Official: Miles Bridges back to Charlotte 3 years $75M

[JMAC3]

You have the weirdest arguments--why are you comparing WS?

Fact #1) KPJ just completed his AGE 21 season before signing his contract extension.
Fact #2) As a 21 year old, he finished the season [Final 21 games] averaging 20/6/5 on 44/37/71 shooting splits
Fact #3) KPJ was clearly better than #2 overall pick Jalen Green in 2022

So yeah, you are really missing the boat here with "Look at the Win Shares!". The fact is KPJ was an absolute stud during the 2nd half of his AGE 21 season.

Hell, compare it to the last 21 games of Brandon Miller's Age 21 season:
20/6/5 on 44/37/71
19/5/2.5 on 44/37/81

Full Season:
Miller: 0.8 WS, -2.6 BPM, -65.6 TS+, 17/4/2.5
KPJ: 0.8 WS, -1.6 BPM, -61.8 TS+, 16/4.5/6

Kevin Porter Jr was really freaking good in 2022 for a 21 year old.

Yes, let's continue to switch lanes 20 times lol... first it was empty stats yada yada so I stayed away from raw stats hence the Win Shares and Vorp numbers being tossed around... but now it matters to prop up KPJ.

Dude what are you even talking about? I am simply saying KPJ was signed to his contract because of his potential and what he showed at age 21.

I feel like at this point you are just arguing to argue, so let's re-focus here.

Do you think KPJ was an excellent talent at the age of 21 posting those stats?
Do you think Houston did right by giving an off-court malcontent unguaranteed years?

You are all over the place my guy.
You are trying to talk about 21 game samples
Trying to compare him to Brandon Miller a rookie for some reason.

Miles Bridges was a much better player than KPJ at the time of the contracts.. just flat out. No matter whatever tangent you want to spiral off into.

[Rich4114]

Just out of curiosity, what do people think would have been a good deal for Charlotte resigning Bridges? Or is it just that any contract at all for such a trash player is a bad deal? Like where is the $$$$/yr sit for the consensus to be "oh yeah, that was a good deal for Charlotte"?

I think Bridges isn't a player I would want around my team, especially with some of the charade surrounding LaMelo. But I don't know how Miles Bridges the person is in a team atmosphere compared to how he is in a intimate relationship. Maybe he is amazing in the lockerroom and a great leader--though given his history I do have some doubts about his character.

I would have liked to see some non-guarantee's for Charlotte to cut-bait at any time, similar to the Kevin Porter Jr. Remember, he signed 4/63 Million with only 15 Million Guaranteed.

So he has been a very good teammate by all accounts. He spends time with a lot of them off the court too, a lot of it has been posted on social media. He was also a good teammate early on during Kemba's last few years there. He has also only had one incident in a game I can think of and that was for tossing his mouthpiece at a heckling fan that he immediately apologized for and owned up. This was during the second play-in blow out after the team had to walk across Atlanta because of a traffic issue of some sort. Not an excuse, but certainly an irregularity.

I've tried to look at this from a pure basketball perspective in terms of valuing him, but I get the concept of having non-guaranteed years on the contract. I think the Hornets firm stance was keeping the deal to 3 years where as Miles camp wanted 5 or 4.

I think the chances he is worth more than $25m/per by the time he's an UFA again is greater than not, but that helps protect Charlotte to a degree while also giving Miles something else to play for in 3 years. I think for a player of his production, it would have been difficult to have non-guaranteed years on his deal. If the concern is to protect themselves from another legal incident, as others have mentioned there are provisions built into the CBA to help off-set that.

[Colbinii]

Yes, let's continue to switch lanes 20 times lol... first it was empty stats yada yada so I stayed away from raw stats hence the Win Shares and Vorp numbers being tossed around... but now it matters to prop up KPJ.

Dude what are you even talking about? I am simply saying KPJ was signed to his contract because of his potential and what he showed at age 21.

I feel like at this point you are just arguing to argue, so let's re-focus here.

Do you think KPJ was an excellent talent at the age of 21 posting those stats?
Do you think Houston did right by giving an off-court malcontent unguaranteed years?

You are all over the place my guy.
You are trying to talk about 21 game samples
Trying to compare him to Brandon Miller a rookie for some reason.

Miles Bridges was a much better player than KPJ at the time of the contracts.. just flat out. No matter whatever tangent you want to spiral off into.

