Clippers need a consolidation trade for PF

[clippertown]

Clips still need to make some moves to consolidate talent, with the goal of getting a true power forward that will allow Kawhi to play at the wing position and get less wear and tear as the season grinds on.

The lineup so far is as follows:

C = Zubac / Bamba / Kai
PF = ??? / Batum / Tucker
SF = Kawhi / DJJ / Coffey
SG = Mann / Norm / KPJ / Christie
PG = Harden / Dunn / Russ / Bones

Who can the Clips get for Mann, Norm, Russ, Tucker and Bones?

My suggestion is:

LAC IN = Collins
DEN IN = Mann + Tucker + Russ
UTAH IN = Porter Jr

This gives the Clips the stretch PF they need on a 2yr deal and can slide KPJ into the starter role. It gives Denver the backup PG and PF they need plus Mann will be a solid replacement for Porter Jr at less cost. Denver also saves around $9M. Utah gets another solid, if overpaid, young player for their rebuild. Some draft consideration may be necessary as additional incentive to Denver.

I am sure there are other options the Clips need to consider if this doesn't work. Thoughts or suggestions?

[jayjaysee]

I stick with Tucker/Powell/one-two 2nds for Collins/Dunn is simple and Utah should it no matter how the rest of their offseason is planned.. Maybe Powell ends up somewhere else to save Utah more money (or get a useless player and some extra seconds?).. but Utah should do it with Powell coming in and try to flip him once some team needs scoring help..

I was wondering how much value LAC could get from Denver if they were willing to eat Nnaji? Depending on the follow up trade, it wouldn’t force them over the tax and LAC probably can sit on Nnaji’s salary the next couple years realistically..

Say..

Coffey, Russ to Denver
Nnaji and ?? to LAC.

And then use that value, with whatever 2nds they have, and Tucker/Powell to go get a PF..

[raferfenix]

Something around Bobby Portis for Mann or Powell?

[MoneyTalks41890]

Collins, Portis, Jerami Grant seem like good targets.

[BelgradeNugget]

Of course no for MPJ for Mann + Tucker + Rus, I mean...

on the other hand

Coffey, Russ to Denver
Nnaji to LAC

this idea makes sense, just no more value from Denver.
It is not like teams are fighting for Russ or Coffey. Nnaji, 2 years ago as 20yo averaged 6.6/3.6/0.4 shooting 51.6%/46.3%(0.9-2)/63.1% in 17 minutes off the bench. If the Clippers want to try him OK. If they don't, good again. I think this story Denver/Jokic want Russ is overblown. Clippers should try to find starting PF using Russ/Tucker/Mann/Coffy somewhere else.

[bgrep14]

Niang for Westbrook + anyone you want to throw in to make salaries work if necessary

[jayjaysee]

Of course no for MPJ for Mann + Tucker + Rus, I mean...

on the other hand

Coffey, Russ to Denver
Nnaji to LAC

this idea makes sense, just no more value from Denver.
It is not like teams are fighting for Russ or Coffey. Nnaji, 2 years ago as 20yo averaged 6.6/3.6/0.4 shooting 51.6%/46.3%(0.9-2)/63.1% in 17 minutes off the bench. If the Clippers want to try him OK. If they don't, good again. I think this story Denver/Jokic want Russ is overblown. Clippers should try to find starting PF using Russ/Tucker/Mann/Coffy somewhere else.

So the last 111 regular season games don’t factor in here? I think most would want those games cited.

[Devilanche]

Of course no for MPJ for Mann + Tucker + Rus, I mean...

on the other hand

Coffey, Russ to Denver
Nnaji to LAC

this idea makes sense, just no more value from Denver.
It is not like teams are fighting for Russ or Coffey. Nnaji, 2 years ago as 20yo averaged 6.6/3.6/0.4 shooting 51.6%/46.3%(0.9-2)/63.1% in 17 minutes off the bench. If the Clippers want to try him OK. If they don't, good again. I think this story Denver/Jokic want Russ is overblown. Clippers should try to find starting PF using Russ/Tucker/Mann/Coffy somewhere else.

So the last 111 regular season games don’t factor in here? I think most would want those games cited.

2 season ago he was paid as a rookie . Now he’s probably overpaid for his production. If Denver want to move him as a neutral salary, they need to rebuild his value.

Unless someone else have a disappointing longer term contract they want move ?

[bgrep14]

Of course no for MPJ for Mann + Tucker + Rus, I mean...

on the other hand

Coffey, Russ to Denver
Nnaji to LAC

this idea makes sense, just no more value from Denver.
It is not like teams are fighting for Russ or Coffey. Nnaji, 2 years ago as 20yo averaged 6.6/3.6/0.4 shooting 51.6%/46.3%(0.9-2)/63.1% in 17 minutes off the bench. If the Clippers want to try him OK. If they don't, good again. I think this story Denver/Jokic want Russ is overblown. Clippers should try to find starting PF using Russ/Tucker/Mann/Coffy somewhere else.

