Cooper Flagg

[Rafael122]

Meanwhile Detroit is all like "let's try and shoot for 30 wins and the 6th pick again"

[NYPiston]

Meanwhile Detroit is all like "let's try and shoot for 30 wins and the 6th pick again"

Well, winning 17 and 14 games the last 2 seasons netted them two straight #5 picks so....

I guess you, and others, haven't caught on to the fact that tanking does not work with this stupid new lottery system. Well for the Spurs it worked but everybody knew that Wemby was going there anyway.

[KembaWalker]

Why is he only being compared to white prospects lol? He’s nothing like any of the players mentioned except shares some similarities with Kirilenko.

People are super unimaginative

We did compare him to AK47, AD and KG the most I think. Gordon Hayward and Chase Budinger comments were just obvious trolling, not to mention some other takes, Josh McRoberts

Josh McRoberts coming out of HS was a top prospect, dude had a very serious back surgery before ever making the league. Basically what MPJ had when they were way worse at doing the surgery

https://247sports.com/Season/2005-Basketball/CompositeRecruitRankings/

[12footrim]

Spoiler:

It’s about points per possession right? but you talking about raw stats here.

We'll we are guessing there, unfortunately, at least his senior year. His junior year we have the minutes which is a good stand in and he was productive per minute. The cool thing is we have his percentages and a good idea of his advanced stats most likely were buy . They were solid, but I would have expected him to have a true shooting for example more like 68 or 70% if he's mostly shooting 2 pointers like he was. It was 63%. That's good, but it's on lower volume and usage where he has plenty of other options to take the pressure off him and still wasn't just absolutely crushing it. Doncic basically had a 60% true shooting in 35 Euroleague games at the same age for comparison.

Hey just gotta say you are not as smart as you think and wasted a bunch of your time today, check out that scrimmage

Do you really think one scrimmage means anything? The dream team lost their scrimmage in the exact same situation to a bunch of college players, none who had the kind of careers they had. The dream team was in their prime of all time greats. You had college kids like Eric Montross, Bobby Hurley, and Rodney Rogers playing big roles too, all journeyman types with a couple of low end like 5th ballot hall of famer 18 year olds like Chris Webber who dominated that day.

It sounds like Flagg hit a couple shots, and you got some media guys that put their spin on it. Big deal. You could just as easily say he was 3-9 in the McDonad's All Ameirican game and completely underwhelmed in a game they play no defense. We actually have the stats and video of that unlike this scrimmage, and people vested to slurp Flagg for clicks and interest and justification for being there. What does LeBron gain for trying to punk a 17 year old on the court or not hype him up after? You need to use some critical thinking here.

I think a 35 game season is a bigger reference point than getting into a game and hitting a couple shots. Who wouldn't expect him to score. He made like 2 three's and this is a big deal? He made 36 in 33 high school games at 38% on a short high school line on low volume. I'm always going to believe the large sample more than a game or two, especially in a circumstance like that. That's the biggest mistake people make is being a creature of the moment and recency bias. It's a reference point, and I follow the information where it goes, but he's still a 16ppg 7rpg,4apg in high school in 33 games as a baseline.

[pilkoids]

Supercharged Keith Van Horne

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[FrodoBaggins]

Josh Smith is another 2000s tweener forward that has some similarities to Cooper. Despite his terrible shooting, J-Smoove was still an impact player for the first decade of his career. +6.3 on/off net rating and +2.3 on-court rating over six seasons from 2007-2012. +3.1 BPM over those years.

He was a big-time defensive playmaker, racking up stocks like the best forwards ever. He rebounded well for his size. He was an efficient and effective finisher at the rim despite lacking any range to his scoring ability. He drew fouls at a strong rate. He could handle the ball and make plays like a point forward.

You wonder how good he could've been had he been able to shoot the ball. From anywhere, really; free-throw line, paint-extended, mid-range, three-point line. He was truly a horrific shooter in every facet. If Coop is Josh Smith plus good shooting, that's a very very good player.

[Hair Jordan]

Flagg is a cant miss prospect. Like in 5 years i'd be very surprised if he isn't an NBA All Star.

Johnny Dawkins, Billy Owens, Waymon Tisdale, Pervis Ellison, Stacy King etc were all “can’t miss” prospects who missed big time

Wow, you telling me not every prospect pan out? Gee thats crazy... If you dont like the kid, give good scouting report, not just be usual Hair Jordan guy, aka a troll.

I don’t scout 17 year old boys. Sorry. His highlight reel tells me he’s a poor man’s Brent Barry at best with less athleticism and more height. Barry was a nice role player who could hit 3’s and dunk from the FT line but never sniffed multiple All Star teams or an All NBA type of career. Let’s be honest here, if Flagg was a black kid nobody would be impressed. He’d be just another prospect. People pay attention cause he’s a white kid with a little athleticism. Lots of white kids excel in Duke’s college ball system but don’t do sh-t in the NBA (Gminski, Alarie, Bilas, Laettner, Parks, Hurley, Redick) etc. Hitting a couple buckets against Team USA in what amounts to a glorified walk thru doesn’t impress me. That was like a summer league game yesterday. People need to get a fuc-ing grip

[HotelVitale]

Johnny Dawkins, Billy Owens, Waymon Tisdale, Pervis Ellison, Stacy King etc were all “can’t miss” prospects who missed big time

Wow, you telling me not every prospect pan out? Gee thats crazy... If you dont like the kid, give good scouting report, not just be usual Hair Jordan guy, aka a troll.

