Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[GBPackers47]

All of my Ingram interest would be about flipping him for a couple of good players.

Ingram would keep us in the 2nd apron, so we couldn't do this unless the number of players swapped matches, and I'm not sure what we'd even have left to send out with Ingram to get a couple of good players back.

[Bernman]

I don't follow.

It's possible Horst isn't willing to dump Pat until he finds Pat's replacement.

Gotcha. That'd be weird. Pat's not the kind of player you really need to replace. You just play somebody else.

We did have a finite amount of playable playoff guys & Pat was one of them. But I don't think that's the case anymore. However, maybe I'm wrong. It was season before last he killed it & he wasn't horrible last playoffs.

The loyalty to Pat and Bobby may be additional factors.

I'd deal a 2nd rd pick to offload him into space. Definitely wouldn't concede a 1st, like some were suggesting. May need to wait until there's more strikeouts on the market for a team to settle for Pat as an end of rotation vet.

[ShootingtheJ]

Sign Orlando Robinson to a 2 way deal.

[Daver]

This was a interesting read on trent jr

Gary trent jr .as the primary defender on all stars pgs the last 2 games
Tyrese haliburtin ...2/11 fg 1 TO -17
Trea young......4/13 fg 4 TO -6
Small sample size but he csn turn it up on D

[ReasonablySober]

It's possible Horst isn't willing to dump Pat until he finds Pat's replacement.

Gotcha. That'd be weird. Pat's not the kind of player you really need to replace. You just play somebody else.

We did have a finite amount of playable playoff guys & Pat was one of them. But I don't think that's the case anymore. However, maybe I'm wrong. It was season before last he killed it & he wasn't horrible last playoffs.

The loyalty to Pat and Bobby may be additional factors.

I'd deal a 2nd rd pick to offload him into space. Definitely wouldn't concede a 1st, like some were suggesting. May need to wait until there's more strikeouts on the market for a team to settle for Pat as an end of rotation vet.

For the record, I never suggested the Bucks should use a first round pick to move off of Pat's deal. I'm suggesting that might be what it takes, though, considering the Bucks don't really have any other attractive trade filler and consolidating him is tricky.

[GBPackers47]

It's possible Horst isn't willing to dump Pat until he finds Pat's replacement.

Gotcha. That'd be weird. Pat's not the kind of player you really need to replace. You just play somebody else.

We did have a finite amount of playable playoff guys & Pat was one of them. But I don't think that's the case anymore. However, maybe I'm wrong. It was season before last he killed it & he wasn't horrible last playoffs.

The loyalty to Pat and Bobby may be additional factors.

I'd deal a 2nd rd pick to offload him into space. Definitely wouldn't concede a 1st, like some were suggesting. May need to wait until there's more strikeouts on the market for a team to settle for Pat as an end of rotation vet.

a 2nd round pick just isn't enough incentive to take Pat's $9 million PO next season IMO. Half the teams in the NBA would go over the First Apron by adding Pat, so it makes no sense to them.

A few teams like Detroit and Washingon will need to spend some serious money to hit the salary floor next season, so Pat's $9 mil could fit, but again, why do that for just a 2nd round pick when there are far worse contracts they could take for better picks. We would also have to take a player back in any deal because we're currently in the 2nd apron at the start of the new league year.

Add in the fact that teams know that Pat's contract could be the deciding factor in our 2032 pick freezing or not, and it's even worse value.

[Bernman]

a 2nd round pick just isn't enough incentive to take Pat's $9 million PO next season IMO. Half the teams in the NBA would go over the First Apron by adding Pat, so it makes no sense to them.

A few teams like Detroit and Washingon will need to spend some serious money to hit the salary floor next season, so Pat's $9 mil could fit, but again, why do that for just a 2nd round pick when there are far worse contracts they could take for better picks. We would also have to take a player back in any deal because we're currently in the 2nd apron at the start of the new league year.

Add in the fact that teams know that Pat's contract could be the deciding factor in our 2032 pick freezing or not, and it's even worse value.

He's not bad enough of a player or contract to justify a 1st rd pick concession, so we might be at a standstill.

A fan base or two seemed to think Pat would help them. Don't know if they knew the contract or cap implications.

The future 2nd apron implications might well be why we hold onto Brook for him to just expire. That gets us a lot closer next yr. Though w/ some big increases it's still not enough by itself.

This may make trading Bobby into space & for a little worse player/pick equivalent a necessity for the Bucks, at least at some point w/in the next yr.