So the last 111 regular season games don’t factor in here? I think most would want those games cited.

2 season ago he was paid as a rookie . Now he’s probably overpaid for his production. If Denver want to move him as a neutral salary, they need to rebuild his value.

Unless someone else have a disappointing longer term contract they want move ?

Coffey and Russ/Hyland for Niang!

[jayjaysee]

So the last 111 regular season games don’t factor in here? I think most would want those games cited.

2 season ago he was paid as a rookie . Now he’s probably overpaid for his production. If Denver want to move him as a neutral salary, they need to rebuild his value.

Unless someone else have a disappointing longer term contract they want move ?

Coffey and Russ for Niang!

How is 7 million expiring (useful bench bodies) for 3yr23 (not useful) a deal?

I know I suggested the base - but why would any team take that without some incentive..

[HornetJail]

Grant would be a nice target, but I don't have Portland wanting or needing any of the players the Clippers have to offer them (Tucker, Mann, Bones, Coffey). No way the Clippers throw their last remaining 1st at him right?

[BelgradeNugget]

Of course no for MPJ for Mann + Tucker + Rus, I mean...

on the other hand

Coffey, Russ to Denver
Nnaji to LAC

this idea makes sense, just no more value from Denver.
It is not like teams are fighting for Russ or Coffey. Nnaji, 2 years ago as 20yo averaged 6.6/3.6/0.4 shooting 51.6%/46.3%(0.9-2)/63.1% in 17 minutes off the bench. If the Clippers want to try him OK. If they don't, good again. I think this story Denver/Jokic want Russ is overblown. Clippers should try to find starting PF using Russ/Tucker/Mann/Coffy somewhere else.

So the last 111 regular season games don’t factor in here? I think most would want those games cited.

2 season ago he was paid as a rookie. Now he’s probably overpaid for his production. If Denver want to move him as a neutral salary, they need to rebuild his value.

Unless someone else have a disappointing longer term contract they want move ?

I agree with you 100% regarding Nnaji. His last 2 seasons were disapointment. He is overpaid. Bad contract. No value.
My point was this. What value could Clippers get for Coffey, Russ? 0. Who wants them other then maybe Denver? No body. And that is big maybe.

We saw some rummors Nuggets/Jokic want Russ. What if this is not truth. Let's start from assumption this come from Russ's agent. So in that case what is the value of Coffey/Russ?

That is why I said, when Nnaji was younger he was better with some upside. If some team thinks he was missused in Denver and can get something from him OK, it is on them. But the other side of exuation has 0 value too.

If Nuggets wanted to add value to Nnaji in a trade it would have been 1st I guess to clear some space to resign KCP, and for much better return. They didn't do that. What is the point doing it now?

[Devilanche]

So the last 111 regular season games don’t factor in here? I think most would want those games cited.

2 season ago he was paid as a rookie. Now he’s probably overpaid for his production. If Denver want to move him as a neutral salary, they need to rebuild his value.

Unless someone else have a disappointing longer term contract they want move ?

I agree with you 100% regarding Nnaji. His last 2 seasons were disapointment. He is overpaid. Bad contract. No value.
My point was this. What value could Clippers get for Coffey, Russ? 0. Who wants them other then maybe Denver? No body. And that is big maybe.

We saw some rummors Nuggets/Jokic want Russ. What if this is not truth. Let's start from assumption this come from Russ's agent. So in that case what is the value of Coffey/Russ?

That is why I said, when Nnaji was younger he was better with some upside. If some team thinks he was missused in Denver and can get something from him OK, it is on them. But the other side of exuation has 0 value too.

If Nuggets wanted to add value to Nnaji in a trade it would have been 1st I guess to clear some space to resign KCP, and for much better return. They didn't do that. What is the point doing it now?

The 2 clippers are expiring I believe while Nnaji is 3 or 4 years ?

So that’s minor negative for a larger negative salary commitment.

[jayjaysee]

If Ballmer is willing to pay some tax, but stay under the apron..

Tucker, Coffey and Bones for Barnes

LAC should be able fill out bench under the apron or can clear a bit more in a Russ trade, SA gets to keep the swap and turn Barnes into expirings. Probably waive Bones and let Tucker stay as a good vet on practice?

LAC can duck the tax midseason by trading Powell for 12-14 million, if they decide it’s not worth spending the money.

[jayjaysee]

Then was thinking Powell for Grant Williams base, CLT has guard depth but I think they could use a vet shooter and he’s only on a two year deal..

Powell to CLT
Tucker+Bones to SAS
Barnes+Grant Williams to LAC

With your team getting seconds. Probably terrible.