[Charania/Wojnarowski]: Derozan To Sacramento

[zimpy27]

Keen to see what this team looks like. I'm actually wondering Sabonis might be traded for a different C option.

[codydaze]

Keen to see what this team looks like. I'm actually wondering Sabonis might be traded for a different C option.

There's virtually zero chance Kings trade Sabonis. Maybe we visit that option in 2-3 years if the team isn't doing well but it's not happening any time soon.

[Colbinii]

Keen to see what this team looks like. I'm actually wondering Sabonis might be traded for a different C option.

For who? The entire offense revolves around Sabonis. The only players who can replicate his role are Jokic and Embiid.

[schaffy]

I have this as a swap overpay. And if I am the team gaining the swap — while getting a ‘stabilizing’ vet of the type some teams overpay for — I’m feeling incredible about my offseason.

I don’t like the swap at all, and felt we should’ve been able to dump Huerter or Barnes for at least 2nds (but crap cap landscape. However, DeRozan is sizably better than Barnes despite the age gap, so there would have to be incentive for the Spurs to rather have Barnes instead

And that depends what you think of DeRozan as a talent, but, and I say this not just because you happen to be a Sixers fan, is there a sizable talent gap between him and George? Why is George making ~twice as much (though I know he’s a moderately better defender at this point who stretches the floor more)

George at 34 isn't the defender he once was, but its still not a moderate difference in terms of defense.

[patman66]

I like this for San Antonio, they will benefit from having a pretty stable forward like Harrison Barnes in their rotation. Should be easy to trade next off-season, if they need to shave off his $19MM expiring salary.

I dont think it will be easy to trade barnes and his 19 mil salary. It will cost the spurs to do so.

[TimDunkin]

I like this for San Antonio, they will benefit from having a pretty stable forward like Harrison Barnes in their rotation. Should be easy to trade next off-season, if they need to shave off his $19MM expiring salary.

I dont think it will be easy to trade barnes and his 19 mil salary. It will cost the spurs to do so.

I imagine his salary would likely be used in a trade to get a player on the Spurs timeline, so he'd be packaged with picks and filler.

[patman66]

I like this for San Antonio, they will benefit from having a pretty stable forward like Harrison Barnes in their rotation. Should be easy to trade next off-season, if they need to shave off his $19MM expiring salary.

I dont think it will be easy to trade barnes and his 19 mil salary. It will cost the spurs to do so.

I imagine his salary would likely be used in a trade to get a player on the Spurs timeline, so he'd be packaged with picks and filler.

It is still a negative deal and will require more than the acquired player's value alone to include him in the deal.

[OxAndFox]

I dont think it will be easy to trade barnes and his 19 mil salary. It will cost the spurs to do so.

I imagine his salary would likely be used in a trade to get a player on the Spurs timeline, so he'd be packaged with picks and filler.

It is still a negative deal and will require more than the acquired player's value alone to include him in the deal.

I don't see the Spurs trading Barnes this season and it looks like he may get a larger role on offense for that squad. He will definitely have decent value as an expiring for a contending team.

[tcheco]

I dont think it will be easy to trade barnes and his 19 mil salary. It will cost the spurs to do so.

I imagine his salary would likely be used in a trade to get a player on the Spurs timeline, so he'd be packaged with picks and filler.

It is still a negative deal and will require more than the acquired player's value alone to include him in the deal.

Expiring player + picks is a perfect package for teams looking to rebuild, Spurs won't have to dump barnes contract for capspace only, so no risk at all honestly.

an expiring Westbrook was traded with a first for Russel, Beasley and Vando at the time, which is a positive value group of assets, and he was a 47M expiring that was bought out straight away

[One_and_Done]

I dont think it will be easy to trade barnes and his 19 mil salary. It will cost the spurs to do so.

I imagine his salary would likely be used in a trade to get a player on the Spurs timeline, so he'd be packaged with picks and filler.

It is still a negative deal and will require more than the acquired player's value alone to include him in the deal.

Barnes is going to start for the Spurs. He'll be a solid starter than balances their rotation. I don't think they'll be that fussed about trading him. His contract doesn't matter. What matters is he's still a good player.

With the following rotation I think the Spurs are a shot for the playoffs.

PF: Sochan/Keldon
SF: Barnes/Champs
C: Wemby/Z.Collins
SG: Vassell/Castle/Branham
PG: CP3/Tre/Wesley

That looks to be a good rotation. 4 starters who can hit 3s, and the 5th guy Sochan is passable when left open. All 5 starters are solid to elite on D, and they have size and length. I don't think Paul or Barnes need to be more than average starters if Wemby takes the next step. They'll likely play Paul only 25-28mpg so he can go all out without getting tired.

[PlayerUp]

Spurs moves this offseason have been questionable

Edit: the pick swap (assuming a 1st) makes up for it

Well the Spurs were 15-56 and then end of the season they finished 7-4. Might be too much talent in San Antonio now for them to tank so the moves have been added to bring some veteran experience to develop the young talent further.

[pipfan]

I like the Spurs lineup a lot, but I still would go all in for Lauri-Barnes' salary would work and they have picks. Didn't like the move with Minny for #8-should have taken a SF (glad my Bulls got Matas)

[patman66]

I imagine his salary would likely be used in a trade to get a player on the Spurs timeline, so he'd be packaged with picks and filler.

It is still a negative deal and will require more than the acquired player's value alone to include him in the deal.

Expiring player + picks is a perfect package for teams looking to rebuild, Spurs won't have to dump barnes contract for capspace only, so no risk at all honestly.

an expiring Westbrook was traded with a first for Russel, Beasley and Vando at the time, which is a positive value group of assets, and he was a 47M expiring that was bought out straight away

The spurs are not going to get a net positive return for him. The want to allocate almost 40 mill for the slight chance of one, more power to them. I think having 20 more mill of cap space each year is easier to sell on the market than Barnes.

[Chinook]

Who cares if the deal is negative or positive? Teams trade expirings all the time, and nobody freaks out and goes "Why can't you just give us cap space instead?" RGM gets so embedded in the conceit of "value" that it can miss the obvious point that fewer things matter practically than theoretically. If a team can stay over the cap rather than just ducking under it, it's in their interest to stay over. In some cases, having a chunk of pure cap space is helpful. Most of the time, it's meh, and because of matching rules, it can be less flexible. If the Spurs' plan is to trade for some player making $20M-$27M next summer, the contract the preferred route to go. Might the receiving team prefer cap space? As I hope I've established, maybe. But that's different than pretending that moving Barnes presents some unique challenge to the Spurs in a league where the majority of player trades are done via exceptions.