Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[ShootingtheJ]

Wizards are asking for 2 firsts for Kuzma on a 3 year $23.5M per deal.

Who’s offering 2 firsts for Ingram demanding $50M per over 4 years?

Maybe it’s bad enough where a team trades for him as a distressed asset without an extension telling him to prove it.

No I don’t want that to be the Bucks. We need more defense not less. But BroLo might be the best the Pelicans can hope for in a multi-team deal.

I think the Pelicans got pretty good draft pick offers for Ingram, but NOP only wanted players. Ingram has been an All Star, he's significantly better than Kuzma.

It is a lot of money though. He's not for everyone, but I still think we can flip him.

[PG Graveyard]

Who says no here? Says this is legal.

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Mids/Marjon/Pat for Ingraham/Alvarado

[Rstuedes24]

Dame/Khris/BI/Giannis would be such a fun offense. Like others said, if all it takes is Lopez + spare parts why not give it a shot?

[theFireBlanket]

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Mids/Marjon/Pat for Ingraham/Alvarado

Rather keep Khris. All of that shooting with Giannis will be lethal. Brook is older & more replaceable than KM.

[Rstuedes24]

Dame/Khris/BI/Giannis would be such a fun offense. Like others said, if all it takes is Lopez + spare parts why not give it a shot?

Biggest issue, which sounds like it's stopping other teams, is the contract extension. No chance we could have 4 guys making 40+m

[ReasonablySober]

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Mids/Marjon/Pat for Ingraham/Alvarado

Rather keep Khris. All of that shooting with Giannis will be lethal. Brook is older & more replaceable than KM.

I wouldn't make that trade either, but I hugely disagree with the bolded. Brook's a legit unicorn, even at age 36. He's still a guy you can build a defense around in the paint, and he stretches the floor. It's why I struggle to come up with any Lopez deals that don't cripple the team this season. I'd love to move a 36 year old who might up and retire next summer so he can spend more time at Disneyland with his brother. But no one's come up with a deal that fills the void he creates when he's moved.

Middleton on the other hand, as great as he is, is going to be wasted in Milwaukee next year. He's a borderline 1st option scorer, and an elite second scorer. On the Bucks he'll be the third, and he'll average 14-15 a night. That's way more replaceable than Brook.

[Fotis St]

BI was worse

Yeah…. I’m going to go ahead and disagree.

EDIT: anyway, I think the converse is also true, I’m not sure Middleton has ever had as good of a playoff series as Ingram did a couple years ago. 27/6/6 on elite percentages.

Mids two best performances may have been the past couple years.

Also, Ingram vs Middleton playoff performances is an odd reason to not pair them.

Ingram shot 35/25/90 and was benched for a team that literally had nobody to replace him. Thats how bad he was. Khris sucked in that series but in a “we need you to be all nba level, not ok level”. Brandon Ingram was playing for the other team.

I really want us to take a swing on Ingram ... the Warriors took a swing on Wiggins and got em a Championship. I would be thrilled to get him without Khris in the trade. The pair fear is fictional. Aaron Gordon paired nicely with MPJ and won everything. I was posting to get Aaron Gordon when he became available from the Magic but most here didn't like him. Fast Forward to now ... we missed a buy low building piece. If Khris has to be in the deal, that is a hard yes from me. Let's open the Giannis championship window and skip the Khris demanding max 4-5y contract drama next summer.

I would love to see Eastern Finals against Boston

Dame, AJ Green, Khris, Ingram, Giannis

Vs

Jrue, White, Tatum, Brown , Porzingis

This would be a must watch epic battle

[mcfromage]

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Mids/Marjon/Pat for Ingraham/Alvarado

That's an easy yes for me.

[Profound23]

Our pick next year is 1-4 protected right?

If we "suffer major injuries", land the top spot, then team Giannis up with Flagg.... a Robinson/Duncan type of dynasty.

Not wishing injuries, just saying let's fake them all lol. Seriously, think of we did this and landed Wemby.

