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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! California (July 6-10); Utah (July 8-10); Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#281 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:37 am

FrodoBaggins wrote:Look at how much space his screen creates for Scottie Pippen Jr.

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I think there's a good chance Zach can match Steven Adams' screening from day one. The game footage looks good so far. Adams was the best screener in the league IMO. He was #1 in the league for per 36 screen assists per game in '22 and '23. Here are his numbers from his Memphis' seasons:

2021-22: 5.5 screen assists (4th in NBA); 12.0 screen assist points (4th in NBA); 26.3 minutes per game
2022-23: 5.6 screen assists (1st in NBA); 12.6 screen assist points (2nd in NBA); 27.0 minutes per game

Adjusted numbers (minimum 621 minutes):

2021-22: 7.5 screen assists per 36 minutes (1st in NBA); 16.4 screen assist points per 36 minutes (2nd in NBA)
2022-23: 7.5 screen assists per 36 minutes (1st in NBA); 16.8 screen assist points per 36 minutes (1st in NBA)


Even if opponents put a wing on Morant, how can the defense effectively switch on that play? Edey is a far better scorer than Adam.

What I like about this game is that Edey played seamlessly within the flow of the game, recording the highest +/-.

He demonstrated he is not a defensive liability but a defensive asset. However, Keyonte George's YOLO shooting also played a part.
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Post#282 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:39 am

I'm also impressed with Scotty Pippen Jr.; he appears to be in the same category as previous backup point guards like De'Anthony Melton and Tyus Jones of the Grizzlies, who are favorites of advanced stats.
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Post#283 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:42 am

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Post#284 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:53 am

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Post#285 » by Exp0sed » Tue Jul 9, 2024 12:20 pm

yeah, Edey should have gone #1 in this draft

I could see a rebuilding team shooting for the stars, going with a guy with a higher ceiling but those guys in this particular draft all have a decent chance to bust completely whereas with Edey there was an established floor

even if a team or two really liked what they saw from a particular prospect, there's no way 8 teams should have passed on him that's just dumb. if it weren't for Memphis, who knows? dude was barely projected to be in the first round according to mocks

if Memphis can stay healthy they can be a real contender this year and in the next few years. what a great addition and he'll be producing off the bench from day 1, that's maximum value on a rookie contract
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Post#286 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:42 pm

Setting a monster screen is probably the most underappreciated asset in the game. Edey is going to be a menace. I think he is going to be a 15/12 guy as a rookie w/ a elite TS%, low fouls, elite advanced stats and 28+ mpg.
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Post#287 » by Sakkreth » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:55 pm

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FrodoBaggins wrote:Look at how much space his screen creates for Scottie Pippen Jr.

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I think there's a good chance Zach can match Steven Adams' screening from day one. The game footage looks good so far. Adams was the best screener in the league IMO. He was #1 in the league for per 36 screen assists per game in '22 and '23. Here are his numbers from his Memphis' seasons:

2021-22: 5.5 screen assists (4th in NBA); 12.0 screen assist points (4th in NBA); 26.3 minutes per game
2022-23: 5.6 screen assists (1st in NBA); 12.6 screen assist points (2nd in NBA); 27.0 minutes per game

Adjusted numbers (minimum 621 minutes):

2021-22: 7.5 screen assists per 36 minutes (1st in NBA); 16.4 screen assist points per 36 minutes (2nd in NBA)
2022-23: 7.5 screen assists per 36 minutes (1st in NBA); 16.8 screen assist points per 36 minutes (1st in NBA)


They legitimately have a stat for anything. If Edey is setting a screen like that for a speed merchant like Morant, how do you stop Memphis' offense?


You go under, unlike in this clip. Ja is 31% shooter from deep.
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Post#288 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:26 pm

Exp0sed wrote:yeah, Edey should have gone #1 in this draft

I could see a rebuilding team shooting for the stars, going with a guy with a higher ceiling but those guys in this particular draft all have a decent chance to bust completely whereas with Edey there was an established floor

even if a team or two really liked what they saw from a particular prospect, there's no way 8 teams should have passed on him that's just dumb. if it weren't for Memphis, who knows? dude was barely projected to be in the first round according to mocks

if Memphis can stay healthy they can be a real contender this year and in the next few years. what a great addition and he'll be producing off the bench from day 1, that's maximum value on a rookie contract


Yeah, and what's the risk? It's not like Risacher, Sarr, or Sheppard are generational or once-in-a-decade talents.
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Re: 2024 NBA Summer League! California (July 6-10); Utah (July 8-10); Vegas (July 12-22) 

Post#289 » by FrodoBaggins » Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:29 pm

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Chuck Everett wrote:
FrodoBaggins wrote:Look at how much space his screen creates for Scottie Pippen Jr.

