The Joe Ingles Thread

[Neeva]

Yea how dare Connelly put the wolves on a timeline to contend for the West 5 years before Ant enters his prime.

[Colbinii]

A/TO isn’t the issue. The issue is when he gets the ball and doesn’t shoot he turns it over at a higher percentage than Kyle. Basically it suggest he can swing the ball, but not run the offense, which Dane pretty much said repeatedly.

That's not how this works or any of this works.

Steve Nash is one of the greatest floor generals ever and routinely had a TOV% around 20%.

The thing about TOV% is it is simply a measure of how much YOU turn the ball over for every 100 players you run. So, for Steve Nash who is typically around 20%, that's still fine since his teams were incredibly efficient offensively.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing--a player like Nash only having 20% TOV when he has the ball as much as he does and more importantly--takes the risks he does is fine.

I think Ingles Turnover Percentage is being overblown here for a few reasons.

1) The Orlando Magic didn't have a Point Guard.

Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Anthony Black and Gary Harris played "Point Guard" minutes for Orlando last year. Most of their offense ran through Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner. Meanwhile, Cole Anthony is the best of the aforementioned Point Guards and he is a putrid playmaker and passer. This resulted in Ingles being required to take on a larger playmaking role, and as a result, generated more turnovers.

2) Ingles is still a net-positive player.

Ingles has historically been a godfather of +/- ever since he joined the NBA. He makes the right play. He hits the right shots. He makes the right pass. He has had a positive +/- each of the past 8 seasons and the team he played on has been better with him on the court in 7 of the past 8 seasons.

3) We don't need Ingles to run the offense.

We have ANT, KAT, Conley and Dilly to all initiate the offense from different sets and looks. Ingles is the ultimate glue guy.

I agree with what you're saying, I don't think Joe will fix our roster construction and he will be a net positive. I'm happy with the signing.

One huge issue though is our offense and how it runs. What you are saying makes sense in theory.

Except come playoff time our team runs everything through Ant or Conley. Someone who can hold the ball.

Unless you have Jokic who is a one of kind player you pretty much have to run your offense through a lead guard.

But that can't be solved with the peasant like resources this team now has and a lot of this is a huge bet on a 19 year old.

But what you are describing is a problem 25-29 teams typically have in a given year.

We have ANT who is still improving. We have Towns who is still improving. We just added Dillingham to be a creator and on-ball threat.

There are not many teams who are better positioned then us to win a title next year.

If you want to be hyper-critical of a Top 5 team in the NBA, by all means, do so, but you are just going to be disappointed every year the team doesn't win an NBA title.

[Colbinii]

Yea how dare Connelly put the wolves on a timeline to contend for the West 5 years before Ant enters his prime.

Yeah I wish we sucked ass and got bounced in the 1st round again.

Maybe we should just try to lose for 1-2 more seasons and then Anthony Edwards asks out.

[KGdaBom]

A/TO isn’t the issue. The issue is when he gets the ball and doesn’t shoot he turns it over at a higher percentage than Kyle. Basically it suggest he can swing the ball, but not run the offense, which Dane pretty much said repeatedly.

That's not how this works or any of this works.

Steve Nash is one of the greatest floor generals ever and routinely had a TOV% around 20%.

The thing about TOV% is it is simply a measure of how much YOU turn the ball over for every 100 players you run. So, for Steve Nash who is typically around 20%, that's still fine since his teams were incredibly efficient offensively.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing--a player like Nash only having 20% TOV when he has the ball as much as he does and more importantly--takes the risks he does is fine.

I think Ingles Turnover Percentage is being overblown here for a few reasons.

1) The Orlando Magic didn't have a Point Guard.

Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Anthony Black and Gary Harris played "Point Guard" minutes for Orlando last year. Most of their offense ran through Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner. Meanwhile, Cole Anthony is the best of the aforementioned Point Guards and he is a putrid playmaker and passer. This resulted in Ingles being required to take on a larger playmaking role, and as a result, generated more turnovers.

2) Ingles is still a net-positive player.

Ingles has historically been a godfather of +/- ever since he joined the NBA. He makes the right play. He hits the right shots. He makes the right pass. He has had a positive +/- each of the past 8 seasons and the team he played on has been better with him on the court in 7 of the past 8 seasons.

3) We don't need Ingles to run the offense.

We have ANT, KAT, Conley and Dilly to all initiate the offense from different sets and looks. Ingles is the ultimate glue guy.