[ReasonablySober]

Our pick next year is 1-4 protected right?

If we "suffer major injuries", land the top spot, then team Giannis up with Flagg.... a Robinson/Duncan type of dynasty.

Not wishing injuries, just saying let's fake them all lol. Seriously, think of we did this and landed Wemby.

Sorry, if it's 1-4 it goes to the Pelicans. Otherwise it goes to the Knicks.

[MiltownMadness]

All i said was the top 4 can't play together if you trade for Ingram without dealing Khris if you know anything about NBA defense. Ingram is 6'8 180 lbs, he can't play PF defensively. Maybe you try to move Khris to PF but that is not his ideal position. Ingram's a fine player but that's not my point. He's only had 2 playoff series in his career (might be a sign he isn't that great) and was an absolute anchor in his most recent one, he is just a more empty stats guy than Khris and he doesn't fit.

[RiotPunch]

Our pick next year is 1-4 protected right?

If we "suffer major injuries", land the top spot, then team Giannis up with Flagg.... a Robinson/Duncan type of dynasty.

Not wishing injuries, just saying let's fake them all lol. Seriously, think of we did this and landed Wemby.

Sorry, if it's 1-4 it goes to the Pelicans. Otherwise it goes to the Knicks.

If it is 1-4 it goes to the Nets, otherwise to the Pels. Got moved in the Bridges deal, but NOP has it 5-30 protected.

[ReasonablySober]

Our pick next year is 1-4 protected right?

If we "suffer major injuries", land the top spot, then team Giannis up with Flagg.... a Robinson/Duncan type of dynasty.

Not wishing injuries, just saying let's fake them all lol. Seriously, think of we did this and landed Wemby.

Sorry, if it's 1-4 it goes to the Pelicans. Otherwise it goes to the Knicks.

If it is 1-4 it goes to the Nets, otherwise to the Pels.

Ah, thanks. RGM hasn't updated their page yet I guess.

But yea, either way the Bucks don't have theirs no matter what.

[MiltownMadness]

Also I thought it was strange how bad BI was for the last half of this most recent season. Probably wants to keep a nagging injury on the down-low because contract talks

[Daver]

Yeah…. I’m going to go ahead and disagree.

EDIT: anyway, I think the converse is also true, I’m not sure Middleton has ever had as good of a playoff series as Ingram did a couple years ago. 27/6/6 on elite percentages.

Mids two best performances may have been the past couple years.

Also, Ingram vs Middleton playoff performances is an odd reason to not pair them.

Ingram shot 35/25/90 and was benched for a team that literally had nobody to replace him. Thats how bad he was. Khris sucked in that series but in a “we need you to be all nba level, not ok level”. Brandon Ingram was playing for the other team.

I really want us to take a swing on Ingram ... the Warriors took a swing on Wiggins and got em a Championship. I would be thrilled to get him without Khris in the trade. The pair fear is fictional. Aaron Gordon paired nicely with MPJ and won everything. I was posting to get Aaron Gordon when he became available from the Magic but most here didn't like him. Fast Forward to now ... we missed a buy low building piece. If Khris has to be in the deal, that is a hard yes from me. Let's open the Giannis championship window and skip the Khris demanding max 4-5y contract drama next summer.

I would love to see Eastern Finals against Boston

Dame, AJ Green, Khris, Ingram, Giannis

Vs

Jrue, White, Tatum, Brown , Porzingis

This would be a must watch epic battle

Liked everything till i saw you had green as our #2 guard starter no chance in hell hes a starter vome oct.Not way i would be absolutely blown away if sny of our young SGs were starting if anything horst will find a 2

[RiotPunch]

The problem with Ingram, aside from fit, is that he legitimately does not seem to give a ****. Very skilled scorer and you can't teach that length, though.

Warming up to the Mann idea, let Balmer pay BI's new deal.

