Trades and Transactions thread cont - we still need a center

[mpharris36]

so in the 11 matchup minutes that i see here that kessler guarded embiid, embiid put up 20? okay i guess those are the facts.

watching what edey did to kessler last night, i don't see the strength improvement he needs to guard embiid effectively.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but matchup minutes are shot clock seconds when a player has the ball. Its not like he put up 20 pts in basically 1 qtr of player.

Just look at the other players on the list for reference...for a Rookie those are impressive against MVP Embiid.

personally, i think matchup stats don't even make sense most of the time. like when you look at jokic's matchup stats, his highest matchup minute-wise is alperen sengun, and that's 40 minutes? he's only guarded by sengun 40 minutes in 4 games? makes no sense. it isn't accounting for a lot of time

but defensive BPM that says Jokic is the best NBA defender in the NBA by a lot makes sense....ok

[Ghetto Gospel]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but matchup minutes are shot clock seconds when a player has the ball. Its not like he put up 20 pts in basically 1 qtr of player.

Just look at the other players on the list for reference...for a Rookie those are impressive against MVP Embiid.

personally, i think matchup stats don't even make sense most of the time. like when you look at jokic's matchup stats, his highest matchup minute-wise is alperen sengun, and that's 39 minutes? he's only guarded by sengun 40 minutes in 4 games? makes no sense. it isn't accounting for a lot of time

"Now that this stat doesn't prove me right, actually I don't like it"

Classic

except i never used it to prove anything.. you did? are you stupid?

[DOT]

personally, i think matchup stats don't even make sense most of the time. like when you look at jokic's matchup stats, his highest matchup minute-wise is alperen sengun, and that's 39 minutes? he's only guarded by sengun 40 minutes in 4 games? makes no sense. it isn't accounting for a lot of time

"Now that this stat doesn't prove me right, actually I don't like it"

Classic

except i never used it to prove anything.. you did? are you stupid?

The guy who can't even understand that if someone scored 20 points on 8-16 shooting against 1 person and 89 points on 28-46 shooting total, it means that the other 69 points on 20-30 shooting is on every other player combined is calling other people stupid lol.

[Ghetto Gospel]

"Now that this stat doesn't prove me right, actually I don't like it"

Classic

except i never used it to prove anything.. you did? are you stupid?

The guy who can't even understand that if someone scored 20 points on 8-16 shooting against 1 person means that the other 69 points on 20-30 shooting is on every other player combined is calling other people stupid lol.

yet you can't show me it on the matchup stats lol

[DOT]

except i never used it to prove anything.. you did? are you stupid?

The guy who can't even understand that if someone scored 20 points on 8-16 shooting against 1 person means that the other 69 points on 20-30 shooting is on every other player combined is calling other people stupid lol.

yet you can't show me it on the matchup stats lol

Oh my god, you actually are a moron

[Ghetto Gospel]

The guy who can't even understand that if someone scored 20 points on 8-16 shooting against 1 person means that the other 69 points on 20-30 shooting is on every other player combined is calling other people stupid lol.

yet you can't show me it on the matchup stats lol

Oh my god, you actually are a moron

yeah i guess that's your way of saying you can't

[mpharris36]

so in the 11 matchup minutes that i see here that kessler guarded embiid, embiid put up 20? okay i guess those are the facts.

watching what edey did to kessler last night, i don't see the strength improvement he needs to guard embiid effectively.

Like I said

It doesn't matter what the facts are, you're just looking to confirm what you want to hear

I don't think he's an Embiid stopper. I've never claimed that. I was just pointing out the flaw of you going "EMBIID PUT UP 44.5 PPG AGAINST JAZZ, KESSLER BAD DEFENSE" thing. Cause that means in the non-Kessler minutes, Embiid put up 69 points on 20-30 shooting, 28-34 from the line, for .767 TS

So vs Kessler as a rookie he put up 20 points on .577 TS, vs every non-Kessler Jazz he put up a combined 69 on .767 TS

But yeah. Embiid put up 44.5 ppg against the Jazz, therefore Kessler sucks at defense actually.

i never said you claimed anything..?

where are the 69 points on 20-30 shooting accounted for in the matchup stats.

you can add them up

Kelly Olynyk gave up 27 pts in 6 matchup minutes 71% from the field
Vanderbilt gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 75% from the field
Lauri gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 67% from the field

then you probably have miscellaneous guys and free throws ect....

[Jalen Bluntson]

Take this with a grain of salt...CP from KnicksFanTV says knicks still want KAT. Don't shoot the messenger...just was listening to his live stream while working and he seemed pretty adamant...more adamant then I have ever heard him.

Says the knicks wont risk losing Randle for nothing especially since they are offering Brunson an extension...and Randle is extension eligible this year as well. Big tell if they don't offer him an extension.

