Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[ckchen]

The KJ trade slot is line 14. Ideally, you find a guy under control for 3 years that fits into the 2nd apron space each year. I still think you need a bit of buffer, so $8-10M would be my target.

Seems unlikely the Bulls would trade Jalen Smith this year, but his contract would slot in perfectly. Slo Mo would be a more realistic possibility if the Warriors struggle.

Edit: also, this assumes Oubre get his full 175% via Early-Bird rights. The NTMLE will be slightly above that amount, so he may have some leverage to get that full amount. But hopefully he takes less (or just opts in).

What this does is pretty much illustrate how close to the 2nd apron any kind of balloon payment for KJ takes the team. If you trade him for anyone making $12M or who you would have to re-sign for over $12M after trading for him, they have immediately crossed into the 2nd apron by next season.

BTW - if you assume that they do is cross the 2nd apron, doesn't that mean they don't have access to any exceptions in Year 3 of this sheet?

Whether or not Oubre gets paid more, they still have wiggle room with the minimums. Again, you don't have to sign all vet minimum, rookie minimums for instance are about a 1/3 of the vet minimum

I'm pretty sure that only saves you less than $1M a player, because all vets count for the equivalent of a 2nd year minimum contract and contending teams rarely sign rookie minimums to fill their roster because those guys generally won't see the floor or play much at all on a playoff team. That's not really a lot of "wiggle room" and leaves you trying to fill the bottom half of a playoff roster with undrafted unproven rookie free agents who probably wouldn't even see the floor on a lottery team.

[M2J]

What this does is pretty much illustrate how close to the 2nd apron any kind of balloon payment for KJ takes the team. If you trade him for anyone making $12M or who you would have to re-sign for over $12M after trading for him, they have immediately crossed into the 2nd apron by next season.

BTW - if you assume that they do is cross the 2nd apron, doesn't that mean they don't have access to any exceptions in Year 3 of this sheet?

Whether or not Oubre gets paid more, they still have wiggle room with the minimums. Again, you don't have to sign all vet minimum, rookie minimums for instance are about a 1/3 of the vet minimum

I'm pretty sure that only saves you less than $1M a player, because all vets count for the equivalent of a 2nd year minimum contract and contending teams rarely sign rookie minimums to fill their roster because those guys generally won't see the floor or play much at all on a playoff team. That's not really a lot of "wiggle room" and leaves you trying to fill the bottom half of a playoff roster with undrafted unproven rookie free agents who probably wouldn't even see the floor on a lottery team.

If a team needs to sign a rookie to stay out of the tax, they could

0 $1,157,153
1 $1,862,265
2 $2,087,519
3 $2,162,606
4 $2,237,691
5 $2,425,403
6 $2,613,120
7 $2,800,834
8 $2,988,550
9 $3,003,427
10+ $3,303,771

[NearingZero]

What this does is pretty much illustrate how close to the 2nd apron any kind of balloon payment for KJ takes the team. If you trade him for anyone making $12M or who you would have to re-sign for over $12M after trading for him, they have immediately crossed into the 2nd apron by next season.

BTW - if you assume that they do is cross the 2nd apron, doesn't that mean they don't have access to any exceptions in Year 3 of this sheet?

Whether or not Oubre gets paid more, they still have wiggle room with the minimums. Again, you don't have to sign all vet minimum, rookie minimums for instance are about a 1/3 of the vet minimum

I'm pretty sure that only saves you less than $1M a player, because all vets count for the equivalent of a 2nd year minimum contract and contending teams rarely sign rookie minimums to fill their roster because those guys generally won't see the floor or play much at all on a playoff team. That's not really a lot of "wiggle room" and leaves you trying to fill the bottom half of a playoff roster with undrafted unproven rookie free agents who probably wouldn't even see the floor on a lottery team.

Mostly agree with this. It wouldn't be too surprising for them to roster one 2nd round pick (like Bona might be this year), but more than that seems unlikely. They don't currently have a 2nd rounder for next draft, but it's possible they pick one up in a minor move.

[NearingZero]

Whether or not Oubre gets paid more, they still have wiggle room with the minimums. Again, you don't have to sign all vet minimum, rookie minimums for instance are about a 1/3 of the vet minimum

I'm pretty sure that only saves you less than $1M a player, because all vets count for the equivalent of a 2nd year minimum contract and contending teams rarely sign rookie minimums to fill their roster because those guys generally won't see the floor or play much at all on a playoff team. That's not really a lot of "wiggle room" and leaves you trying to fill the bottom half of a playoff roster with undrafted unproven rookie free agents who probably wouldn't even see the floor on a lottery team.

If a team needs to sign a rookie to stay out of the tax, they could

0 $1,157,153
1 $1,862,265
2 $2,087,519
3 $2,162,606
4 $2,237,691
5 $2,425,403
6 $2,613,120
7 $2,800,834
8 $2,988,550
9 $3,003,427
10+ $3,303,771

Everything past 2 is irrelevant - they all count the same as far as the cap/apron is concerned.