I am simply trying to present my point and using hard evidence [Sample Sizes over 21 games, Full Age 21 season, ect] to provide evidence/facts in support of my stance on the matter.

I understand not everyone goes about things like I do on the internet, but I do like to not only make a statement but try my best to back up the statement with facts and/or my reasoning behind my stance.

If it is too difficult to follow my thought process of showing how highly valued KPJ was, then you don't need to respond.

[JMAC3]

I am simply trying to present my point and using hard evidence [Sample Sizes over 21 games, Full Age 21 season, ect] to provide evidence/facts in support of my stance on the matter.

I understand not everyone goes about things like I do on the internet, but I do like to not only make a statement but try my best to back up the statement with facts and/or my reasoning behind my stance.

If it is too difficult to follow my thought process of showing how highly valued KPJ was, then you don't need to respond.

Righttt, so idk why you are heckling me when I did the same thing when I originally presented Win Shares.

[Colbinii]

I am simply trying to present my point and using hard evidence [Sample Sizes over 21 games, Full Age 21 season, ect] to provide evidence/facts in support of my stance on the matter.

I understand not everyone goes about things like I do on the internet, but I do like to not only make a statement but try my best to back up the statement with facts and/or my reasoning behind my stance.

If it is too difficult to follow my thought process of showing how highly valued KPJ was, then you don't need to respond.

Righttt, so idk why you are heckling me when I did the same thing when I originally presented Win Shares.

I am not heckling you. I don't think WS is the best judge of a 21 year-old prospect compared to a Mid-Prime 26 year old.

I then provided evidence as to why KPJ was worth his contract [Potential, Production for a 21-year old vs Brandon Miller--a player you are familiar with].

There are better ways to compare contracts than simply looking at WS, and Age/Potential/Production should all be factors, not just production [Which is what WS attempts to cover].

[JMAC3]

I am simply trying to present my point and using hard evidence [Sample Sizes over 21 games, Full Age 21 season, ect] to provide evidence/facts in support of my stance on the matter.

I understand not everyone goes about things like I do on the internet, but I do like to not only make a statement but try my best to back up the statement with facts and/or my reasoning behind my stance.

If it is too difficult to follow my thought process of showing how highly valued KPJ was, then you don't need to respond.

Righttt, so idk why you are heckling me when I did the same thing when I originally presented Win Shares.

I am not heckling you. I don't think WS is the best judge of a 21 year-old prospect compared to a Mid-Prime 26 year old.

I then provided evidence as to why KPJ was worth his contract [Potential, Production for a 21-year old vs Brandon Miller--a player you are familiar with].

There are better ways to compare contracts than simply looking at WS, and Age/Potential/Production should all be factors, not just production [Which is what WS attempts to cover].

Got it... So you must think KPJ contract this year is a massive value and he is about to explode and make the Clippers much better on his 2.2 million dollar deal.

[Colbinii]

Righttt, so idk why you are heckling me when I did the same thing when I originally presented Win Shares.

I am not heckling you. I don't think WS is the best judge of a 21 year-old prospect compared to a Mid-Prime 26 year old.

I then provided evidence as to why KPJ was worth his contract [Potential, Production for a 21-year old vs Brandon Miller--a player you are familiar with].

There are better ways to compare contracts than simply looking at WS, and Age/Potential/Production should all be factors, not just production [Which is what WS attempts to cover].

Got it... So you must think KPJ contract this year is a massive value and he is about to explode and make the Clippers much better on his 2.2 million dollar deal.

No, I am talking about the time when KPJ signed his contract and how it included 3 unguaranteed years. I am then comparing that time to now with Bridges.

You can see how badly Houston would be screwed if they didn't have unguaranteed years, right? That's sort of my point with Bridges--I would have liked to see protection for CHARLOTTE in the deal, but there is no protection.

[JMAC3]

I am not heckling you. I don't think WS is the best judge of a 21 year-old prospect compared to a Mid-Prime 26 year old.

I then provided evidence as to why KPJ was worth his contract [Potential, Production for a 21-year old vs Brandon Miller--a player you are familiar with].

There are better ways to compare contracts than simply looking at WS, and Age/Potential/Production should all be factors, not just production [Which is what WS attempts to cover].

Got it... So you must think KPJ contract this year is a massive value and he is about to explode and make the Clippers much better on his 2.2 million dollar deal.