BTW, all this shows why adding a 4th core player like Ingram on big $ for the Bucks just isn't feasible. Hampers them more from an apron standpoint and makes it almost impossible to fill out the roster viably. It's too top-heavy. That's getting greedy.

[raferfenix]

Ingram’s next contract has Zach LaVine potential.

Sounds like the Pelicans shot their shot to send him to Atlanta and got denied.

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[ShootingtheJ]

All of my Ingram interest would be about flipping him for a couple of good players.

Ingram would keep us in the 2nd apron, so we couldn't do this unless the number of players swapped matches, and I'm not sure what we'd even have left to send out with Ingram to get a couple of good players back.

Ingram is $36 million, Brook, Bobby, and Pat is $44.9 million. We'd be comfortably under the 2nd apron.

[ShootingtheJ]

Gotcha. That'd be weird. Pat's not the kind of player you really need to replace. You just play somebody else.

We did have a finite amount of playable playoff guys & Pat was one of them. But I don't think that's the case anymore. However, maybe I'm wrong. It was season before last he killed it & he wasn't horrible last playoffs.

The loyalty to Pat and Bobby may be additional factors.

I'd deal a 2nd rd pick to offload him into space. Definitely wouldn't concede a 1st, like some were suggesting. May need to wait until there's more strikeouts on the market for a team to settle for Pat as an end of rotation vet.

a 2nd round pick just isn't enough incentive to take Pat's $9 million PO next season IMO. Half the teams in the NBA would go over the First Apron by adding Pat, so it makes no sense to them.

A few teams like Detroit and Washingon will need to spend some serious money to hit the salary floor next season, so Pat's $9 mil could fit, but again, why do that for just a 2nd round pick when there are far worse contracts they could take for better picks. We would also have to take a player back in any deal because we're currently in the 2nd apron at the start of the new league year.

Add in the fact that teams know that Pat's contract could be the deciding factor in our 2032 pick freezing or not, and it's even worse value.

The Pistons got only 2-2nds to take Hardaway Jr, and they gave up Grimes.

[GBPackers47]

a 2nd round pick just isn't enough incentive to take Pat's $9 million PO next season IMO. Half the teams in the NBA would go over the First Apron by adding Pat, so it makes no sense to them.

A few teams like Detroit and Washingon will need to spend some serious money to hit the salary floor next season, so Pat's $9 mil could fit, but again, why do that for just a 2nd round pick when there are far worse contracts they could take for better picks. We would also have to take a player back in any deal because we're currently in the 2nd apron at the start of the new league year.

Add in the fact that teams know that Pat's contract could be the deciding factor in our 2032 pick freezing or not, and it's even worse value.

He's not bad enough of a player or contract to justify a 1st rd pick concession, so we might be at a standstill.

A fan base or two seemed to think Pat would help them. Don't know if they knew the contract or cap implications.

The future 2nd apron implications might well be why we hold onto Brook for him to just expire. That gets us a lot closer next yr. Though w/ some big increases it's still not enough by itself.

This may make trading Bobby into space & for a little worse player/pick equivalent a necessity for the Bucks, at least at some point w/in the next yr.

BTW, all this shows why adding a 4th core player like Ingram on big $ for the Bucks just isn't feasible. Hampers them more from an apron standpoint and makes it almost impossible to fill out the roster viably. It's too top-heavy. That's getting greedy.

Under the previous CBA, I would agree with you on Pat’s play and contract not being poor enough to warrant a 1st being attached.

Under the new CBA, Pat’s contract moving is the only option that gets us under the 2nd apron without impacting rotations this year.

Teams know this and the Bucks will have to pay a premium if that’s what they really want to do.

With that being said, you could be right that they do nothing, sign another minimum guy this year, and just let Brook expire to avoid the pick freezing, but that would be poor asset management imo.

[midranger]

You would have to trade Khris if you're going for Ingram because you wouldn't be able to play our top 4 together with both. Ingram is obviously younger but he absolutely tanked Pels in this last years playoffs, he was truly dreadful on a level we've never seen Khris. You're probably just getting worse but younger if you go for Ingram

And you're just losing your Khris/Giannis cheatcode for free so no thank you

Let me tell you a tale of an Eastern Conference Finals series against Toronto….

[GBPackers47]

All of my Ingram interest would be about flipping him for a couple of good players.

Ingram would keep us in the 2nd apron, so we couldn't do this unless the number of players swapped matches, and I'm not sure what we'd even have left to send out with Ingram to get a couple of good players back.

Ingram is $36 million, Brook, Bobby, and Pat is $44.9 million. We'd be comfortably under the 2nd apron.