I agree with what you're saying, I don't think Joe will fix our roster construction and he will be a net positive. I'm happy with the signing.

One huge issue though is our offense and how it runs. What you are saying makes sense in theory.

Except come playoff time our team runs everything through Ant or Conley. Someone who can hold the ball.

Unless you have Jokic who is a one of kind player you pretty much have to run your offense through a lead guard.

But that can't be solved with the peasant like resources this team now has and a lot of this is a huge bet on a 19 year old.

Players in the draft are usually young. The better they are the younger they usually are because the better players enter the draft younger. Dilly only being 19 years old, but going 8th overall is a testimony to his talent.

[Note30]

That's not how this works or any of this works.

Steve Nash is one of the greatest floor generals ever and routinely had a TOV% around 20%.

The thing about TOV% is it is simply a measure of how much YOU turn the ball over for every 100 players you run. So, for Steve Nash who is typically around 20%, that's still fine since his teams were incredibly efficient offensively.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing--a player like Nash only having 20% TOV when he has the ball as much as he does and more importantly--takes the risks he does is fine.

I think Ingles Turnover Percentage is being overblown here for a few reasons.

1) The Orlando Magic didn't have a Point Guard.

Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Anthony Black and Gary Harris played "Point Guard" minutes for Orlando last year. Most of their offense ran through Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner. Meanwhile, Cole Anthony is the best of the aforementioned Point Guards and he is a putrid playmaker and passer. This resulted in Ingles being required to take on a larger playmaking role, and as a result, generated more turnovers.

2) Ingles is still a net-positive player.

Ingles has historically been a godfather of +/- ever since he joined the NBA. He makes the right play. He hits the right shots. He makes the right pass. He has had a positive +/- each of the past 8 seasons and the team he played on has been better with him on the court in 7 of the past 8 seasons.

3) We don't need Ingles to run the offense.

We have ANT, KAT, Conley and Dilly to all initiate the offense from different sets and looks. Ingles is the ultimate glue guy.

I agree with what you're saying, I don't think Joe will fix our roster construction and he will be a net positive. I'm happy with the signing.

One huge issue though is our offense and how it runs. What you are saying makes sense in theory.

Except come playoff time our team runs everything through Ant or Conley. Someone who can hold the ball.

Unless you have Jokic who is a one of kind player you pretty much have to run your offense through a lead guard.

But that can't be solved with the peasant like resources this team now has and a lot of this is a huge bet on a 19 year old.

But what you are describing is a problem 25-29 teams typically have in a given year.

We have ANT who is still improving. We have Towns who is still improving. We just added Dillingham to be a creator and on-ball threat.

There are not many teams who are better positioned then us to win a title next year.

If you want to be hyper-critical of a Top 5 team in the NBA, by all means, do so, but you are just going to be disappointed every year the team doesn't win an NBA title.

I am disappointed every time they don't win a chip, but have only felt this way since the big trade.

[Colbinii]

I agree with what you're saying, I don't think Joe will fix our roster construction and he will be a net positive. I'm happy with the signing.

One huge issue though is our offense and how it runs. What you are saying makes sense in theory.

Except come playoff time our team runs everything through Ant or Conley. Someone who can hold the ball.

Unless you have Jokic who is a one of kind player you pretty much have to run your offense through a lead guard.

But that can't be solved with the peasant like resources this team now has and a lot of this is a huge bet on a 19 year old.

But what you are describing is a problem 25-29 teams typically have in a given year.

We have ANT who is still improving. We have Towns who is still improving. We just added Dillingham to be a creator and on-ball threat.

There are not many teams who are better positioned then us to win a title next year.

If you want to be hyper-critical of a Top 5 team in the NBA, by all means, do so, but you are just going to be disappointed every year the team doesn't win an NBA title.

I am disappointed every time they don't win a chip, but have only felt this way since the big trade.

We wouldn't be as good as we are without the trade for Gobert.

You should watch Keyonte George and Walker Kessler this year and see what we are missing

The goal of the Gobert trade was to get this team to be a title contender. They are now a title contender. There is an incredible amount of Luck that goes into winning a championship. We will be right there for the next 2-3 seasons and have as good of shot as anyone of winning over the next 2-3 seasons.

[Note30]

That's not how this works or any of this works.

Steve Nash is one of the greatest floor generals ever and routinely had a TOV% around 20%.

