Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[Daver]

Just wanna say Wiggins sucks and Id want no part of him

Yet your happy with moody n looney wow would ratber have AJJ as our starting 2 thsn fu... moody.What a absolute garbage package that is for brook.2 garbage players n a below average 3rd if thats my option im taking wiggins sll day n 2xs on sunday

[raferfenix]

So if Spotrac's trade machine is right, and if the Bucks or Warriors do not make a different move to change up our apron status:

- Moody + GP2 + Looney for Lopez works

- Wiggins straight up for Lopez does not and Bucks can't aggregate players to get there.

- Bobby's contract just doesn't fit any combo of players because Warriors are hard-capped at 1st apron.

[JayMKE]

Just wanna say Wiggins sucks and Id want no part of him

Yet your happy with moody n looney wow would ratber have AJJ as our starting 2 thsn fu... moody.What a absolute garbage package that is for brook.2 garbage players n a below average 3rd if thats my option im taking wiggins sll day n 2xs on sunday

Didn’t say that, think i just keep Brook and let him expire versus Wiggins tho

[MickeyDavis]

I've always liked GP2, including when he was here. Can't blame him for sins of the father.

That has nothing to do with it. He's just not very good.

[fansinceforever]

I don't want do that trade either but I think it's time to give up the idea that we're bringing in a legit starting shooting guard for Brook and/or Bobby.

[raferfenix]

How good (and good of a fit) is Moody really?

If that’s a serious question no way do I think GP2 makes a difference.

Possible the Bucks asked for a first in addition and that’s where Dunleavy had Larry Harris whine to Gery?

[Bernman]

I've always liked GP2, including when he was here. Can't blame him for sins of the father.

That has nothing to do with it. He's just not very good.

I thought that must play a factor, because he consistently has positive on/offs, contributed positively to a 'ship, & fits our need.

My only concern here is the injuries.

[ShootingtheJ]

Our championship window is 3 years at the max.

Our championship window is as long as Giannis is here. 36 year old Giannis could lead a championship team in 2031.

Respectfully disagree. Giannis’ game isn’t going to age well. Obviously could change, but as he plays now? No way.

Never seen a guy lose his ball handling skills, or lose his arm length. Giannis is going to continue to grow his game for a long time.

[Rstuedes24]

Glad some warrior fans don't hate the same package I've been saying. Lopez/Pat for Moody/Wiggins
If we can pull a pick or 2 as well than even better
Dump Marjon to someone for a future 2nd
Beg Reed to come start next to Giannis, bring back Bev, sign another backup big like Theis

Dame/Delon/AJJ
Moody/Bev/AJG
Khris/AJax/Livingston
Giannis/Wiggins/Smith
Reed/Bobby/Theis

[yb90]

Glad some warrior fans don't hate the same package I've been saying. Lopez/Pat for Moody/Wiggins
If we can pull a pick or 2 as well than even better
Dump Marjon to someone for a future 2nd
Beg Reed to come start next to Giannis, bring back Bev, sign another backup big like Theis

Dame/Delon/AJJ
Moody/Bev/AJG
Khris/AJax/Livingston
Giannis/Wiggins/Smith
Reed/Bobby/Theis

In this scenario you left off Prince. So Wiggins would likely back up Khris and Prince would back up Giannis. One of Bev, Reed, and Theis likely never make the roster.

I am one of the few who would take a chance on Wiggins simply because of his defensive versatility and transition offense. He would be at most a 4th option. A highly paid 4th option. Scary? Yes, but that's the NBA. Sometimes title contenders take risk and if you can take a risk without giving up draft picks then thats smart.

[RiotPunch]

For reference, I have us at:

MKE - $191,009,786
2nd - $188,931,000 ($2,078,786 over)
1st - $178,132,000 ($12,877,786 over)

[JayMKE]

Wiggins puts us that much deeper into cap hell and would cost money to dump later on, he sucks too. Not that desperate, ultimate fool’s gold player. More chance of our young players hitting than him finding passion for basketball while his bag is secure.

[Daver]

I don't want do that trade either but I think it's time to give up the idea that we're bringing in a legit starting shooting guard for Brook and/or Bobby.

Not saying thst but you get below thst 2nd apron you can sign a gary trent to be your 2 guard for only like 5 to 6 million he wants to plsy here n i thinknanything above minimum gets him

[Daver]

Glad some warrior fans don't hate the same package I've been saying. Lopez/Pat for Moody/Wiggins
If we can pull a pick or 2 as well than even better
Dump Marjon to someone for a future 2nd
Beg Reed to come start next to Giannis, bring back Bev, sign another backup big like Theis

Dame/Delon/AJJ
Moody/Bev/AJG
Khris/AJax/Livingston
Giannis/Wiggins/Smith
Reed/Bobby/Theis

In this scenario you left off Prince. So Wiggins would likely back up Khris and Prince would back up Giannis. One of Bev, Reed, and Theis likely never make the roster.

