Scottie isn't going to be a #1 option superstar in this league

[Johnny Bball]

Raptors have a coach that is willing to be patient and put him in situations to succeed. FO is building around him as the first option and seems to have stepped back to a longer term goal. He has all the talent to be just that.

Someone said he has the drive to be just that, but I question that, and the question is does he really has the will/drive to be that good. Because that is all that will hold him back, is the will/drive to do it. But that will has to be an extreme type of will that very few have. And I have yet to see him display that, but he's young.

[Scase]

Literally just watched a team full of #2 and 3s win a title and somehow came to this conclusion of a thread

Calling tatum a #2 is probably one of the most absurd things I've ever read on these boards.

In the last 4 years he has put up 26, 27, 30, and 27ppg. Has been in the MVP race for 3 of the last 4 years and made All NBA 1st teams in the last 3 years straight. All by 25 years old. And you're going to call him a #2?

I swear to god, some of the stuff said on here.....

[Shakril]

Literally just watched a team full of #2 and 3s win a title and somehow came to this conclusion of a thread

Calling tatum a #2 is probably one of the most absurd things I've ever read on these boards.

In the last 4 years he has put up 26, 27, 30, and 27ppg. Has been in the MVP race for 3 of the last 4 years and made All NBA 1st teams in the last 3 years straight. All by 25 years old. And you're going to call him a #2?

I swear to god, some of the stuff said on here.....

Let me correct you:

- Due to the Teamperformance of the Celtics, he was mentioned in the MVP race, but never was close to winning it.
- Everytime the Celtics needed him to step up he failed.
- Winnnig the Chip this year, was due to Team performance, not cause Tatum was awesome or great. His performance was ok not good.
- Stats are good to look at, but in the end its all about winning and the impact you have on it. And Tatums impact on winning the chip was rather small.

He is a great #2 guy, but to call him a #1 guy is an insult to #1 Guys.

[refshateRaps]

Literally just watched a team full of #2 and 3s win a title and somehow came to this conclusion of a thread

Calling tatum a #2 is probably one of the most absurd things I've ever read on these boards.

In the last 4 years he has put up 26, 27, 30, and 27ppg. Has been in the MVP race for 3 of the last 4 years and made All NBA 1st teams in the last 3 years straight. All by 25 years old. And you're going to call him a #2?

I swear to god, some of the stuff said on here.....

Tatum loses some luster as a superstar for the simple reason the Celtics are trying to win titles and he's being surrounded by other high level talent in a system. Many Raptors fans cant comprehend as we've been conditioned to accept a lone 'face of the franchise' mentality for better only once and more often then not worse.

it says more about Tatums character being able to fit into a winning system. We can only hope both management and Barnes take this avenue in a couple seasons.

[Scase]

Literally just watched a team full of #2 and 3s win a title and somehow came to this conclusion of a thread

Calling tatum a #2 is probably one of the most absurd things I've ever read on these boards.

In the last 4 years he has put up 26, 27, 30, and 27ppg. Has been in the MVP race for 3 of the last 4 years and made All NBA 1st teams in the last 3 years straight. All by 25 years old. And you're going to call him a #2?

I swear to god, some of the stuff said on here.....

Let me correct you:

- Due to the Teamperformance of the Celtics, he was mentioned in the MVP race, but never was close to winning it.
- Everytime the Celtics needed him to step up he failed.
- Winnnig the Chip this year, was due to Team performance, not cause Tatum was awesome or great. His performance was ok not good.
- Stats are good to look at, but in the end its all about winning and the impact you have on it. And Tatums impact on winning the chip was rather small.

He is a great #2 guy, but to call him a #1 guy is an insult to #1 Guys.

So we're just going to ignore multiple years of deep playoff runs with him as the number 1 option? Don't you have a Poeltl post to make and claim how he's a top 10 centre?

Tatum would instantly be the best player on this team by a wide margin, and would be the same on most of the teams in the league. No one is saying he's Luka, who by the way is a "true" #1 option and just lost to the fake one, but suggesting he isn't a #1 guy is just daft.

[Scizzup]

Literally just watched a team full of #2 and 3s win a title and somehow came to this conclusion of a thread

Calling tatum a #2 is probably one of the most absurd things I've ever read on these boards.

In the last 4 years he has put up 26, 27, 30, and 27ppg. Has been in the MVP race for 3 of the last 4 years and made All NBA 1st teams in the last 3 years straight. All by 25 years old. And you're going to call him a #2?

I swear to god, some of the stuff said on here.....