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I think there's a good chance Zach can match Steven Adams' screening from day one. The game footage looks good so far. Adams was the best screener in the league IMO. He was #1 in the league for per 36 screen assists per game in '22 and '23. Here are his numbers from his Memphis' seasons:

2021-22: 5.5 screen assists (4th in NBA); 12.0 screen assist points (4th in NBA); 26.3 minutes per game
2022-23: 5.6 screen assists (1st in NBA); 12.6 screen assist points (2nd in NBA); 27.0 minutes per game

Adjusted numbers (minimum 621 minutes):

2021-22: 7.5 screen assists per 36 minutes (1st in NBA); 16.4 screen assist points per 36 minutes (2nd in NBA)
2022-23: 7.5 screen assists per 36 minutes (1st in NBA); 16.8 screen assist points per 36 minutes (1st in NBA)


They legitimately have a stat for anything. If Edey is setting a screen like that for a speed merchant like Morant, how do you stop Memphis' offense?


You go under, unlike in this clip. Ja is 31% shooter from deep.

Basketball's a little more complicated than that. Good screeners like Adams and Edey will angle and time the pick so that it's very hard for the ball handler's defender to drop. Steven Adams was so good at North-South screens with guys like Westbrook and Morant. Not to mention, it's not a good idea to give a hyper-athletic guard like Ja a head of steam by backing off him.
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Post#290 » by akhan786 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 3:31 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:On summer league game and Adem Bona looks like NBA spacing will make him so nasty on pick and rolls. Mick Cronin is a moron (when it comes to coaching offense). This will be three years in a row UCLA guys come into the NBA and show more than they did in college.

Not a UCLA fan so idk if Cronin’s spacing is particularly atrocious, but it is kind of understood by NBA scouts that they need to take into account how bad spacing is in college (smaller key/shorter 3 pt/worse shooters) when evaluating college talent.

MSU beat Zion because they were allowed to just pack the paint which is harder to do in the NBA.
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Post#291 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Jul 9, 2024 3:36 pm

FrodoBaggins wrote:
Sakkreth wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:
They legitimately have a stat for anything. If Edey is setting a screen like that for a speed merchant like Morant, how do you stop Memphis' offense?


You go under, unlike in this clip. Ja is 31% shooter from deep.

Basketball's a little more complicated than that. Good screeners like Adams and Edey will angle and time the pick so that it's very hard for the ball handler's defender to drop. Steven Adams was so good at North-South screens with guys like Westbrook and Morant. Not to mention, it's not a good idea to give a hyper-athletic guard like Ja a head of steam by backing off him.


Its also worth noting that even a 31% 3PT shooter is very likely to shoot well above that in situations where the guy goes under. Thats a wide open 3 if the plan is to simply go under and dare Ja to shoot.
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Post#292 » by knicksNOTslick » Tue Jul 9, 2024 3:42 pm

76ciology wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:yeah, Edey should have gone #1 in this draft

I could see a rebuilding team shooting for the stars, going with a guy with a higher ceiling but those guys in this particular draft all have a decent chance to bust completely whereas with Edey there was an established floor

even if a team or two really liked what they saw from a particular prospect, there's no way 8 teams should have passed on him that's just dumb. if it weren't for Memphis, who knows? dude was barely projected to be in the first round according to mocks

if Memphis can stay healthy they can be a real contender this year and in the next few years. what a great addition and he'll be producing off the bench from day 1, that's maximum value on a rookie contract


Yeah, and what's the risk? It's not like Risacher, Sarr, or Sheppard are generational or once-in-a-decade talents.

