Pels Blazers Nuggs

[BuddyBuckets]

Wondering how fan bases feel about a deal centered around moving....

Ayton to Pels
MPJ to Blazers
Ingram to Nuggs

Why?

Pels - Running out of starting C options and hopefully the Pels' defensive minded culture brings out another level in Ayton's game.

Blazers - Maybe not ready to pay Ingram 50mil but should be happy paying MPJ 36mil for a few years. MPJ/Deni can man the forward spots if Portland want to move off Jerami Grant for bad contracts and future assets.

Nuggs - Ingram simply has more to his game than MPJ, sure you gotta pay him, but a contender like the Nuggets committed to Jokic/Murray might convince Ingram to stick around for a small pay cut.

what do you need added (if anything) for your team to say yes?

[cucad8]

I think Portland would try to find a 3rd team other than Denver to get them something back they might prefer more

[JRoy]

Zero interest in MPJ.

[BuddyBuckets]

But I thought the consensus was that Ayton was no good? Surely MPJ has greater impact?

[Tim Lehrbach]

Three players I do not like in their current situations, moved to arguably more favorable situations... it's thoughtful. Unfortunately I think it fails on every side. I can't see NOP wanting Ayton around, disrupting the culture. Denver can't back up the Brinks truck for Ingram. Portland isn't going to want the extra year on MPJ's contract.

[Tim Lehrbach]

But I thought the consensus was that Ayton was no good? Surely MPJ has greater impact?

MPJ is owed a lot more money.

[Manimal]

Ingram is obviously a better player than MPJ, so the value is good from that perspective. But I don't think Ingram would necessarily be the best fit in Denver's offense. That and there is no way they could afford to pay him next year when Murray and Gordon will also need raises.

[Myth]

But I thought the consensus was that Ayton was no good? Surely MPJ has greater impact?

MPJ is owed a lot more money.

And his back feels more likely to take him out on a longer basis. MPJ is a really good spot up shooter with height, but he doesn’t do much other than play well off an mvp level passer from what I’ve seen.

And even though he would demand more, I’d rather cut Denver out and overpay Ingram than overpay MPJ. At minimum, I think he’d be more flippable for other assets in the future.

[tacos]

But I thought the consensus was that Ayton was no good? Surely MPJ has greater impact?

MPJ is owed a lot more money.

And his back feels more likely to take him out on a longer basis. MPJ is a really good spot up shooter with height, but he doesn’t do much other than play well off an mvp level passer from what I’ve seen.

And even though he would demand more, I’d rather cut Denver out and overpay Ingram than overpay MPJ. At minimum, I think he’d be more flippable for other assets in the future.

Yeah you flip him at the deadline for assets... that is if he is willing to waive his trade kicker that would bump him to almost 45mil

[BelgradeNugget]

No from Denver.

MPJ proved with him as 2nd option + F. Campazzo/A. Rivers/A. Gordon and Jokic, you can beat R. Covington/J. Nurkic/D. Lillard/C. McCollum/N. Powell. And that Portland team was really good. With MPJ as 3rd option you can win championship.

Ingram as 2nd/3rd option was teribble at World Coup. Pelicans are meh with him as 1st/2nd option. He is at his beat with the ball in his hands but his team is not so good with the ball in his hands. So, Denver is good thanks for offer.

[dive135]

But I thought the consensus was that Ayton was no good? Surely MPJ has greater impact?

The real issue with Ayton is that he isn't worth his contract, he played adequately for the Blazers and was a solid starter, so they aren't in a hurry to dump hiim since they it's unlikely they need the cap space.

[BigGargamel]

In a vacuum Ingram is slightly better than MPJ. But Porter works with the Nuggets, is a great shooter and knows how to play off of Jokic. Ingram would only be a one year rental, then Denver would be out of even more depth. They wouldn't break the bank to resign him.

I always thought an Ayton for Ingram trade would work for both teams, so no real reason to include Denver in this.