Tatum loses some luster as a superstar for the simple reason the Celtics are trying to win titles and he's being surrounded by other high level talent in a system. Many Raptors fans cant comprehend as we've been conditioned to accept a lone 'face of the franchise' mentality for better only once and more often then not worse.

it says more about Tatums character being able to fit into a winning system. We can only hope both management and Barnes take this avenue in a couple seasons.

It has nothing to do with the roster or "unselfishness". Tatum is playing on the best spaced out starting line up (arguably in history). He should be more efficient as a scorer than he is.

However, Tatum is a number 1 but he just isn't an All time offensive player like Curry/KD/Harden etc. People tend to look through that lens when they say a number 1. Tatum is a better 2 way player than those group of guys but he is a worse player overall. This is fine because Curry/KD are top 20 players and Harden is top 40. You don't have to be one of the best 40 players of all time to be the best player on a title team.

Scottie path to stardom would be similar to Tatum. good defender and rebounder with above average playmaking. Only issue is Tatum is a lot better scorer than Scottie has ever been at any point in their career.

[Merit]

Butler can get to the rim, he is more a guard.
Meanwhile, I am surprised Tatum isn't close to MVP level, and his shooting is pretty good.
Both of them are two-way player, they can defend multiple positions, not so much with Barnes.

One thing Barnes can do is defend multiple positions.

Sadly he cannot, and our head coach puts him as a free roam help defender. He cannot turn his hip to defender quicker players.

We agree to disagree.

[canada_dry]

I'm sure I wasn't the only one disappointed to see him not looking to score more after Siakam left. Even if he was less efficient doing it, you still expect the scoring numbers to go up instead of down with all those FGA's available.

That was an issue.

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Because he doesn't have the arsenal offensively to take that volume of shots in the NBA.

Yet.

He may or may not develop them. We don't know yet.

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[refshateRaps]

Calling tatum a #2 is probably one of the most absurd things I've ever read on these boards.

In the last 4 years he has put up 26, 27, 30, and 27ppg. Has been in the MVP race for 3 of the last 4 years and made All NBA 1st teams in the last 3 years straight. All by 25 years old. And you're going to call him a #2?

I swear to god, some of the stuff said on here.....

Tatum loses some luster as a superstar for the simple reason the Celtics are trying to win titles and he's being surrounded by other high level talent in a system. Many Raptors fans cant comprehend as we've been conditioned to accept a lone 'face of the franchise' mentality for better only once and more often then not worse.

it says more about Tatums character being able to fit into a winning system. We can only hope both management and Barnes take this avenue in a couple seasons.

It has nothing to do with the roster or "unselfishness". Tatum is playing on the best spaced out starting line up (arguably in history). He should be more efficient as a scorer than he is.

However, Tatum is a number 1 but he just isn't an All time offensive player like Curry/KD/Harden etc. People tend to look through that lens when they say a number 1. Tatum is a better 2 way player than those group of guys but he is a worse player overall. This is fine because Curry/KD are top 20 players and Harden is top 40. You don't have to be one of the best 40 players of all time to be the best player on a title team.

Scottie path to stardom would be similar to Tatum. good defender and rebounder with above average playmaking. Only issue is Tatum is a lot better scorer than Scottie has ever been at any point in their career.

Based on the poll many want or expect Scottie to be a #1 option. Very Bosh-esque to have Scottie as a #1. Scottie is a great piece that will need many others including a Superstar or at least Allstar scorer and other high level pieces to help space the floor to even consider us a potential and serious team.

[Badonkadonk]

Where's the "#1 option is a meaningless and outdated phrase in the NBA" choice?

[ItsDanger]

When your half court offense stinks, having a #1 go to option that can get their offense in single coverage matters A LOT.

[Senbonzakura]

When your half court offense stinks, having a #1 go to option that can get their offense in single coverage matters A LOT.

This is literally how we won the title but our fans want to ignore it. And that team had a loaded supporting cast around Kawhi. We STILL had games where we just needed Kawhi to mine buckets cause we were getting clamped and nobody else was scoring. Especially in the Sixers series.

[ItsDanger]

When your half court offense stinks, having a #1 go to option that can get their offense in single coverage matters A LOT.

This is literally how we won the title but our fans want to ignore it. And that team had a loaded supporting cast around Kawhi. We STILL had games where we just needed Kawhi to mine buckets cause we were getting clamped and nobody else was scoring. Especially in the Sixers series.

C'mon bro, the game has "evolved" since then, that was a long time ago!

[Westside Gunn]

Best player on a championship team? You don't get those often and to say Barnes can or can't be one of them is too early to say. Based on stats highly unlikely.

