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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#461 » by jc23 » Mon Jul 8, 2024 6:13 pm

Ice Man wrote:Kelsey off the bench doesn't really address the issue, because Clark never leaves the court, so whenever Kelsey is playing the Fever will still have the perimeter defense issue. I mean, it's not as if Mitchell will ever be paired with a defensive guard. It will always be Clark.

Although I don't think that Clark is all that bad as a defender, as she's long for her position and usually does a good job of staying in front of her mark. She's pretty good against drives, doesn't get pushed around like Mitchell does. Clark's main defensive problem is that she goes under every screen, always.


true. its still so weird that the wnba has 10 minute quarters. change that and depth starts to matter.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#462 » by Ice Man » Mon Jul 8, 2024 6:18 pm

jc23 wrote:its still so weird that the wnba has 10 minute quarters.


Yep, I scratch my head constantly at that. It's like when track and field used to shorten the distance for the female runners. Have them run 3,000 meters rather than 5,000 meters! Uh, guys, keep things standard. The women won't fall over in exhaustion if you do.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#463 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 8, 2024 6:43 pm

DOT wrote:They should trade Kelsey to the Sun (we have 1 player shooting above league average from 3 who's taken more than 8 total 3s on the year).


Smith would drop buckets on the Sun playing with AT.

Dijonai Carrington might be open to that. But personally there is no way in hell I trade Dijonai anywhere. You win championships with players like her.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#464 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 8, 2024 6:45 pm

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jc23 wrote:its still so weird that the wnba has 10 minute quarters.


Yep, I scratch my head constantly at that. It's like when track and field used to shorten the distance for the female runners. Have them run 3,000 meters rather than 5,000 meters! Uh, guys, keep things standard. The women won't fall over in exhaustion if you do.


Yeah I agree with you both. There's zero reason why the games can't be lengthened.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#465 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 8, 2024 6:48 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Clark needs to develop her mid range game in the half court.

I don't see how she could have come this far without working on it. I guess she'd just rather shoot the threes. It's either drive to the basket or shoot the three.

clark shot more midrange earlier in her career at iowa but it dwindled over time, by her senior year it was 3 or layup only. coming off that senior year, it's just what she's used to at this point. that iowa team was min/maxing all the way on efficient shots

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Clark needs to get back to that in the half court.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#466 » by Ice Man » Mon Jul 8, 2024 6:53 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Clark needs to get back to that in the half court.


Fortunately for Fever fans, she realizes that. I saw a question where she was asked how much more she had in her offensive bag of tricks. She was honest enough to reply, "Not much." She understands that what worked perfect for NCAA ball is not enough for the WNBA. But realistically, the change won't happen this season, although she will have a month during the Olympics to start re-installing her midrange game.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#467 » by rmontro » Mon Jul 8, 2024 6:58 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Yeah I agree with you both. There's zero reason why the games can't be lengthened.

You guys have a valid point, but if it were up to me I wouldn't change it. I love that I can watch a professional sporting event in two hours. It's almost a perfect fit for my attention span. Sometimes they can get rather lengthy - five set tennis matches (but women play three - so there's an example where they aren't the same), MLB has taken numerous steps to keep their games shorter. I find two hour games refreshing.

I feel the same way about movies. Some are worthy of being three hours, but a lot of two hour movies would work better at 90 minutes. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#468 » by Ghetto Gospel » Mon Jul 8, 2024 7:02 pm

eh FIBA play 10 minute quarters, womens college plays 10 minute quarters and mens college plays 20 minute halves, it's the nba that extend the games to 12 minute quarters and are the weird ones
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#469 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 8, 2024 7:11 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Clark needs to get back to that in the half court.


Fortunately for Fever fans, she realizes that. I saw a question where she was asked how much more she had in her offensive bag of tricks. She was honest enough to reply, "Not much." She understands that what worked perfect for NCAA ball is not enough for the WNBA. But realistically, the change won't happen this season, although she will have a month during the Olympics to start re-installing her midrange game.


That's an honest assessment, at least she's self aware of this.

The break isn't enough time for her to reinvent the wheel but I expect to see new wrinkles to her game next season. I wonder if she will play in the 3 v 3 league this winter?
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#470 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 8, 2024 7:13 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Yeah I agree with you both. There's zero reason why the games can't be lengthened.

You guys have a valid point, but if it were up to me I wouldn't change it. I love that I can watch a professional sporting event in two hours. It's almost a perfect fit for my attention span. Sometimes they can get rather lengthy - five set tennis matches (but women play three - so there's an example where they aren't the same), MLB has taken numerous steps to keep their games shorter. I find two hour games refreshing.

