RGM GOAT Debate Thread

[SlimShady83]

Damn Maybe I should of put Luka on the goat debate Poll

[therealbig3]

Literally just created another MJ vs LeBron GOAT debate despite one being stickied already.

[Mavrelous]

He's not in the GOAT conversation...

[Stannis]

Jordan's greatest accolade was the 3-peat. And then another one 2 years later.

I would not judge him any differently if he had final losses before, in-between, or after those accolades. If anything, I would give him higher praise for not getting knocked out by the Celtics , Pistons, and Magic.

6 for 6 isn't better than 6 for 9.

Anyways, Luka has a long road to even be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan. Unless he gets a 3-peat or something, it's looking very unlikely.

[Stannis]

I think Jordan is the GOAT. However, I still don't get the 6/6 accolade. Wouldn't it have been better if Jordan went 6/9, which would mean he wouldn't have lost to the Pistons and Magic?

What makes him the GOAT imho is the double three-peats. He just overly dominated his era.

[Homer38]

everytime the OP take a huge L like this thread below,he start start trolling and start a another dumb thread a few day later

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2393035&start=40

[Capn'O]

I think Jordan is the GOAT. However, I still don't get the 6/6 accolade. Wouldn't it have been better if Jordan went 6/9, which would mean he wouldn't have lost to the Pistons and Magic?

What makes him the GOAT imho is the double three-peats. He just overly dominated his era.

For me, it's that there's not a single playoff series where you can comfortably say that another player outplayed him. Given his opponents, that was a pretty tall order. Even in their '95 loss against the Magic, Jordan put up the best numbers, though I must admit I didn't watch that series so couldn't tell you if Shaq or Penny outplayed him.

As you say, given the two three-peats, that's incredible that there wasn't one series where he just wasn't up to snuff and got outplayed. Or earlier being too daunted by the Celtics or Pistons to perform well. He was always above his peers.

[SlimShady83]

Literally just created another MJ vs LeBron GOAT debate despite one being stickied already.

Lol it's up to the mods here on in

[JJ_PR]

Y'all are seriously gonna argue that if MJ had made the Finals 4 more times but lost to go 6-4 that his argument as GOAT would be weaker

I mean, 6-0 is better than 6-4.

[Edrees]

No. If Luka wins the next 8 titles, nobody can argue Jordan is better despite the finals loss.

Of course, that wont happen, but it's a possibility.

Y'all are seriously gonna argue that if MJ had made the Finals 4 more times but lost to go 6-4 that his argument as GOAT would be weaker

I mean, 6-0 is better than 6-4.

Using that logic, 1-0 is better than 12-13 as well. but if someone had 12 titles you would not consider 1-0 the better player.

Also, 6-0 instead of 6-4 implies 0-4 in the first three rounds. So the full story is
6-0 + 0-4 in the first three rounds
or
6-4 + 4-0 in the first three rounds

[CBS7]

Y'all are seriously gonna argue that if MJ had made the Finals 4 more times but lost to go 6-4 that his argument as GOAT would be weaker

I mean, 6-0 is better than 6-4.

It isn't though, because 6-0 isn't really 6-0

[JJ_PR]

Y'all are seriously gonna argue that if MJ had made the Finals 4 more times but lost to go 6-4 that his argument as GOAT would be weaker

I mean, 6-0 is better than 6-4.

It isn't though, because 6-0 isn't really 6-0

I don't quite understand what you mean by "6-0 isn't really 6-0". 6-0 is literally, 6-0.

Making 10 finals is quite an accomplishment, LBJ deserves praise for that. But Jordan has more championships, plain and simple.

[TheGeneral99]

Y'all are seriously gonna argue that if MJ had made the Finals 4 more times but lost to go 6-4 that his argument as GOAT would be weaker

I mean, 6-0 is better than 6-4.

This is bad reasoning.

6-4 is better than 6-0 because that means you were able to make the finals 4 more times. Not sure why you would be penalized for carrying your team deeper in the playoffs more times? So Jordan is rewarded for not being able to make it out of his conference every other season, lol?

If Lebron was 6-4 in the Finals instead of 4-6 he would easily be the GOAT, but because he only has 4 championships and he's played 7 more seasons than Jordan, he's usually not considered that.

[JM00n69]

Jordan's greatest accolade was the 3-peat. And then another one 2 years later.

I would not judge him any differently if he had final losses before, in-between, or after those accolades. If anything, I would give him higher praise for not getting knocked out by the Celtics , Pistons, and Magic.

6 for 6 isn't better than 6 for 9.

Anyways, Luka has a long road to even be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan. Unless he gets a 3-peat or something, it's looking very unlikely.

Not just the two 3-peats and 6/6 in finals.

He was a 10x scoring champ, 9x All Defensive Team member, led the league in steals 3x times. Only player ever to lead the league in scoring while winning DPOY. 5xMVP

LBJ has been in the league about 25 more years than MJ now and if you take his accolades and add DWades to it you're still short of what the GOAT accomplished while taking 2yrs off in his prime.

[JM00n69]

I think the Finals argument is silly. If the Bulls were in the West Jordan would have lost in the finals in 90 and possibly 89 against the Pistons.

It would be hard for Luka to pass Jordan, Lebron, or Kareem with his defense. And with his conditioning I doubt he’ll have longevity.

And if LBJ was in the West he'd have missed the POs most years and been a second rd exit tops.

[KingFox]

None of these current players are passing Jordan

[Homer38]

For the 4-6, it takes context, since outside of 2011, the 5 other losses against the spurs and the warriors, his team were just overmatch for different reason... It was always stupid to think that losing in the finals is worse than losing before, especially when it's against dynasty teams...Team like 2007 and 2018 had no business being in the finals but they were...2015, the roster was depleted, no team ever would have won without 2 of the 3 best players on your team...2017 is probably the best team (on offense at least) that LeBron has had, but the warriors were just better

[CBS7]

I mean, 6-0 is better than 6-4.

It isn't though, because 6-0 isn't really 6-0

I don't quite understand what you mean by "6-0 isn't really 6-0". 6-0 is literally, 6-0.

Making 10 finals is quite an accomplishment, LBJ deserves praise for that. But Jordan has more championships, plain and simple.

6-0 is obviously better than 4-6
But 6-0 wouldn't be better than 6-4.

[Petergrifindor]

To pass Jordan you don't need a career.

You need a miracle.

[Wingy]

Literally just created another MJ vs LeBron GOAT debate despite one being stickied already.

Lol it's up to the mods here on in

I came to backseat moderate myself.

What’s the good of the sticky thread if this garbage keeps getting produced?