Obviously Randle + Mitch pretty much work financially...but I don't know how to feel. Offensively the floor would be spaced like crazy and you could have death lineups like Brunson/DD/Mikal/OG/KAT...that would basically be what BOS can put out there on a nightly basis in terms of 5 elite shooters.

Just something to keep an eye on...but gain of salt obviously.

I have never heard from anyone reputable that he Knicks wanted KAT.

[DOT]

yet you can't show me it on the matchup stats lol

Oh my god, you actually are a moron

yeah i guess that's your way of saying you can't

Let's think about this for half a second

If Embiid took 46 shots, and Walker Kessler guarded him for 16 of those shots, that means he took 30 shots against everyone not named Walker Kessler, because 46-16=30. And if he scored 89 points total and 20 points on Walker Kessler, that means he scored 69 points against everyone not named Walker Kessler, because 89-20=69

It's called subtraction, you learn it in kindergarten. Though I supposed you learn word problems in like 5th grade, so maybe you just didn't pass elementary school?

[Ghetto Gospel]

Like I said

It doesn't matter what the facts are, you're just looking to confirm what you want to hear

I don't think he's an Embiid stopper. I've never claimed that. I was just pointing out the flaw of you going "EMBIID PUT UP 44.5 PPG AGAINST JAZZ, KESSLER BAD DEFENSE" thing. Cause that means in the non-Kessler minutes, Embiid put up 69 points on 20-30 shooting, 28-34 from the line, for .767 TS

So vs Kessler as a rookie he put up 20 points on .577 TS, vs every non-Kessler Jazz he put up a combined 69 on .767 TS

But yeah. Embiid put up 44.5 ppg against the Jazz, therefore Kessler sucks at defense actually.

i never said you claimed anything..?

where are the 69 points on 20-30 shooting accounted for in the matchup stats.

you can add them up

Kelly Olynyk gave up 27 pts in 6 matchup minutes 71% from the field
Vanderbilt gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 75% from the field
Lauri gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 67% from the field

then you probably have miscellaneous guys and free throws ect....

free throws are accounted for in the matchup stats

[DOT]

Like I said

It doesn't matter what the facts are, you're just looking to confirm what you want to hear

I don't think he's an Embiid stopper. I've never claimed that. I was just pointing out the flaw of you going "EMBIID PUT UP 44.5 PPG AGAINST JAZZ, KESSLER BAD DEFENSE" thing. Cause that means in the non-Kessler minutes, Embiid put up 69 points on 20-30 shooting, 28-34 from the line, for .767 TS

So vs Kessler as a rookie he put up 20 points on .577 TS, vs every non-Kessler Jazz he put up a combined 69 on .767 TS

But yeah. Embiid put up 44.5 ppg against the Jazz, therefore Kessler sucks at defense actually.

i never said you claimed anything..?

where are the 69 points on 20-30 shooting accounted for in the matchup stats.

you can add them up

Kelly Olynyk gave up 27 pts in 6 matchup minutes 71% from the field
Vanderbilt gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 75% from the field
Lauri gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 67% from the field

then you probably have miscellaneous guys and free throws ect....

You could do that, or you could just subtract Walker's numbers from the overall numbers to just get a general "this is what he scored against everybody else combined"

I guess that was too difficult of a concept to grasp though.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Oh my god, you actually are a moron

yeah i guess that's your way of saying you can't

Let's think about this for half a second

If Embiid took 46 shots, and Walker Kessler guarded him for 16 of those shots, that means he took 30 shots against everyone not named Walker Kessler, because 46-16=30. And if he scored 89 points total and 20 points on Walker Kessler, that means he scored 69 points against everyone not named Walker Kessler, because 89-20=69

It's called subtraction, you learn it in kindergarten. Though I supposed you learn word problems in like 5th grade, so maybe you just didn't pass elementary school?

have you tried to add it up? are you just avoiding adding because you don't know how to add? or because you realized it doesn't foot properly

[Ghetto Gospel]

i see why you're no longer a mod though

[GONYK]

Take this with a grain of salt...CP from KnicksFanTV says knicks still want KAT. Don't shoot the messenger...just was listening to his live stream while working and he seemed pretty adamant...more adamant then I have ever heard him.

Says the knicks wont risk losing Randle for nothing especially since they are offering Brunson an extension...and Randle is extension eligible this year as well. Big tell if they don't offer him an extension.

Obviously Randle + Mitch pretty much work financially...but I don't know how to feel. Offensively the floor would be spaced like crazy and you could have death lineups like Brunson/DD/Mikal/OG/KAT...that would basically be what BOS can put out there on a nightly basis in terms of 5 elite shooters.

Just something to keep an eye on...but gain of salt obviously.