We are a 2nd apron team. We can’t do 3 for 1. It has to be equal number of players swapped.

[theFireBlanket]

Ingram would keep us in the 2nd apron, so we couldn't do this unless the number of players swapped matches, and I'm not sure what we'd even have left to send out with Ingram to get a couple of good players back.

Ingram is $36 million, Brook, Bobby, and Pat is $44.9 million. We'd be comfortably under the 2nd apron.

We are a 2nd apron team. We can’t do 3 for 1. It has to be equal number of players swapped.

Jose Alvarado needs to be coming back to Milwaukee with BI.

[GBPackers47]

We did have a finite amount of playable playoff guys & Pat was one of them. But I don't think that's the case anymore. However, maybe I'm wrong. It was season before last he killed it & he wasn't horrible last playoffs.

The loyalty to Pat and Bobby may be additional factors.

I'd deal a 2nd rd pick to offload him into space. Definitely wouldn't concede a 1st, like some were suggesting. May need to wait until there's more strikeouts on the market for a team to settle for Pat as an end of rotation vet.

a 2nd round pick just isn't enough incentive to take Pat's $9 million PO next season IMO. Half the teams in the NBA would go over the First Apron by adding Pat, so it makes no sense to them.

A few teams like Detroit and Washingon will need to spend some serious money to hit the salary floor next season, so Pat's $9 mil could fit, but again, why do that for just a 2nd round pick when there are far worse contracts they could take for better picks. We would also have to take a player back in any deal because we're currently in the 2nd apron at the start of the new league year.

Add in the fact that teams know that Pat's contract could be the deciding factor in our 2032 pick freezing or not, and it's even worse value.

The Pistons got only 2-2nds to take Hardaway Jr, and they gave up Grimes.

The Pistons needed salary to hit the salary floor this year (which they’ve just barely done).

[Bernman]

The Pistons got only 2-2nds to take Hardaway Jr, and they gave up Grimes.

That's not a good analog. Hardaway's better & comes off the books earlier. Doesn't tell us much.

Pat's worse than all the players around his salary #, if you look at a list. Closest is GP2. I've proposed Pat & a 2nd for GP2 here, but got backlash from both sides oddly. Would get him off the books a yr earlier & give us a better fit. Might be the best we get.

The Warriors in general make a good trading partner for a few players, maybe in a 3-way deal so we can get under the apron & aggregate. That's something to seriously consider.

[ShootingtheJ]

Ingram would keep us in the 2nd apron, so we couldn't do this unless the number of players swapped matches, and I'm not sure what we'd even have left to send out with Ingram to get a couple of good players back.

Ingram is $36 million, Brook, Bobby, and Pat is $44.9 million. We'd be comfortably under the 2nd apron.

We are a 2nd apron team. We can’t do 3 for 1. It has to be equal number of players swapped.

We just have to be under the 2nd apron when the trade is finished, and we'd be hardcapped at the 2nd apron.

[ShootingtheJ]

The Pistons got only 2-2nds to take Hardaway Jr, and they gave up Grimes.

That's not a good analog. Hardaway's better & comes off the books earlier. Doesn't tell us much.

Hardaway's 1 year salary is about the same as Pat's 2 year salary. Hardaway was well below replacement level last year, Pat was above replacement level.

[GBPackers47]

The Pistons got only 2-2nds to take Hardaway Jr, and they gave up Grimes.

That's not a good analog. Hardaway's better & comes off the books earlier. Doesn't tell us much.

Pat's worse than all the players around his salary #, if you look at a list. Closest is GP2. I've proposed Pat & a 2nd for GP2 here, but got backlash from both sides oddly. Would get him off the books a yr earlier & give us a better fit. Might be the best we get.

The Warriors in general make a good trading partner for a few players, maybe in a 3-way deal so we can get under the apron & aggregate. That's something to seriously consider.

I like that deal for us, but I don't know if the Warriors take it. They have plenty of space to absorb Pat next year, but is that really what they want to do for just a 2nd?

I know we have differing views on what should be attached to Pat, but I have to imagine the Warriors want to compete as long as Curry is there. Blocking up $9 mil in cap space could impact their ability to add another star (if possible).

[Dick Tate]

The Pistons got only 2-2nds to take Hardaway Jr, and they gave up Grimes.

That's not a good analog. Hardaway's better & comes off the books earlier. Doesn't tell us much.

Hardaway's 1 year salary is about the same as Pat's 2 year salary. Hardaway was well below replacement level last year, Pat was above replacement level.

If Trajan Langdon is already looking to fill the Pistons 25-26 salary floor, I don't think he's going to last long.