I don’t scout 17 year old boys. Sorry. His highlight reel looks like he’s a poor man’s Brent Barry with less athleticism and more height. Barry was a nice role player who could hit 3’s and dunk from the FT line but never sniffed multiple All Star teams or an All NBA type of career.

Okay, how much do you want to put on him being better than Brent Barry?

If nothing (or not much), you maybe don't need to keep declaring and defending opinions you don't actually believe in.

[jg77]

He should and will be gifted to the Jazz if they decide to trade Markkanen and tank.

[___Rand___]

17 years old playing with the USA Select Team vs. the National team.

6-10, elite athlete.

What's his NBA projection/comparison? Sounds like he could be the next great NBA player.

I don't know if he's 6'10" because standing next to Bam who's 6'9", Cooper looks slightly shorter. I think he's 6'8". Which is still tall for someone with his skillset.

13 is Bam. 31 is cooper.

[HotelVitale]

Meanwhile Detroit is all like "let's try and shoot for 30 wins and the 6th pick again"

Well, winning 17 and 14 games the last 2 seasons netted them two straight #5 picks so....

I guess you, and others, haven't caught on to the fact that tanking does not work with this stupid new lottery system. Well for the Spurs it worked but everybody knew that Wemby was going there anyway.

Literally 1.5% more chance at a #1 pick for the 4th worst than the worst worst. 6th worst is 5% less, 1 in 20 better chance. It's not nothing but it's small enough you dont want to make it your franchise's only goal that year.

Also relax on the Spurs conspiracy stuff. It's one of the league's smallest markets and probably one of the 5-7 worst places to have a superstar in from the NBA's $ perspective (maybe slightly higher because of the legacy and Pop stuff).

[Lockdown504090]

17 years old playing with the USA Select Team vs. the National team.

6-10, elite athlete.

What's his NBA projection/comparison? Sounds like he could be the next great NBA player.

he looks about 6'8 barefoot from when I saw him in person, pretty decent length. love everything about him. hes basically kg heartwise in tmacs body playing modern baskebtall with a little less skill than both of them. Thats still a hall of famer.

[KembaWalker]

Last time I really heard guys hyping up a high school kid for playing well in half effort pro runs, being a physically special defensive monster, and getting drafted 1st overall from Duke, we got Marvin Bagley

Of course Bagley got exposed (defensively) in college, Flagg may or may not

[cupcakesnake]

Meanwhile Detroit is all like "let's try and shoot for 30 wins and the 6th pick again"

Lol what does this mean?
Detroit hasn't managed 30-wins since 2019, so if they're shooting for it, they're missing.

You can't control dropping in the lottery. Detroit just had their two worst seasons of all-time, getting 17 and 14 total wins, and fell to 5th both times.

For a team to be this unlucky and you to blame their strategy, is wildly insensitive!

[LofJ]

He should and will be gifted to the Jazz if they decide to trade Markkanen and tank.

Either the Jazz or Nets are going to win the lottery this year, I'd be shocked if the NBA lets him go to any other team.

[___Rand___]

Last time I really heard guys hyping up a high school kid for playing well in half effort pro runs, being a physically special defensive monster, and getting drafted 1st overall from Duke, we got Marvin Bagley

Of course Bagley got exposed (defensively) in college, Flagg may or may not

I can see Cooper's skillsets and why he's being touted best talent in a few years. It is impressive that a high school sr can hang with all-stars from the NBA. But you're right, the Senior team USA weren't playing seriously at all. This was non-sense story made up to hype up Cooper.

[7r5ur]

Meanwhile Detroit is all like "let's try and shoot for 30 wins and the 6th pick again"

86% chance you're NOT getting Cooper Flagg even if you go 0-82. Tell me how many years in a row you'd have to be the worst team in the league before those odds are actually in your favor of landing even ONE #1 pick?

[LofJ]

Meanwhile Detroit is all like "let's try and shoot for 30 wins and the 6th pick again"

86% chance you're NOT getting Cooper Flagg even if you go 0-82. Tell me how many years in a row you'd have to be the worst team in the league before those odds are actually in your favor of landing even ONE 1st round pick?

This, Detroit got hosed by the lottery the last two years. You aren't guaranteed anything, it makes zero sense to intentionally tank for one player.

My Hornets have been irrelevant ever since the original team left for New Orleans 20 years ago and they have not won the lottery a single time.

[sikma42]

Meanwhile Detroit is all like "let's try and shoot for 30 wins and the 6th pick again"

86% chance you're NOT getting Cooper Flagg even if you go 0-82. Tell me how many years in a row you'd have to be the worst team in the league before those odds are actually in your favor of landing even ONE 1st round pick?

This, Detroit got hosed by the lottery the last two years. You aren't guaranteed anything, it makes zero sense to intentionally tank for one player.

My Hornets have been irrelevant ever since the original team left for New Orleans 20 years ago and they have not won the lottery a single time.

This upcoming draft has a few guys thought really lift up a franchise.

A guy like Nolan Traore could really put some structure and add direction to a team.


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[kobyz]

Grant Hill as comparison?