I feel the same way about movies. Some are worthy of being three hours, but a lot of two hour movies would work better at 90 minutes. But that's just my opinion.


You know what? This is a good point.

My attention span has become awful, but W games I can watch without my mind wandering or messing with my phone because the quarters end way quicker than the men's games do so you've gotta be locked in.

My love for MLB has made it's way back since they started to speed up games too.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#471 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 8, 2024 7:14 pm

Ghetto Gospel wrote:eh FIBA play 10 minute quarters, womens college plays 10 minute quarters and mens college plays 20 minute halves, it's the nba that extend the games to 12 minute quarters and are the weird ones


:lol: true.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#472 » by Ice Man » Mon Jul 8, 2024 7:16 pm

rmontro wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Yeah I agree with you both. There's zero reason why the games can't be lengthened.

You guys have a valid point, but if it were up to me I wouldn't change it. I love that I can watch a professional sporting event in two hours. It's almost a perfect fit for my attention span. Sometimes they can get rather lengthy - five set tennis matches (but women play three - so there's an example where they aren't the same), MLB has taken numerous steps to keep their games shorter. I find two hour games refreshing.

I feel the same way about movies. Some are worthy of being three hours, but a lot of two hour movies would work better at 90 minutes. But that's just my opinion.


Yeah, I get that. What I do like about the WNBA is that if a game is alleged to start at 7 PM, it starts at 7 PM. Thank the Lord for that. Also, no TV timeouts. Now if they could just speed up the video reviews ...
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#473 » by Ghetto Gospel » Mon Jul 8, 2024 7:24 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
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MrDollarBills wrote:Yeah I agree with you both. There's zero reason why the games can't be lengthened.

You guys have a valid point, but if it were up to me I wouldn't change it. I love that I can watch a professional sporting event in two hours. It's almost a perfect fit for my attention span. Sometimes they can get rather lengthy - five set tennis matches (but women play three - so there's an example where they aren't the same), MLB has taken numerous steps to keep their games shorter. I find two hour games refreshing.

I feel the same way about movies. Some are worthy of being three hours, but a lot of two hour movies would work better at 90 minutes. But that's just my opinion.


You know what? This is a good point.

My attention span has become awful, but W games I can watch without my mind wandering or messing with my phone because the quarters end way quicker than the men's games do so you've gotta be locked in.

My love for MLB has made it's way back since they started to speed up games too.


i also like that the best players on the teams are just always playing. i was watching seattle vs chicago last night and i noticed that seattle starters are basically playing the whole game; they played 36, 36, 33, 37, and 33 minutes respectively. i get that the reserve players aren't getting much shine but with the league expanding, we'll see some more players get their shine.

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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#474 » by Ice Man » Mon Jul 8, 2024 9:04 pm

While we're at this subject, which is not Indiana specific, but whatever ... WNBA players *play*. I mean, they show up and play. Every game, always. And it's not just because the season is shorter. Plenty of NBA stars miss some of their team's first 20 games.
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Post#475 » by ellobo » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:07 am

Ghetto Gospel wrote:eh FIBA play 10 minute quarters, womens college plays 10 minute quarters and mens college plays 20 minute halves, it's the nba that extend the games to 12 minute quarters and are the weird ones


Yeah, the NBA is the only league in the world that plays 48 minutes. I really like the 40 minute games with a 6 foul limit because you get to see the stars/starters play more of the game.
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#476 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:23 pm

Ice Man wrote:While we're at this subject, which is not Indiana specific, but whatever ... WNBA players *play*. I mean, they show up and play. Every game, always. And it's not just because the season is shorter. Plenty of NBA stars miss some of their team's first 20 games.


I cannot recall ever watching a WNBA game where the players looked like they were going through the motions. The players compete hard across the league.

If a team gets thoroughly beaten, it's not a lack of effort, it's most likely a talent disparity. I can't say that about the NBA where I can rattle off numerous times I've seen guys just flat out quit or roll over. This is why I honestly enjoy the W more than the NBA. The players actually care, which is a shame when you look at the pay gap
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Post#477 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:06 pm

Fever down 10 on the 3rd to WAS
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Post#478 » by Ghetto Gospel » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:16 pm

im surprised these mystic were 0-12 to start the season. they're well coached
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#479 » by Ghetto Gospel » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:09 pm

no idea why clark wasnt involved at the end of the game again when she brought them back
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Re: Indiana Fever 2024 

Post#480 » by DOT » Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:20 pm

Christie Sides really said "okay, we're down by 5, Caitlin has been on fire this quarter, better use her as a decoy and have Kelsey Mitchell iso 3. She's 0-7 this game, she's due to make one!"

I feel bad for Fever fans, that was almost an incredible comeback.
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