I am one of the few who would take a chance on Wiggins simply because of his defensive versatility and transition offense. He would be at most a 4th option. A highly paid 4th option. Scary? Yes, but that's the NBA. Sometimes title contenders take risk and if you can take a risk without giving up draft picks then thats smart.

Have moody as a starter but eiggins coming off the bench great way to keep him enganged.If im trading for wiggins hes my #2 guard and i agree he eould be our 4th option on O but does bring quality D

[ShootingtheJ]

Wiggins no longer cares about basketball and no longer defends. He was well below replacement level last year with years left on a fat contract. Warriors are done with him and are desperate to dump him.

Just so no Bucks!

[bdpecore]

Glad some warrior fans don't hate the same package I've been saying. Lopez/Pat for Moody/Wiggins
If we can pull a pick or 2 as well than even better
Dump Marjon to someone for a future 2nd
Beg Reed to come start next to Giannis, bring back Bev, sign another backup big like Theis

Dame/Delon/AJJ
Moody/Bev/AJG
Khris/AJax/Livingston
Giannis/Wiggins/Smith
Reed/Bobby/Theis

In this scenario you left off Prince. So Wiggins would likely back up Khris and Prince would back up Giannis. One of Bev, Reed, and Theis likely never make the roster.

I am one of the few who would take a chance on Wiggins simply because of his defensive versatility and transition offense. He would be at most a 4th option. A highly paid 4th option. Scary? Yes, but that's the NBA. Sometimes title contenders take risk and if you can take a risk without giving up draft picks then thats smart.

I don't think we will be able to sign both Reed and Theis as both players are only signing for the minimum if they are guaranteed significant playing time (20+ mpg). I would also slide Wiggins into our starting SG spot so we have switchable wings playing alongside Dame. Also if we are adding both Moody and Wiggins I don't see a need to resign PBev. No need to fill the 15th roster spot right away as it gives Horst more flexibility to make in-season adjustments.

Dame, Wright, Johnson
Wiggins, Moody, Green
Midds, AJax, Livingston
Giannis, Prince, Smith
Reed/Theis, Portis

[bdpecore]

I don't want do that trade either but I think it's time to give up the idea that we're bringing in a legit starting shooting guard for Brook and/or Bobby.

Not saying thst but you get below thst 2nd apron you can sign a gary trent to be your 2 guard for only like 5 to 6 million he wants to plsy here n i thinknanything above minimum gets him

They will have to still be under the 2nd apron after using the TPMLE to sign GTJ which means Horst will need to dump over $7.2MM of salary to do so.

[Fotis St]

Just fire Horst for not getting us under 2nd apron already

[Frank Nova]

Wiggins is a tough one to understand. He looked like Jaylen Brown when GSW beat Boston a few seasons ago. Then he took that leave of absence and GSW was real secretive about it and there was tons of speculation and idk if the truth ever even surfaced, but he hasn’t been the same player since.

If being around Kerr Steph and Green wasn’t motivating enough I’m not sure what the difference would be with Doc Giannis and Dame. That’s a high risk moderate reward move it seems like now, I think we can do better.

I’m not one that is on this Moses Moody gravy train. Not that I think he sucks or anything but eating Wiggins contract and personal problems for the right to hope and pray Moses Moody is a championship caliber starter sounds absolutely ridiculous to me.

Kuminga remains the only interesting Warrior worth talking about and he’s a pipe dream now. The time to strike for him was when he hit Kerrs dog house after he went to the media to complain about being unhappy in his situation.

[raferfenix]

Zach Lowe emphasized on his latest pod that he knows what Wiggins’ personal issues were that kept him off the court and it was serious and understandable.

Either way his contract is scary in the 2nd apron era even aside from his Tim Thomas syndrome.

I only take on Wiggins’ deal if we are properly incentivized. Moody will need an extension as well.

I’ve also seen Wiggins referred to as a combo forward moreso than SG these days. If we were to pick up him and Moody I wonder if it’d be part of a commitment to small ball. Bobby would be a bad fit in the starting lineup and it’s not like we’d have another option up front — unless we pull Trayce Jackson-Davis as the incentive in the deal, which might be the stop for the Warriors.

We’d also need to get beneath the 2nd apron to make it work. If another team absorbing MarJon is all that takes we’d just need to plan for that too.

That’d leave us at:

Wiggins + Moody + TBD assets (TDJ or a pick) for Brook + Pat + MarJon to 3rd team

PG: Dame, Wright
SG: Moody, AJ’s
SF: Wiggins
PF: Middleton, (Trayce Jackson-Davis if we get him)
C: Giannis, Bobby

TDJ would be the sticking point here. Golden State might require a pick from us to go there.