The Knicks are 100% going to offer Randle an extension, IMO. Whether they want to trade him or not.

The question is whether or not it will be a MAX extension.

[mpharris36]

i never said you claimed anything..?

where are the 69 points on 20-30 shooting accounted for in the matchup stats.

you can add them up

Kelly Olynyk gave up 27 pts in 6 matchup minutes 71% from the field
Vanderbilt gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 75% from the field
Lauri gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 67% from the field

then you probably have miscellaneous guys and free throws ect....

You could do that, or you could just subtract Walker's numbers from the overall numbers to just get a general "this is what he scored against everybody else combined"

I guess that was too difficult of a concept to grasp though.

I guess he's trying to say that all embiid stats aren't there so he thinks more pts were potentially scored on Kessler then it shows but I'm not going to go into every guy. There are guards that get matchup minutes due to switches or fouls ect...

[Wildcat]

Take this with a grain of salt...CP from KnicksFanTV says knicks still want KAT. Don't shoot the messenger...just was listening to his live stream while working and he seemed pretty adamant...more adamant then I have ever heard him.

Says the knicks wont risk losing Randle for nothing especially since they are offering Brunson an extension...and Randle is extension eligible this year as well. Big tell if they don't offer him an extension.

Obviously Randle + Mitch pretty much work financially...but I don't know how to feel. Offensively the floor would be spaced like crazy and you could have death lineups like Brunson/DD/Mikal/OG/KAT...that would basically be what BOS can put out there on a nightly basis in terms of 5 elite shooters.

Just something to keep an eye on...but gain of salt obviously.

CP doesn't really spread false stuff like this, so I think it's somewhat legit. I'm sure there are some people in the organization that still want KAT. Doesn't necessarily mean it's a universally desired and the Knicks are sure as hell aren't blowing up their frontcourt for KAT. I don't see it happening.

[Ghetto Gospel]

you can add them up

Kelly Olynyk gave up 27 pts in 6 matchup minutes 71% from the field
Vanderbilt gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 75% from the field
Lauri gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 67% from the field

then you probably have miscellaneous guys and free throws ect....

You could do that, or you could just subtract Walker's numbers from the overall numbers to just get a general "this is what he scored against everybody else combined"

I guess that was too difficult of a concept to grasp though.

I guess he's trying to say that all embiid stats aren't there so he thinks more pts were potentially scored on Kessler then it shows but I'm not going to go into every guy. There are guards that get matchup minutes due to switches or fouls ect...

exactly, i did add it, and it doesn't foot.

[mpharris36]

i never said you claimed anything..?

where are the 69 points on 20-30 shooting accounted for in the matchup stats.

you can add them up

Kelly Olynyk gave up 27 pts in 6 matchup minutes 71% from the field
Vanderbilt gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 75% from the field
Lauri gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 67% from the field

then you probably have miscellaneous guys and free throws ect....

free throws are accounted for in the matchup stats

yes but you get odd matchups with very little matchup minutes...like Malik Beasley was defending him and gave up 7 pts in less than 1 minute

Jordan Clarkson gave up 3 pts

Rudy Gay gave up 6 pts in 30 seconds.

It adds up man. They don't account for pts and don't assign it to the boogeyman...

[Ghetto Gospel]

you can add them up

Kelly Olynyk gave up 27 pts in 6 matchup minutes 71% from the field
Vanderbilt gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 75% from the field
Lauri gave up 10 pts in 2 mins 67% from the field

then you probably have miscellaneous guys and free throws ect....

free throws are accounted for in the matchup stats

yes but you get odd matchups with very little matchup minutes...like Malik Beasley was defending him and gave up 7 pts in less than 1 minute

Jordan Clarkson gave up 3 pts

Rudy Gay gave up 6 pts in 30 seconds.

It adds up man. They don't account for pts and don't assign it to the boogeyman...

please just attempt to add it, it doesn't.

[mpharris36]

Take this with a grain of salt...CP from KnicksFanTV says knicks still want KAT. Don't shoot the messenger...just was listening to his live stream while working and he seemed pretty adamant...more adamant then I have ever heard him.

Says the knicks wont risk losing Randle for nothing especially since they are offering Brunson an extension...and Randle is extension eligible this year as well. Big tell if they don't offer him an extension.

Obviously Randle + Mitch pretty much work financially...but I don't know how to feel. Offensively the floor would be spaced like crazy and you could have death lineups like Brunson/DD/Mikal/OG/KAT...that would basically be what BOS can put out there on a nightly basis in terms of 5 elite shooters.

Just something to keep an eye on...but gain of salt obviously.

The Knicks are 100% going to offer Randle an extension, IMO. Whether they want to trade him or not.

The question is whether or not it will be a MAX extension.

I agree but what if he doesn't accept it...or if they already know he wont accept it.