horford
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Walsh - Tillman - Kornet
Reserves: XXXX - Springer - Scheierman - XXXX - Queta
Two-Ways: (Davison?) - Peterson - Watson
Exhibit 10: Enaruna, XXXX,

Injured
Porzingis

[Hal14]

As pertains our three 2way roster spots. Seems certain one will go to Anton Watson. It seems JD Davison can have one if he wants one. And then there’s not been a word so far if the team wants to bring back Drew Peterson, who is a good bit older, back on a 2way.

I’m monitoring the Indiana Pacers because they just made three 2nd round picks and last year they had Oscar Tshiebwe on a two way and he was the most dominant rebounder in the G last year. So that’s four prospects that they probably want to keep in their G league system but they are limited to three 2way contracts. I’m keeping an eye on Indiana and who they let go, if anyone.

They have:
Johnny Furphy
Enrique Freeman
Tristen Newton
Oscar Tshiebwe

If they don’t roster anyone on the big club, one will not get a 2way and I’d be intrigued by any of them for one of our remaining 2ways.

It's an interesting thought. But the Pacers literally just drafted 3 of those guys a couple weeks ago..they're not gonna waive them already. Especially since they had no 1st round picks this year, so it's even more important for them to prioritize the development of their 2nd rounders.

I'm sure those 3 2nd rounders will either be on a 2-way or standard roster spot.

Only one who might get waived is Tshiebwe (went undrafted, turns 25 in November, only played in 8 games for the Pacers last yr as a rookie).

But I feel like out of these 4 guys, 1 gets a standard roster spot and the other 3 get a 2-way.

If Tshiebwe does get waived, sure we could look at him for a 2-way spot. But he's a big who doesn't shoot, doesn't switch defensively, is kind of slow, doesn't have much passing feel. He's kind of like Queta except shorter and not as good.

[Hal14]

So Peterson is the only one signed to a 2-way.

I figure Watson will get 1 of the other 2-ways..and the other will go to either JD, Ron Harper Jr or Tristan Enaruna.

All of these guys will likely be playing on our SL team, so we should have a much more clear idea of this after SL..

I thought that Watson was signed right away?
Is it not official, yet?

I don't believe Watson has signed a contract yet.

Just hearing that he will "likely" sign a 2-way, but don't believe anything is official yet.

Scheierman just sighed his contract yesterday (and Tatum signed his supermax contract) so perhaps Watson will be next..

[Fencer reregistered]

Assuming a regular contract for Scheierman and a 2-way for Watson, we have only one regular and one 2-way slot open for the upcoming season.

White
Holiday
Brown
Tatum
Porzingis

Pritchard
Hauser
Horford

Tillman
Kornet
Queta

Springer
Walsh
Scheierman

(2-way) Watson
(2-way) Peterson

That's 16 guys.

Who else can reasonably be regarded as being on the offseason roster right now?

We'll see if Davison ends up taking the 3rd Two-Way.
I think that the 14th (NBA) spot stays empty, unless someone who knocks it out of the park becomes available.

Exhibit-10 (up to 6 x at a time, but not over 21-Man Total)
Enaruna


Celtics Roster, 21-Man Offseason, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum - Horford
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Walsh - Tillman - Kornet
Reserves: XXXX - Springer - Scheierman - XXXX - Queta
Two-Ways: (Davison?) - Peterson - Watson
Exhibit 10: Enaruna, XXXX,

Injured
Porzingis

I'm not sure what is gained by listing a roster of 15 divided into starters/rotation/reserves and excluding Porzingis from it. By the time such role distinctions matter, Porzingis will be counted among the 14-15.

[Parliament10]

Doesn't it feel like we could use, up to 4 or 5 Two-Ways? -- I think that the League will eventually go to 5.
But, if any Team screams for that, I see it here with the Celtics.


Celtics Roster, 21-Man Offseason, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum -Horford
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Walsh - Tillman - Kornet
Reserves: XXXX - Springer - Scheierman - XXXX - Queta
Two-Ways: (Davison?) - Peterson - Watson
Exhibit 10: Enaruna, XXXX,

Injured
Porzingis

[darrendaye]

So, roughly figuring out how minutes may go, here's where I am. 3 minutes floating around, lol. I lean to Tatum taking them at SF and playing either Tillman or Kornet a tick more. The 3 minutes at SF is a bit silly, but, the main idea is where the big men shake out pre-Porzingis.

PG: White (26/32)/Pritchard (22)
SG: Holiday (32)/White (6/32)/Hauser (10/22)
SF: Brown (33)/ Hauser (12/22) (3?)
PF: Tatum (35)/Tillman (13)
C: Horford (26)/Queta (14)/Kornet (8)

[hugepatsfan]

Doesn't it feel like we could use, up to 4 or 5 Two-Ways? -- I think that the League will eventually go to 5.
But, if any Team screams for that, I see it here with the Celtics.


Celtics Roster, 21-Man Offseason, 2024-25:
Starters: Holiday - White - Brown - Tatum -Horford
Rotation: Pritchard - Hauser - Walsh - Tillman - Kornet
Reserves: XXXX - Springer - Scheierman - XXXX - Queta
Two-Ways: (Davison?) - Peterson - Watson
Exhibit 10: Enaruna, XXXX,

Injured
Porzingis

Not so sure that's in the best interest of the league or the players to do that. Being some team's 20th man isn't the best thing. Puts a guy waaaaaaaaay down the list to earn minutes. Forcing a team that has a surplus of talent to have to waive someone gives him an opportunity to pursue a better situation elsewhere.

In the NFL, teams have practice squads but other teams can sign players off of yours. They just have to keep him on the active roster for a certain number of weeks. Wouldn't mind something similar, if they expanded the number of 2-way slots in the NBA.

Maybe each team gets to designate 3 "exclusive" 2-way players and then for the other 2 spots, NBA teams have the option to sign them to their active roster if the guy is crushing it in the GLeague or his NBA cameos.