Woj: Deni to Portland for 14th pick and Brogdon

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Is it normal for a player to learn from the media that he is traded?

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I mean, it is a pretty stark difference - the way they seem to have managed the Deni trade versus how they handled Kuz at the deadline. Neither was brought in by this crew but if I remember right, it was Winger and Dawkins who gave them both their new deals. So they were kinda their guys? Not really sure what to make of any of this, by the way. Just interesting. At this point, anyway, pending what else we learn.

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On the bright side I now have a west coast team to follow

[Norm2953]

I hope everything works out for both Portland and the Wizards.

Deni will be Portland's best SF since Nicolas Batum last played for Portland since 2015.

Hopefully Deni and Donovan Clingan will improve Portland for while better, won't be better
enough to escape the lottery.

Hopefully the PG works out for the Wizards and enjoy Malcolm Brogdon, who was Portland's
best guard last season.

Portland had three FRP in the 2029 draft and could afford to give one of them up and SRP's may
or may not matter. Trade helps Portland additionally for it gets Portland under the tax line but
likely a solid trade for both sides

[Kanyewest]

I'll only get over this deal if it turns out that we really did sell high on Deni and that his career in Portland never looks any better than his averages for the entire 2023-24 season here. But if Deni continues to look like he did for the last 30 games here, but maintains that production over a full season with some incremental improvement in shooting and turnover rate, then this will have been a terrible trade.

A guy that can average 20, 9 and 4 on .600 shooting with top 10% defense is the 3rd best player on a good playoff team.

True and the last 30 games of the season is when they implemented the more physical rules.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

But as you have it, defense, availability, versality, size, rebounding, passing, and intangibles are in fact all important NBA skills and traits.

Availabilty and intangibles are what you're going with? How was Deni any more available or more having in intangibles than Kispert?

Kispert is a decent player, not here to trash him but he has some flaws that are going to be hard to fix. You could play him off the floor in the playoffs if he is to ever get there because he is that bad on defense. Positionally at one point last season, he along with Kuzma and Poole were amongst the worst defensive players at each of their respective positions in the entire league according to defensive LEBRON. I didn't check out how the numbers finished, but I'd make a fair guess that he didn't move up much. Now even if you don't like that stat, there are other stats as well as the eye test that will tell you he's a really bad defender. With that said, Kispert is great a shooting volume threes and actually is really good at getting to the bucket, it's just that whatever points he gets you he gives up in spades. Watch the games, he's targeted all game long because of this.

We aren't debating who is a better player in 2024. You made excuses for Deni being a poor player when he first came into the league. "It's tough being a rookie coming into a team that's trying to win" as if there aren't multiple rookies each season that do just that.

Then I made the point that both Kispert and Rui came into the same situation as rookies and performed much better than Deni did. Then you pivoted again and made excuses for Deni because he was younger than those two. Then I pointed out that Kispert as a 22 year old rookie was as competent as a 22 year old Deni in his third season. Now you're once again reframing the argument to make this a discussion about their current abilities when it never was.

But hey, Deni came into the league as a 20 year old rookie on a team that was trying to win! There's no way anybody could be successful in such a situation, right?

Insert Scottie Barnes, Chet, Jalen Williams, (EDIT: Dereck Lively, who was younger than Deni was as a rookie), and many more.

Fact is that Deni floundered for his first three years of his career. Nobody to blame but himself, despite whatever excuses you want to make for him. He has now improved into a solid NBA player. But he's nowhere near a star. Success in the NBA is built on superstars, not Deni Avdija's.

Wrong.

There are one, two, or three stars on a team. There are four or five superstar players in the league. You win with Denis.

Derrick White and Jrue Holiday were no better than Deni is now when they were 23.

I could not disagree with you more. The Wizards F'd up trading Deni for what they got.

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Pinpoint accuracy., CCJ.

This asinine mentality if you aren't a 25 ppg scorer or a superstar you are just canon fodder to hopefully find one of the few that are is so in lockstep with this "maximalism" polluting people's heads.

Also love how intangibles and availability are laughed off, and cherry picked while also disregarding the other traits this young guy.

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...There are one, two, or three stars on a team. There are four or five superstar players in the league. You win with Denis....

For sure, Deni was *much* improved last year, & based on it (esp. the 2d half of the season), he looks to be a long-term good NBA player.

Derrick White and Jrue Holiday were no better than Deni is now when they were 23....

Derrick White only played @150 minutes as a rookie. His 2d & 3d years in the league he was better than Deni has been so far.

Holiday got better & better through most of his career. Hope that'll be true of of Deni, but no one can predict that.

...The Wizards F'd up trading Deni for what they got.