The thing about TOV% is it is simply a measure of how much YOU turn the ball over for every 100 players you run. So, for Steve Nash who is typically around 20%, that's still fine since his teams were incredibly efficient offensively.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing--a player like Nash only having 20% TOV when he has the ball as much as he does and more importantly--takes the risks he does is fine.

I think Ingles Turnover Percentage is being overblown here for a few reasons.

1) The Orlando Magic didn't have a Point Guard.

Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Anthony Black and Gary Harris played "Point Guard" minutes for Orlando last year. Most of their offense ran through Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner. Meanwhile, Cole Anthony is the best of the aforementioned Point Guards and he is a putrid playmaker and passer. This resulted in Ingles being required to take on a larger playmaking role, and as a result, generated more turnovers.

2) Ingles is still a net-positive player.

Ingles has historically been a godfather of +/- ever since he joined the NBA. He makes the right play. He hits the right shots. He makes the right pass. He has had a positive +/- each of the past 8 seasons and the team he played on has been better with him on the court in 7 of the past 8 seasons.

3) We don't need Ingles to run the offense.

We have ANT, KAT, Conley and Dilly to all initiate the offense from different sets and looks. Ingles is the ultimate glue guy.

I agree with what you're saying, I don't think Joe will fix our roster construction and he will be a net positive. I'm happy with the signing.

One huge issue though is our offense and how it runs. What you are saying makes sense in theory.

Except come playoff time our team runs everything through Ant or Conley. Someone who can hold the ball.

Unless you have Jokic who is a one of kind player you pretty much have to run your offense through a lead guard.

But that can't be solved with the peasant like resources this team now has and a lot of this is a huge bet on a 19 year old.

Players in the draft are usually young. The better they are the younger they usually are because the better players enter the draft younger. Dilly only being 19 years old, but going 8th overall is a testimony to his talent.

But a current championship window isn't often in jeopardy if a draft pick doesn't work out.

Sometimes I feel like people forget these are kids not grown men. Ant isn't even 25 yet. Technically speaking his brain hasn't fully developed. Dilly is even further behind.

I don't understand the pressure they are under, but I know what a fraction of that pressure feels like in an athletic environment. I haven't played a semi-pro game since I was 30. The sheer amount of pressure to win and perform at that stage which was imo not more than a community level game was high. My point is that it's a lot of pressure to be putting on a bunch of kids because the GM made moves to put the team in a position where that had to be the case.

[minimus]

I thought he had a good A/TO. Can somebody post his actual stats for that.

A/TO isn’t the issue. The issue is when he gets the ball and doesn’t shoot he turns it over at a higher percentage than Kyle. Basically it suggest he can swing the ball, but not run the offense, which Dane pretty much said repeatedly.

That's not how this works or any of this works.

Steve Nash is one of the greatest floor generals ever and routinely had a TOV% around 20%.

The thing about TOV% is it is simply a measure of how much YOU turn the ball over for every 100 players you run. So, for Steve Nash who is typically around 20%, that's still fine since his teams were incredibly efficient offensively.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing--a player like Nash only having 20% TOV when he has the ball as much as he does and more importantly--takes the risks he does is fine.

I think Ingles Turnover Percentage is being overblown here for a few reasons.

1) The Orlando Magic didn't have a Point Guard.

Jalen Suggs, Cole Anthony, Anthony Black and Gary Harris played "Point Guard" minutes for Orlando last year. Most of their offense ran through Paolo Banchero and Franz Wagner. Meanwhile, Cole Anthony is the best of the aforementioned Point Guards and he is a putrid playmaker and passer. This resulted in Ingles being required to take on a larger playmaking role, and as a result, generated more turnovers.

2) Ingles is still a net-positive player.

Ingles has historically been a godfather of +/- ever since he joined the NBA. He makes the right play. He hits the right shots. He makes the right pass. He has had a positive +/- each of the past 8 seasons and the team he played on has been better with him on the court in 7 of the past 8 seasons.

3) We don't need Ingles to run the offense.

We have ANT, KAT, Conley and Dilly to all initiate the offense from different sets and looks. Ingles is the ultimate glue guy.

Well said. I would only add that without the ball (AND when not involed in off ball actions) Anderson took away space from other players which lead to turnovers that did not count as Anderson turnovers, but his inability to shoot was the first reason that lead to them. For instance we swing the ball and it happens to wide open Anderson and we reset our play again which lead to turnover when we have no time for attack.

In such situation Ingles will shoot which will make life much easier for other ballhandlers. It is as easy as it can be.

