Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[ShootingtheJ]

The Ingram thing is likely his agent wishcasting him to a contender.

People should listen to the Mahoney, Vernier, Wosny pod from last night. Those guys were trashing Ingram right and left. Basically saying he’s a high calorie scorer who can’t fit in any systems, doesn’t make players around him better and also wants a $200 million plus new deal.

They were brutal. By the end it made one prefer to acquire Zach Lavine.

Cool

Ill trade Brook, Bobby, AJ Johnson, Green, 31 1st, all remaining draft swaps and 2nds for him right now.

That's 1- 2nd and zero pick swaps. Patty C needs to be in this deal to get under the 2nd apron.

[bdpecore]

Gotcha. That'd be weird. Pat's not the kind of player you really need to replace. You just play somebody else.

I agree but can see why Horst could be leery just giving his minutes to AJax and Green since both need to improve defensively to play 15-20 meaningful minutes a night in the playoffs.

Green is fine defensively.

I’ll agree to disagree. He might’ve been able to stay in from of his opponent but looked lost when off the ball. His DRtg with increased minutes last season was 120 and his DBPM -1.7. If he’s not knocking down 3’s he shouldn’t receive significant playoff minutes.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Bucks could acquire Ingram and turn around and trade him. The offers the Pelicans didn't like might be appealing to us. They're hesitant to make multi team deals. We're not.

[bdpecore]

Bucks get: Ingram / Lyles / Ellis
Lakers get: Lopez
Pelicans get: Russell / Vandy / Pat C / MarJon
Kings get: Portis

Works Financially and we get under the 2nd apron

Pelicans get fleeced in this trade and Milwaukee is the beneficiary. We would need to include the 2031 1st (unprotected) and AJax and Green to even be in the ball park. I also think the Lakers would need to send out Rui instead of Russell as the PELs would consider him more valuable.

How do they get fleeced? Ingram and russell are close

Russell is neutral value at best but more likely negative value due to the new CBA.

[bdpecore]

The Bucks could acquire Ingram and turn around and trade him. The offers the Pelicans didn't like might be appealing to us. They're hesitant to make multi team deals. We're not.

Seems like a big gamble if Horst doesn’t have a team lined up to send us more appealing assets for BI.

[rayallenscalves]

Forget Ingram. The right conclusion to take from that report is this is our chance to nab Terance Mann from LA in a 3-team deal.

How about this:

MKE in: Mann and our 2025 1st back from NOP
MKE out: Brook
Reason: Get a new starting SG and draft pick to refill center spot

NOP in: Brook, PJ, Bones, Coffey, 2025 1st from LAC, 2026 2nd from LAC
NOP out: Ingram, 2025 1st
Reason: Better round out roster (Ingram could be addition by subtraction, plus they're never going to pay him)

LAC in: Ingram
LAC out: PJ, Mann, Bones, Coffey, 2025 1st, 2026 2nd (more draft capital to NOP if needed)
Reason: Get another scorer to replace PG13 and put butts in new arena

Bucks free up $12 million, which they could use for Paul Reed. Or, they could now send Pat, Marjon, Livingston and their newly acquired first to Detroit for Beef Stew. Or, even better, do both.

Dame/Delon/AJJ
Mann/AJax/Green
Midds/Prince
Giannis/Bobby/Smith
Stewart/Reed

[Ron Swanson]

Forget Ingram. The right conclusion to take from that report is this is our chance to nab Terance Mann from LA in a 3-team deal.

How about this:

MKE in: Mann and our 2025 1st back from NOP
MKE out: Brook
Reason: Get a new starting SG and draft pick to refill center spot

NOP in: Brook, PJ, Bones, Coffey, 2025 1st from LAC, 2026 2nd from LAC
NOP out: Ingram, 2025 1st
Reason: Better round out roster (Ingram could be addition by subtraction, plus they're never going to pay him)

LAC in: Ingram
LAC out: PJ, Mann, Bones, Coffey, 2025 1st, 2026 2nd (more draft capital to NOP if needed)
Reason: Get another scorer to replace PG13 and put butts in new arena

Bucks free up $12 million, which they could use for Paul Reed. Or, they could now send Pat, Marjon, Livingston and their newly acquired first to Detroit for Beef Stew.

Nah, put Bobby in there instead. I don't see any big benefit to opening up the TPMLE now that all the worthwhile free agents have been scooped up. Just roll with Brook and use the 2025 1st and Pat to flip at the deadline for another quality rotation guy if the opportunity presents itself. I'd even do it without getting our 1st back, honestly.

[Daver]

Forget Ingram. The right conclusion to take from that report is this is our chance to nab Terance Mann from LA in a 3-team deal.

How about this:

MKE in: Mann and our 2025 1st back from NOP
MKE out: Brook
Reason: Get a new starting SG and draft pick to refill center spot

NOP in: Brook, PJ, Bones, Coffey, 2025 1st from LAC, 2026 2nd from LAC
NOP out: Ingram, 2025 1st
Reason: Better round out roster (Ingram could be addition by subtraction, plus they're never going to pay him)

LAC in: Ingram
LAC out: PJ, Mann, Bones, Coffey, 2025 1st, 2026 2nd (more draft capital to NOP if needed)
Reason: Get another scorer to replace PG13 and put butts in new arena

Bucks free up $12 million, which they could use for Paul Reed. Or, they could now send Pat, Marjon, Livingston and their newly acquired first to Detroit for Beef Stew.

Nah, put Bobby in there instead. I don't see any big benefit to opening up the TPMLE now that all the worthwhile free agents have been scooped up. Just roll with Brook and use the 2025 1st and Pat to flip at the deadline for another quality rotation guy if the opportunity presents itself. I'd even do it without getting our 1st back, honestly.