Not many players get traded for a lottery pick, another R1 pick, & 2 R2 picks. I don't have a lot of trouble with the value received in the trade.

...This asinine mentality if you aren't a 25 ppg scorer or a superstar you are just canon fodder to hopefully find one of the few that are is so in lockstep with this "maximalism" polluting people's heads. ...

Not completely sure I understand what you're saying, but if you mean that there are lots of ways to be a really good NBA player, not just via high scoring numbers, then I agree entirely.

I just don't see how it's relevant to whether or not you trade a guy.
Good players get traded all the time.

&, of course, it's also true that we can't know that Bub Carrington will be an outstanding player; we can't know he'll be good at all! We also don't know that we'll choose an outstanding player with the '29 R1 pick we got in the trade. Or, for that matter, that either one of the R2 picks Portland sent us will turn into a good player.

Then again, they all might. Uncertainty is constant, no doubt.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

...There are one, two, or three stars on a team. There are four or five superstar players in the league. You win with Denis....

For sure, Deni was *much* improved last year, & based on it (esp. the 2d half of the season), he looks to be a long-term good NBA player.

Derrick White and Jrue Holiday were no better than Deni is now when they were 23....

Derrick White only played @150 minutes as a rookie. His 2d & 3d years in the league he was better than Deni has been so far.

Holiday got better & better through most of his career. Hope that'll be true of of Deni, but no one can predict that.

...The Wizards F'd up trading Deni for what they got.

Not many players get traded for a lottery pick, another R1 pick, & 2 R2 picks. I don't have a lot of trouble with the value received in the trade.

...This asinine mentality if you aren't a 25 ppg scorer or a superstar you are just canon fodder to hopefully find one of the few that are is so in lockstep with this "maximalism" polluting people's heads. ...

Not completely sure I understand what you're saying, but if you mean that there are lots of ways to be a really good NBA player, not just via high scoring numbers, then I agree entirely.

I just don't see how it's relevant to whether or not you trade a guy.
Good players get traded all the time.

&, of course, it's also true that we can't know that Bub Carrington will be an outstanding player; we can't know he'll be good at all! We also don't know that we'll choose an outstanding player with the '29 R1 pick we got in the trade. Or, for that matter, that either one of the R2 picks Portland sent us will turn into a good player.

Then again, they all might. Uncertainty is constant, no doubt.

Can we start off with not attributing quotes to me that aren't my words. You okay with doing that?

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This trade really brought out the worst in people

[montestewart]

This trade really brought out the worst in people

Welcome to the Wiz board. [Glances at script] Please keep posting.

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...There are one, two, or three stars on a team. There are four or five superstar players in the league. You win with Denis....

For sure, Deni was *much* improved last year, & based on it (esp. the 2d half of the season), he looks to be a long-term good NBA player.

Derrick White and Jrue Holiday were no better than Deni is now when they were 23....

Derrick White only played @150 minutes as a rookie. His 2d & 3d years in the league he was better than Deni has been so far.

Holiday got better & better through most of his career. Hope that'll be true of of Deni, but no one can predict that.

...The Wizards F'd up trading Deni for what they got.

Not many players get traded for a lottery pick, another R1 pick, & 2 R2 picks. I don't have a lot of trouble with the value received in the trade.

...This asinine mentality if you aren't a 25 ppg scorer or a superstar you are just canon fodder to hopefully find one of the few that are is so in lockstep with this "maximalism" polluting people's heads. ...

Not completely sure I understand what you're saying, but if you mean that there are lots of ways to be a really good NBA player, not just via high scoring numbers, then I agree entirely.

I just don't see how it's relevant to whether or not you trade a guy.
Good players get traded all the time.

&, of course, it's also true that we can't know that Bub Carrington will be an outstanding player; we can't know he'll be good at all! We also don't know that we'll choose an outstanding player with the '29 R1 pick we got in the trade. Or, for that matter, that either one of the R2 picks Portland sent us will turn into a good player.

Then again, they all might. Uncertainty is constant, no doubt.

Can we start off with not attributing quotes to me that aren't my words. You okay with doing that?

Whoa!! Sorry about that -- sloppy editing on my part I guess!

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This trade really brought out the worst in people

Welcome to the Wiz board. [Glances at script] Please keep posting.

The issue for long suffering Wiz fans is that we have been long starved from hitting big in the draft outside of obvious picks like John/Brad. Deni was home grown and exactly the kind of role player you want on your team, so it stings pretty bad, Kuzma should have been the one to go for a pick.

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This trade really brought out the worst in people

True... a whole lot of venting going on.

Not sure I've ever seen a 20-page trade thread -- especially not an overwhelmingly negative one.