MKE: Mann
NOP: Portis, Tucker, Coffey, LAC '31 1st, DEN '26 2nd
LAC: Ingram
DEN: Westbrook (into Reggie Jackson TPE)

[MiltownMadness]

Something that is very underrated about Khris on here is that he is extremely smart, I think he will age well defensively. He was actually a VERY passable defender this last season despite looking like he is moving in quicksand, that's his brain.

If you can get BI without moving Khris then give it a shot, but we will likely be dealing one of them at the deadline because we would quickly see the diminishing returns + super awkward forced fit. Also I just think I'd way rather have Khris in the playoffs than BI, can't ignore the Khris/Giannis 2 man game and BI forgetting how to play bball 3 months ago. Also Khris cares a lot about winning and Milwaukee, BI seems to be cashing a check, then you have to pay him $250m...eh

[ShootingtheJ]

Who says no here? Says this is legal.

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Mids/Marjon/Pat for Ingraham/Alvarado

Rather keep Khris. All of that shooting with Giannis will be lethal. Brook is older & more replaceable than KM.

I wouldn't make that trade either, but I hugely disagree with the bolded. Brook's a legit unicorn, even at age 36. He's still a guy you can build a defense around in the paint, and he stretches the floor. It's why I struggle to come up with any Lopez deals that don't cripple the team this season. I'd love to move a 36 year old who might up and retire next summer so he can spend more time at Disneyland with his brother. But no one's come up with a deal that fills the void he creates when he's moved.

Middleton on the other hand, as great as he is, is going to be wasted in Milwaukee next year. He's a borderline 1st option scorer, and an elite second scorer. On the Bucks he'll be the third, and he'll average 14-15 a night. That's way more replaceable than Brook.

You can't build a playoff defense around Brook. He get gameplanned off the floor in a 7 game series. He gets us blasted from 3 on a yearly basis. We need to stop building for the regular season and start building for the playoffs.

In the playoffs you need multiple scorers. That's when we need Khris Middleton. I've yet to see a playoff series where the Bucks had enough scorers.

[MiltownMadness]

Yeah this fallacy that you can have too many scorers in the playoffs is actually crazy. The cool part about Khris is he is a 3rd option but can completely takeover a playoff game when Dame/Giannis don't have it. Winning basketball games isn't as simple as slotting in amazing scorers to score only 14-15 a night, we constantly see him getting hot and scoring near 30 in the playoffs while distrubuting better than anyone of the team. It's beyond valuable.

Stop trying to pigeonhole Khris into only scoring 14 a game in the playoffs like he isn't an absolute leader on the team and isn't capable of carrying playoff games. WE KNOW HE IS. To build a team you have to know what you have

[ReasonablySober]

Rather keep Khris. All of that shooting with Giannis will be lethal. Brook is older & more replaceable than KM.

I wouldn't make that trade either, but I hugely disagree with the bolded. Brook's a legit unicorn, even at age 36. He's still a guy you can build a defense around in the paint, and he stretches the floor. It's why I struggle to come up with any Lopez deals that don't cripple the team this season. I'd love to move a 36 year old who might up and retire next summer so he can spend more time at Disneyland with his brother. But no one's come up with a deal that fills the void he creates when he's moved.

Middleton on the other hand, as great as he is, is going to be wasted in Milwaukee next year. He's a borderline 1st option scorer, and an elite second scorer. On the Bucks he'll be the third, and he'll average 14-15 a night. That's way more replaceable than Brook.

You can't build a playoff defense around Brook. He get gameplanned off the floor in a 7 game series. He gets us blasted from 3 on a yearly basis. We need to stop building for the regular season and start building for the playoffs.

In the playoffs you need multiple scorers. That's when we need Khris Middleton. I've yet to see a playoff series where the Bucks had enough scorers.

Yea, disagree with every word here.

A year ago the Bucks most used playoff lineup had Brook and was +12.7. Second most was +3.7 with Brook and didn't have Giannis in it.

Year before that three of the top four playoff lineups included Brook and all were at least +7.

Year before that they won a ring.