[minimus]

Watch on YouTube

SL coach answer about Minott is exactly what I've expected: show that you are able to play on ball defense and be weakside rim protector. Having Anderson as bench player was always a luxury, because when Gobert or Towns went down Finch could ask Anderson to defends bigs, like Valanciunas and Jokic. When McDaniels got two quick fouls, Finch could ask Anderson to defend big wings such as Doncic. Now we dont have such luxury, unless Minott and Miller show a real improvement as NBA defenders.

[minimus]

I am sure it was posted before, but somehow I enjoy these "highlights" even more than real highlights

Watch on YouTube

Who was the last player in MIN who has this level of tolling and trash talking? Anderson at some degre?

[Note30]

But what you are describing is a problem 25-29 teams typically have in a given year.

We have ANT who is still improving. We have Towns who is still improving. We just added Dillingham to be a creator and on-ball threat.

There are not many teams who are better positioned then us to win a title next year.

If you want to be hyper-critical of a Top 5 team in the NBA, by all means, do so, but you are just going to be disappointed every year the team doesn't win an NBA title.

I am disappointed every time they don't win a chip, but have only felt this way since the big trade.

We wouldn't be as good as we are without the trade for Gobert.

You should watch Keyonte George and Walker Kessler this year and see what we are missing

The goal of the Gobert trade was to get this team to be a title contender. They are now a title contender. There is an incredible amount of Luck that goes into winning a championship. We will be right there for the next 2-3 seasons and have as good of shot as anyone of winning over the next 2-3 seasons.

It was a stupid goal. Why don't the Spurs just waste all of their picks and stack as much possible veteran talent around Wemby right now?

[Colbinii]

I am disappointed every time they don't win a chip, but have only felt this way since the big trade.

We wouldn't be as good as we are without the trade for Gobert.

You should watch Keyonte George and Walker Kessler this year and see what we are missing

The goal of the Gobert trade was to get this team to be a title contender. They are now a title contender. There is an incredible amount of Luck that goes into winning a championship. We will be right there for the next 2-3 seasons and have as good of shot as anyone of winning over the next 2-3 seasons.

It was a stupid goal. Why don't the Spurs just waste all of their picks and stack as much possible veteran talent around Wemby right now?

Do they have a Karl-Anthony Towns on the roster?

How did you manage to turn this Joe Ingles thread into your soap opera about Rudy Gobert?

Please quit being a drama queen about Rudy Gobert in every thread. Go touch grass.

[thinktank]

I haven't played a semi-pro game since I was 30.

What league?

[Note30]

We wouldn't be as good as we are without the trade for Gobert.

You should watch Keyonte George and Walker Kessler this year and see what we are missing

The goal of the Gobert trade was to get this team to be a title contender. They are now a title contender. There is an incredible amount of Luck that goes into winning a championship. We will be right there for the next 2-3 seasons and have as good of shot as anyone of winning over the next 2-3 seasons.

It was a stupid goal. Why don't the Spurs just waste all of their picks and stack as much possible veteran talent around Wemby right now?

Do they have a Karl-Anthony Towns on the roster?

How did you manage to turn this Joe Ingles thread into your soap opera about Rudy Gobert?

Please quit being a drama queen about Rudy Gobert in every thread. Go touch grass.

All I said was I do feel disappointed every season since the trade that we havent won a chip. You were the one that said oh yeah well what about Keyonte George.

Then I responded to your bait about the trade. It's a sore topic for me, but you're right I should keep this on track.

Think Joe is a great addition to the team and fills a need and then some.

[Klomp]

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[Klomp]

I wish there was a better link, but this is hilarious

https://www.reddit.com/r/UtahJazz/comments/lul443/highlight_donovan_mitchell_answering_a_question/

[karch34]

Love the clips. I want PatBev reunion tour to make this complete.

[minimus]

If you have an hour and want just to enjoy this summer, you can watch Joe Ingles highlights.

Watch on YouTube

P.S. Watching this video, young Ingles, Conley and Rudy, i fully understand not what does it mean: "time continuum closed, and a person met themselves at another point in time"

P.P.S. Snyder used Gobert-Bogdanovic-Ingles-ONeal-Mitchell lineups. I want to see Gobert-Ingles-McDaniels-Shannon-Edwards unit.

[Slim Tubby]

Youngster probably doesn't even know who Crocodile Dundee is...

Or a knife

Or a Donk.

Sent from my N152DL using RealGM mobile app

[minimus]

Watch on YouTube

Please ignore, I just trying to kill some time at work