[nomansland]

I am not sure about this. Ingram scores more (with higher usage and minutes), and looks to be a better defender and passer, but Porter's a better rebounder and shooter. Porter's on a longer deal but the salaries basically the same and Ingram's likely to get even more if Denver were to try and re-sign him.

I guess Denver does this because they want to get out of Porter's deal but I don't think it makes them a better basketball team. Ingram just looks uninspired whenever I've watched him. Maybe the change of scenery would help though.

From Denver's perspective it's probably a no.

[louc1970]

Three players I do not like in their current situations, moved to arguably more favorable situations... it's thoughtful. Unfortunately I think it fails on every side. I can't see NOP wanting Ayton around, disrupting the culture. Denver can't back up the Brinks truck for Ingram. Portland isn't going to want the extra year on MPJ's contract.

The Ingram rental is addition by subtraction. While I doubt Ingram would want to take a serious pay cut, him walking at the end of the year is basically saving MPJ’s salary for 2 additional years.

[louc1970]

In a vacuum Ingram is slightly better than MPJ. But Porter works with the Nuggets, is a great shooter and knows how to play off of Jokic. Ingram would only be a one year rental, then Denver would be out of even more depth. They wouldn't break the bank to resign him.

I always thought an Ayton for Ingram trade would work for both teams, so no real reason to include Denver in this.

True but he could used in a S&T? Not that I would want Beal, but getting a guard with 40% 3-point capability for him would work out.
Possibly sending him to Miami at the end of the year for Butler.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Three players I do not like in their current situations, moved to arguably more favorable situations... it's thoughtful. Unfortunately I think it fails on every side. I can't see NOP wanting Ayton around, disrupting the culture. Denver can't back up the Brinks truck for Ingram. Portland isn't going to want the extra year on MPJ's contract.

The Ingram rental is addition by subtraction. While I doubt Ingram would want to take a serious pay cut, him walking at the end of the year is basically saving MPJ’s salary for 2 additional years.

This is a good point. Denver gets a look at a different player in Ingram AND is relieved of the last two years of MPJ's contract. I'm seeing Denver fans dislike this, however.

But others above have it right: if New Orleans would take Ayton for Ingram, Portland pounces on that and either auditions Ingram themselves or includes a third team to send back something that makes more sense for the Blazers than Porter.

[nomansland]

Three players I do not like in their current situations, moved to arguably more favorable situations... it's thoughtful. Unfortunately I think it fails on every side. I can't see NOP wanting Ayton around, disrupting the culture. Denver can't back up the Brinks truck for Ingram. Portland isn't going to want the extra year on MPJ's contract.

The Ingram rental is addition by subtraction. While I doubt Ingram would want to take a serious pay cut, him walking at the end of the year is basically saving MPJ’s salary for 2 additional years.

This is a good point. Denver gets a look at a different player in Ingram AND is relieved of the last two years of MPJ's contract. I'm seeing Denver fans dislike this, however.

But others above have it right: if New Orleans would take Ayton for Ingram, Portland pounces on that and either auditions Ingram themselves or includes a third team to send back something that makes more sense for the Blazers than Porter.

That's probably right. Portland is a ways away from contending and could use the cap space once Ingram comes off the books. They don't really lose anything if he walks after a year. This deal is better for Portland and New Orleans if they cut Denver out.

[Wizenheimer]

But others above have it right: if New Orleans would take Ayton for Ingram, Portland pounces on that and either auditions Ingram themselves or includes a third team to send back something that makes more sense for the Blazers than Porter.

yeah, including Denver just complicates the trade

I'd think it would be pretty simple for the Blazers to find a 3rd team. There would likley be a lot more interest in Ingram than Portland is finding for Grant

the Lakers would likely be more interested in Ingram than they are in Grant. Meaning they might let go of the picks Portland wants. Issue there is Ingram's salary and the Lakers so close to the 2nd apron