[Wizraeli]

Man, the bright side of the trade is we don't have to put up with people like above. Same goes for users like "Wizraeli" who wouldn't stop calling Brandon and Ed over at Locked On Wizards "antisemites" and "racists" for criticizing Deni's poor play. Just absolutely obnoxious behavior. Good riddance.

You will have to tolerate me one more time, I have no idea what "Locked On Wizards" is or who Brandon and Ed are, the only place I wrote was here, whoever you talk about that's not me, and you would have realized it by yourself if instead of looking for an excuse to attack an Israeli poster you would've paused for a second and worked your brain and then understood it's not me since I never called anyone like that here for criticizing Deni, never, not even close, if you claim otherwise do this with a quote, but you never bothered to check if I'm that guy, you just assumed and that's enough for you to write such a display of hatred towards another poster in a way of, I don't know, some people will call obnoxious.

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Man, the bright side of the trade is we don't have to put up with people like above. Same goes for users like "Wizraeli" who wouldn't stop calling Brandon and Ed over at Locked On Wizards "antisemites" and "racists" for criticizing Deni's poor play. Just absolutely obnoxious behavior. Good riddance.

You will have to tolerate me one more time, I have no idea what "Locked On Wizards" is or who Brandon and Ed are, the only place I wrote was here, whoever you talk about that's not me, and you would have realized it by yourself if instead of looking for an excuse to attack an Israeli poster you would've paused for a second and worked your brain and then understood it's not me since I never called anyone like that here for criticizing Deni, never, not even close, if you claim otherwise do this with a quote, but you never bothered to check if I'm that guy, you just assumed and that's enough for you to write such a display of hatred towards another poster in a way of, I don't know, some people will call obnoxious.

Sorry for not being clear but I wasn’t talking about you—there’s another user with the same name. I honestly forgot you posted here tbh.

[joshuacf]

Availabilty and intangibles are what you're going with? How was Deni any more available or more having in intangibles than Kispert?



We aren't debating who is a better player in 2024. You made excuses for Deni being a poor player when he first came into the league. "It's tough being a rookie coming into a team that's trying to win" as if there aren't multiple rookies each season that do just that.

Then I made the point that both Kispert and Rui came into the same situation as rookies and performed much better than Deni did. Then you pivoted again and made excuses for Deni because he was younger than those two. Then I pointed out that Kispert as a 22 year old rookie was as competent as a 22 year old Deni in his third season. Now you're once again reframing the argument to make this a discussion about their current abilities when it never was.

But hey, Deni came into the league as a 20 year old rookie on a team that was trying to win! There's no way anybody could be successful in such a situation, right?

Insert Scottie Barnes, Chet, Jalen Williams, (EDIT: Dereck Lively, who was younger than Deni was as a rookie), and many more.

Fact is that Deni floundered for his first three years of his career. Nobody to blame but himself, despite whatever excuses you want to make for him. He has now improved into a solid NBA player. But he's nowhere near a star. Success in the NBA is built on superstars, not Deni Avdija's.

Wrong.

There are one, two, or three stars on a team. There are four or five superstar players in the league. You win with Denis.

Derrick White and Jrue Holiday were no better than Deni is now when they were 23.

I could not disagree with you more. The Wizards F'd up trading Deni for what they got.

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Pinpoint accuracy., CCJ.

This asinine mentality if you aren't a 25 ppg scorer or a superstar you are just canon fodder to hopefully find one of the few that are is so in lockstep with this "maximalism" polluting people's heads.

Also love how intangibles and availability are laughed off, and cherry picked while also disregarding the other traits this young guy.

How did I laugh off intangibles and availability?

The guy was comparing Deni to Kispert. Kispert averages 77 games played a season. I'd love for you or anyone else to explain to me how Deni is more availible than Kispert is, or how he has more "intangiables". Please, go on.

The one-handed wonder is cannon fodder.

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This trade really brought out the worst in people

Oh not me. I’ve been far worse than this many times.

Usually when I get in a pointless slap fight with my good friend PIF.

OR when I post a ten paragraph scroll that nobody’s gonna read.

[badinage]

This trade really brought out the worst in people

This trade was really stupid.

That’s first off.

Second off: burning cars after victories or losses, the horrors of soccer hooligans, the death threats and racist slurs faced by Bill Russell and others after title losses … that’s bringing out the worst in people.

This? This was venting on a sports fan (short for fanatic) board made for venting and sharing and speculating. No one was hurt. No slurs were lobbed. No harm was done.

All that you’re referring to took place in an alternate realm that is closer to a conversation at a bar than a chapter in a Malcolm Gladwell tome.