No, I am talking about the time when KPJ signed his contract and how it included 3 unguaranteed years. I am then comparing that time to now with Bridges.

You can see how badly Houston would be screwed if they didn't have unguaranteed years, right? That's sort of my point with Bridges--I would have liked to see protection for CHARLOTTE in the deal, but there is no protection.

You are arguing KPJ was a talented prospect, are you changing your tune because he was out of the league in 1yr? What happened to all your sample size agenda you were pushing 5 mins ago?

[Colbinii]

Got it... So you must think KPJ contract this year is a massive value and he is about to explode and make the Clippers much better on his 2.2 million dollar deal.

No, I am talking about the time when KPJ signed his contract and how it included 3 unguaranteed years. I am then comparing that time to now with Bridges.

You can see how badly Houston would be screwed if they didn't have unguaranteed years, right? That's sort of my point with Bridges--I would have liked to see protection for CHARLOTTE in the deal, but there is no protection.

You are arguing KPJ was a talented prospect, are you changing your tune because he was out of the league in 1yr? What happened to all your sample size agenda you were pushing 5 mins ago?

Huh? I think you are completely missing my point here friend.

I am saying that KPJ, like Bridges, had off-the-court issues. I am saying both of them are supremely talented players who can help a team win games.

I am saying both should have unguaranteed contracts.

Hopefully this dumbs it down enough.

[JMAC3]

No, I am talking about the time when KPJ signed his contract and how it included 3 unguaranteed years. I am then comparing that time to now with Bridges.

You can see how badly Houston would be screwed if they didn't have unguaranteed years, right? That's sort of my point with Bridges--I would have liked to see protection for CHARLOTTE in the deal, but there is no protection.

You are arguing KPJ was a talented prospect, are you changing your tune because he was out of the league in 1yr? What happened to all your sample size agenda you were pushing 5 mins ago?

Huh? I think you are completely missing my point here friend.

I am saying that KPJ, like Bridges, had off-the-court issues. I am saying both of them are supremely talented players who can help a team win games.

I am saying both should have unguaranteed contracts.

Hopefully this dumbs it down enough.

Where we are disagreeing is that KPJ was some hugely talented prospect, you are saying the reason the contract was unguaranteed was because the off the court stuff, when in my opinion it was ALSO a hedge against him as a talent.

Guys sign unguaranteed deals for reasons other than off the court issues. Jock Landale, CP3, Bertans, Shamet are some examples of teams that overpaying for a guy but building in outs on the backend based on concerns about impact on the court. I think that has a lot more do with KPj contract then you are leading on.

Which would then check out that he had very little interest in a deal this summer, being forced to sign basically for the minimum because the lack of belief in his talent along with the on court stuff.

Bridges is a much much better player than KPJ is my point. Hence why if Bridges went to a new team it would look a lot closer to what the Hornets gave him then the contract KPJ received a few weeks ago.

[JMAC3]

Bridges was going to probably sign for a 4/120 at minimum before the off the court stuff and I don't think anyone would have had some major beef with that. He then signed for 3/75. So less money and less years.

I guess that is my disconnect is that he is already signing for less than his perceived worth due to off the court issues.

Even a few weeks ago people thought he might get 30 million in FA from a team like Detroit, Utah or Philly...

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I think he can be a bad defender and not a terrible basketball player. Can be a bad defender and be worth 25 million.. There’s plenty of them.

But you don’t pay top dollar for the player while ignoring the person, bringing up when 2022 Bridges is worth and ignoring the 2024 version, pretending there’s no risk of him getting back in shape and back to that level, etc. just seems too much for me.

Just to clarify.. this was what I posted in a Bridges sign and trade idea to Dallas. Where it was not judging CLT or any bias towards them for no reason.. and I still pretty much the same I guess?

Bridges’ contract is interesting to me.. Like I can see a team guaranteeing him 16-18 mil type on a four year deal and taking the risk to have a nice underpaid starter.. 20-22, you want at least a team option, with the max incentives included in that number.. 25+ you want a lot of unguarantee money..

In that thread there was a lot of other takes, but yeah.. Most were he shouldn’t get his entire contract guaranteed. And some CLT fans thinking Rich Paul would get him 30+ mil a year guaranteed.

And if he decides to stop being a terrible person, it’ll probably be a good deal…

But meh here.