Even Doncic couldn't achieve it.

As for a #1 option superstar, I think Masai has paved the way with Barret and Quickley taking some pressure off of him and allowing him to shine. Let's see what happens. I think this should be the year where we get to see what kind of player Barnes can really be. It's his 4th year, he's gotten his money, he's got help, what else does he need?

[And1+2]

I mean, duh. But he will be a damn good player, nonetheless.

[Scizzup]

Tatum loses some luster as a superstar for the simple reason the Celtics are trying to win titles and he's being surrounded by other high level talent in a system. Many Raptors fans cant comprehend as we've been conditioned to accept a lone 'face of the franchise' mentality for better only once and more often then not worse.

it says more about Tatums character being able to fit into a winning system. We can only hope both management and Barnes take this avenue in a couple seasons.

It has nothing to do with the roster or "unselfishness". Tatum is playing on the best spaced out starting line up (arguably in history). He should be more efficient as a scorer than he is.

However, Tatum is a number 1 but he just isn't an All time offensive player like Curry/KD/Harden etc. People tend to look through that lens when they say a number 1. Tatum is a better 2 way player than those group of guys but he is a worse player overall. This is fine because Curry/KD are top 20 players and Harden is top 40. You don't have to be one of the best 40 players of all time to be the best player on a title team.

Scottie path to stardom would be similar to Tatum. good defender and rebounder with above average playmaking. Only issue is Tatum is a lot better scorer than Scottie has ever been at any point in their career.

Based on the poll many want or expect Scottie to be a #1 option. Very Bosh-esque to have Scottie as a #1. Scottie is a great piece that will need many others including a Superstar or at least Allstar scorer and other high level pieces to help space the floor to even consider us a potential and serious team.

I don't expect Scottie to be a top 10 player in the league or the best offensive player on a title team. Tatum is that.

I see Scottie as a prime Lowry type player. More raw stats (rebounding) but similar or slightly less impact. Lowry at his best was a top 15 ish player in the league by most impact stats, he was just too small to ever be a resilient playoff scorer. Ideally and the hope should be Barnes is a 2B on offense, which means he is a playing with one guy clearly better on offense and another one that is debatable.

[Blazing_royale]

We gotta build and develop with what we have. DeMar and Lowry was not #1 option either but look what it got us in 2019.

[refshateRaps]

It has nothing to do with the roster or "unselfishness". Tatum is playing on the best spaced out starting line up (arguably in history). He should be more efficient as a scorer than he is.

However, Tatum is a number 1 but he just isn't an All time offensive player like Curry/KD/Harden etc. People tend to look through that lens when they say a number 1. Tatum is a better 2 way player than those group of guys but he is a worse player overall. This is fine because Curry/KD are top 20 players and Harden is top 40. You don't have to be one of the best 40 players of all time to be the best player on a title team.

Scottie path to stardom would be similar to Tatum. good defender and rebounder with above average playmaking. Only issue is Tatum is a lot better scorer than Scottie has ever been at any point in their career.

Based on the poll many want or expect Scottie to be a #1 option. Very Bosh-esque to have Scottie as a #1. Scottie is a great piece that will need many others including a Superstar or at least Allstar scorer and other high level pieces to help space the floor to even consider us a potential and serious team.

I don't expect Scottie to be a top 10 player in the league or the best offensive player on a title team. Tatum is that.

I see Scottie as a prime Lowry type player. More raw stats (rebounding) but similar or slightly less impact. Lowry at his best was a top 15 ish player in the league by most impact stats, he was just too small to ever be a resilient playoff scorer. Ideally and the hope should be Barnes is a 2B on offense, which means he is a playing with one guy clearly better on offense and another one that is debatable.

Lowry is in a league to himself in his one of a kind play both timely shooting, picking spots and grit D, but you are likely correct ranking his impact close to to 15. I want to see Scottie become more like Bosh on the Heat with more vision to facilitate shooters around him.

[Clutch0z24]

Think Masai will build around Barnes as if he is the number one option....But we will draft someone in 2025/2026 that takes that role from him....The last 2 drafts we went with 3 point Shooters Dick/Walter ....So it seems thats a vocal point in building up the roster for Barnes...

Its crazy to think that we are 1 player away from having a potential dynasty though....If we get a top 5 pick next year as Barnes/IQ/Dick/Walter/Barrett grow together you have one of the best young teams in basketball...

[agkagk]

Hes kevin garnett with better offence and significantly worse defense.

He needs to play down low and play bully ball.

Hes got to embrace his natural instinct to hurt people lol.