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Re: top 10 Coaches of All Time 

Post#41 » by MyUniBroDavis » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:38 am

One_and_Done wrote:
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One_and_Done wrote:How is Phil Jackson 'adjusting' to the modern game goink?


I haven't seen you lay out a case for why Red Auerbach or Holzman or Jackson are bad coaches.

What coaches in that era did was the equivalent of saying 'get out there are run hard... make sure to pass to Wilt'. Obviously it was more sophisticated that that, but it can't compare to the modern game. Do you think Bill Russell was drawing up many x's and o's when he was player coach? It was a role so unsophisticated and undemanding that a player could do it in his spare time (a player who was clearly a terrible coach btw, based on his later stint coaching).


Yeah I should have phrased it better, alotnof them might end up sticking to their guns instead of being open to the modern evolution of basketball but it’s more if they’re open minded which they might not be
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Re: top 10 Coaches of All Time 

Post#42 » by MyUniBroDavis » Tue Jul 9, 2024 10:13 am

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I haven't seen you lay out a case for why Red Auerbach or Holzman or Jackson are bad coaches.

What coaches in that era did was the equivalent of saying 'get out there are run hard... make sure to pass to Wilt'. Obviously it was more sophisticated that that, but it can't compare to the modern game. Do you think Bill Russell was drawing up many x's and o's when he was player coach? It was a role so unsophisticated and undemanding that a player could do it in his spare time (a player who was clearly a terrible coach btw, based on his later stint coaching).

Coaching squads are massive today compared to back then. There are more people in most analytics departments than used to be total number of coaches.


This isn’t true lol analytics departments are like 2/3 deep + some guys that are loosely related but mostly in raw scouting
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Re: top 10 Coaches of All Time 

Post#43 » by james04 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 11:02 am

Ranking the top 10 NBA coaches of all time is subjective and can vary based on personal opinions and criteria.Advertising for professional betting sites in a post is not permitted.However, here's a list that considers their achievements, impact on the game, and influence:1. phil jackson 2. Red Auerbach 3. Gregg Popovich 4. Pat Riley 5. Chuck Daly 6. Lenny Wilkens 7.Larry Brown 8. Steve Kerr 9.Chuck Daly 10. Bill Fitch
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Re: top 10 Coaches of All Time 

Post#44 » by trex_8063 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:04 pm

PistolPeteJR wrote:Steve Kerr over Eric Spoelstra? I know 4 > 2, but I'm not sure I agree.



Spo was my immediate thought (exclusion), too. Not just the 2, but he's been at the helm of so many over-achieving [seemingly] teams.

He got the same number of conference champs as Kerr, and 231 more career [rs] wins as head coach. And though it has taken him longer to achieve those things [win% .587 compared to Kerr's .654, for example], he's also (outside of four years with the Heatles) generally had LESSER casts to work with.
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Post#45 » by trex_8063 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:24 pm

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PistolPeteJR wrote:Steve Kerr over Eric Spoelstra? I know 4 > 2, but I'm not sure I agree.



Spo was my immediate thought (exclusion), too. Not just the 2, but he's been at the helm of so many over-achieving [seemingly] teams.

He got the same number of conference champs as Kerr, and 231 more career [rs] wins as head coach. And though it has taken him longer to achieve those things [win% .587 compared to Kerr's .654, for example], he's also (outside of four years with the Heatles) generally had LESSER casts to work with.



To be clear, I don't want to make this sound like Spoelstra > Kerr is an obvious slam-dunk case. It's certainly debateable. However, let me approach this from a different angle, by comparing Kerr's coaching career [10 years] to the 10 years of '11-'20 for Spoelstra.....

Kerr has a .654 rs win%, .707 in the playoffs (in 7 playoff appearances in 10 years), with 6 Finals appearances and 4 titles.
'11-'20 Spo has a .600 rs win%, .632 in the playoffs (also in 7 playoff appearances in 10 years), with 5 Finals appearances and 2 titles.

Kerr had [on average] better rosters to work with, however:
*Spoelstra NEVER had a cast as good as what Kerr was working with in '16-'18, for example.
**And outside of an injury-decimated cast in '20, Kerr probably never worked with a roster as weak as what Spo had in '19 [and arguably '15 as well].

I'd still say the edge must be given to Kerr in comparison of these 10 seasons, though the margin is perhaps not all that large, given the above.


But then consider that Spoelstra has 6 ADDITIONAL seasons as head coach outside of that 10-year span.......and the Heat were a winning team that made the playoffs in each and every one of them, making it to the Finals one of these years, and as far as the conference finals in another (giving him 7 total conference finals appearances [to Kerr's 6], fwiw).
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