Crazy to think that a team could have stolen Edey (with the #8) with a pick swap 6 years down the line
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Post#293 » by Tor_Raps » Tue Jul 9, 2024 3:53 pm

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76ciology wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:yeah, Edey should have gone #1 in this draft

I could see a rebuilding team shooting for the stars, going with a guy with a higher ceiling but those guys in this particular draft all have a decent chance to bust completely whereas with Edey there was an established floor

even if a team or two really liked what they saw from a particular prospect, there's no way 8 teams should have passed on him that's just dumb. if it weren't for Memphis, who knows? dude was barely projected to be in the first round according to mocks

if Memphis can stay healthy they can be a real contender this year and in the next few years. what a great addition and he'll be producing off the bench from day 1, that's maximum value on a rookie contract


Yeah, and what's the risk? It's not like Risacher, Sarr, or Sheppard are generational or once-in-a-decade talents.

Crazy to think that a team could have stolen Edey (with the #8) with a pick swap 6 years down the line


Imagine Wemby/Edey on the court at the same time. It's literally how France is going to look defensively in the Olympics + Edey gives you much better offensive potential. Spurs will regret not taking him.
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Post#295 » by giberish » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:43 pm

76ciology wrote:If I were Edey and my teammates didn't get me the ball like in this game, I would ask for a trade.


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Post#296 » by Catchall » Tue Jul 9, 2024 8:50 pm

I was at the game in Salt Lake last night. Edey is a lot like Steven Adams, though Edey has touch out to about 10 feet. He set some amazing (if illegal) walking screens, so he'll need to clean that up. He's pretty impossible for defenders to move. I could see him have some foul trouble if he plays extended minutes.

Memphis put GG Jackson in some unusual situations, having him defend guards fullcourt and try to handle the ball in the middle of the floor. Towards the end, GG was forcing some drives when he probably should have taken mid-range jumpers he was comfortable with in college. He looks really good physically as a 19 y.o.

The kid from UConn is a very comfortable shooter. He might stick on a roster.

Isaiah Collier already has NBA speed and physicality, and he looked pretty comfortable shooting from NBA distance. He's really good at pushing the ball and making well-timed plays at full speed. He's got some real point guard instincts. He doesn't elevate much at the rim in traffic.

Keyonte George is more of a combo-guard who is being handed an on-ball role. (Think Reggie Jackson in Detroit.) He's better off playing off the ball and being a secondary creator. He was forcing shots and taking liberties during the 1st half. He's good at getting past defenders and drawing fouls on drives though, and he had the mentality to try to make big plays late.

Cody Williams needs an adjustment period to get used to the size and physicality of the NBA. He doesn't look physically ready for it. He had a couple of nice, slippery drives to the rim and a mid-range jumper off his own set up. He generally makes the right pass at the right time. He needs to live in the weight room.
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Post#297 » by Exp0sed » Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:01 pm

knicksNOTslick wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:yeah, Edey should have gone #1 in this draft

I could see a rebuilding team shooting for the stars, going with a guy with a higher ceiling but those guys in this particular draft all have a decent chance to bust completely whereas with Edey there was an established floor

even if a team or two really liked what they saw from a particular prospect, there's no way 8 teams should have passed on him that's just dumb. if it weren't for Memphis, who knows? dude was barely projected to be in the first round according to mocks

if Memphis can stay healthy they can be a real contender this year and in the next few years. what a great addition and he'll be producing off the bench from day 1, that's maximum value on a rookie contract


Yeah, and what's the risk? It's not like Risacher, Sarr, or Sheppard are generational or once-in-a-decade talents.

Crazy to think that a team could have stolen Edey (with the #8) with a pick swap 6 years down the line


the crazy thing is no1 did it...
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Post#298 » by Clav » Tue Jul 9, 2024 10:59 pm

Right now - NBA TV is showing the MEM/UTA game from last night if anyone missed the OT and close finish at the end [in the 2nd Q rn]. Next up are the two other games from Sacramento
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Post#299 » by azcatz11 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 11:26 pm

I'm honestly not trying to be a dick but I'd rather have Cam Spencer than Dick
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Post#300 » by JustBuzzin » Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:13 am

azcatz11 wrote:I'm honestly not trying to be a dick but I'd rather have Cam Spencer than Dick

Is Jared McCain your favorite rookie in this class? :o

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