I dont think trent is a worthless FA hes worth the TMPLE and fits in very well next to dame n midds

[dbrodz7]

I think if the Bucks were able to dump Pat, Horst would have done it by now.

Idk Doc was really excited talking about his off ball movement...

[bdpecore]

How about this:

MKE in: Mann and our 2025 1st back from NOP
MKE out: Brook
Reason: Get a new starting SG and draft pick to refill center spot

NOP in: Brook, PJ, Bones, Coffey, 2025 1st from LAC, 2026 2nd from LAC
NOP out: Ingram, 2025 1st
Reason: Better round out roster (Ingram could be addition by subtraction, plus they're never going to pay him)

LAC in: Ingram
LAC out: PJ, Mann, Bones, Coffey, 2025 1st, 2026 2nd (more draft capital to NOP if needed)
Reason: Get another scorer to replace PG13 and put butts in new arena

Bucks free up $12 million, which they could use for Paul Reed. Or, they could now send Pat, Marjon, Livingston and their newly acquired first to Detroit for Beef Stew.

Nah, put Bobby in there instead. I don't see any big benefit to opening up the TPMLE now that all the worthwhile free agents have been scooped up. Just roll with Brook and use the 2025 1st and Pat to flip at the deadline for another quality rotation guy if the opportunity presents itself. I'd even do it without getting our 1st back, honestly.

I dont think trent is a worthless FA hes worth the TMPLE and fits in very well next to dame n midds

The Bucks won’t need to sign Trent if they trade for Mann

[Dick Tate]

Ingram

FYI: A bored writer throwing **** against a wall is not a report nor agent wishcasting.
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[jakecronus8]

No idea if there is legitimacy to the Ingram thing. We’d be nuts not to trade Middleton for him, let alone somehow landing him for Brook and scraps.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Ingram thing is likely his agent wishcasting him to a contender.

People should listen to the Mahoney, Vernier, Wosny pod from last night. Those guys were trashing Ingram right and left. Basically saying he’s a high calorie scorer who can’t fit in any systems, doesn’t make players around him better and also wants a $200 million plus new deal.

They were brutal. By the end it made one prefer to acquire Zach Lavine.

Just because they say it doesn't mean it's true. In the 2 playoff series the Pelicans played in with Ingram they were +15/100 and +10/100 with Ingram on. That sounds like an impact player to me.

He's more than a scorer, he gets over 5 assists per game. He breaks defenses down off the dribble. Holds his own defensively too. Competitive, basically nothing like LaVine. Ingram doesn't fit well with Zion, but lots of players wouldn't fit well with him.

Yeah, this might be a writer throwing stuff against the wall, but we know the Bucks have talked to them about Lopez, and the Igram deal is holding up a Lopez deal.

Horst definitely likes to take big swings, and is more likely to do a multi team deal than a 2 team deal.

[ShootingtheJ]

No idea if there is legitimacy to the Ingram thing. We’d be nuts not to trade Middleton for him, let alone somehow landing him for Brook and scraps.

Middleton is actually more durable than Ingram. That's the one weakness with him.

[Ron Swanson]

I think Ingram is getting a bit underrated but he's about the exact opposite thing we need right now. It would be like our version of the Phoenix Bradley Beal trade.

[AussieBuck]

All of my Ingram interest would be about flipping him for a couple of good players.

[soxperry]

The Ingram thing is likely his agent wishcasting him to a contender.

People should listen to the Mahoney, Vernier, Wosny pod from last night. Those guys were trashing Ingram right and left. Basically saying he’s a high calorie scorer who can’t fit in any systems, doesn’t make players around him better and also wants a $200 million plus new deal.

They were brutal. By the end it made one prefer to acquire Zach Lavine.

Cool

Ill trade Brook, Bobby, AJ Johnson, Green, 31 1st, all remaining draft swaps and 2nds for him right now.

Wild take. The only thing he brings to the table is scoring, which is the very last thing the Bucks need.

The Bucks need guys who don't care about scoring less than ten points a night, but do things like create havoc in passing lanes and grab offensive rebounds.

Yeah, they need that as currently constructed.

Getting Ingram allows you to move Khris. Congrats, you just got 6 years younger and more athletic at SF.

Now if you can figure out how to get one more star between now and when Dame falls off, you just extended Giannis's window in Milwaukee to the point where it's feasible that he retires a buck.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Bucks could acquire Ingram and turn around and trade him. The offers the Pelicans didn't like might be appealing to us. They're hesitant to make multi team deals. We're not.

Seems like a big gamble if Horst doesn’t have a team lined up to send us more appealing assets for BI.

Sure, but it wouldn't be difficult to find out what the offers are for Ingram. Numerous teams wanted to offer picks, but the Pelicans only want players, because they lack imagination.

When Houston called to offer picks, they instead asked for Sengun. Easy to see how a deal hasn't gotten done.

Get picks, and then grab players from Detroit, Washington, Brooklyn, and maybe Atlanta.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks get: Ingram / Lyles / Ellis
Lakers get: Lopez
Pelicans get: Russell / Vandy / Pat C / MarJon
Kings get: Portis

Works Financially and we get under the 2nd apron

The Pelicans actually want Brook.

[ShootingtheJ]

I think Ingram is getting a bit underrated but he's about the exact opposite thing we need right now. It would be like our version of the Phoenix Bradley Beal trade.

Maybe, but I can't remember a playoff series where we had enough offense, or enough forwards. Whenever we try to play Giannis at center in the playoffs, it's always him and a bunch of 6'4" dudes.

In most offers we'd make for Ingram, we'd clear enough money that we could offer Paul Reed some of the tMLE.