[FireMorey]

Paul Reed claimed by Pistons so they assume the remainder of his contract.

[FlyingArrow]

Paul Reed claimed by Pistons so they assume the remainder of his contract.

I'm glad he's getting paid.

[youngcrev]

Yay for Basketball. And yay for the Knicks not getting a decent backup 5 on the minimum.

[FlyingArrow]

Crazy question for everyone... what stops Drummond from playing next to Embiid? Embiid's ball handling and shooting allows him to space the floor enough that they wouldn't have to be in the same spot on the floor. If Drummond is rebounding like he always does, that would free Embiid to be more of a free safety on defense and shut down the whole other team. One big reason, of course, is that we need Drummond to be Embiid's backup. But in all the talk about a starting power forward, why don't we just use the best rebounder in the NBA since 1970? (And right now, it's not even close.)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_career.html

[youngcrev]

Crazy question for everyone... what stops Drummond from playing next to Embiid? Embiid's ball handling and shooting allows him to space the floor enough that they wouldn't have to be in the same spot on the floor. If Drummond is rebounding like he always does, that would free Embiid to be more of a free safety on defense and shut down the whole other team. One big reason, of course, is that we need Drummond to be Embiid's backup. But in all the talk about a starting power forward, why don't we just use the best rebounder in the NBA since 1970? (And right now, it's not even close.)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_career.html

Spacing. Defending the perimeter.

[FlyingArrow]

Crazy question for everyone... what stops Drummond from playing next to Embiid? Embiid's ball handling and shooting allows him to space the floor enough that they wouldn't have to be in the same spot on the floor. If Drummond is rebounding like he always does, that would free Embiid to be more of a free safety on defense and shut down the whole other team. One big reason, of course, is that we need Drummond to be Embiid's backup. But in all the talk about a starting power forward, why don't we just use the best rebounder in the NBA since 1970? (And right now, it's not even close.)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_career.html

Spacing. Defending the perimeter.

We have seen Embiid defend 1-5. Is he still capable? Even if not, he can certainly defend an opposing 3 or 4.

[FireMorey]

Lowry reported to be choosing between the Sixers and Suns.

[Ben]

Lowry reported to be choosing between the Sixers and Suns.

With him being a Philly guy I'd ordinarily suppose that he'd choose us easily. But I guess seniors do like that dry heat.

[Jailblazers7]

Lowry reported to be choosing between the Sixers and Suns.

Compete for a title with your hometown team or hop on a sinking ship with a bunch of pouty losers? Difficult decision for sure lol

[youngcrev]

Crazy question for everyone... what stops Drummond from playing next to Embiid? Embiid's ball handling and shooting allows him to space the floor enough that they wouldn't have to be in the same spot on the floor. If Drummond is rebounding like he always does, that would free Embiid to be more of a free safety on defense and shut down the whole other team. One big reason, of course, is that we need Drummond to be Embiid's backup. But in all the talk about a starting power forward, why don't we just use the best rebounder in the NBA since 1970? (And right now, it's not even close.)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_career.html

Spacing. Defending the perimeter.

We have seen Embiid defend 1-5. Is he still capable? Even if not, he can certainly defend an opposing 3 or 4.

Regardless of what Embiid is capable of, he's one of the best rim protectors in the league. There's no reason to take him away from where he's most impactful defensively.

[Sixersftw]

Lowry reported to be choosing between the Sixers and Suns.

Compete for a title with your hometown team or hop on a sinking ship with a bunch of pouty losers? Difficult decision for sure lol

Gone and bring the big old rump back to south Philly.

Low key, I don't want to give Nick the opportunity to over play him but it is what it is.

[Stanford]

Paul Reed claimed by Pistons so they assume the remainder of his contract.

I'm glad he's getting paid.

Yes, very glad he didn't get screwed by this whole thing. He earned that contract.

[M2J]

[jstross]

Can they renegotiate his contract ie more guaranteed money, but less overall?

Paul Reed claimed by Pistons so they assume the remainder of his contract.

[Ben]

Crazy question for everyone... what stops Drummond from playing next to Embiid? Embiid's ball handling and shooting allows him to space the floor enough that they wouldn't have to be in the same spot on the floor. If Drummond is rebounding like he always does, that would free Embiid to be more of a free safety on defense and shut down the whole other team. One big reason, of course, is that we need Drummond to be Embiid's backup. But in all the talk about a starting power forward, why don't we just use the best rebounder in the NBA since 1970? (And right now, it's not even close.)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_career.html

Spacing. Defending the perimeter.

We have seen Embiid defend 1-5. Is he still capable? Even if not, he can certainly defend an opposing 3 or 4.

Drummond and Vuc played a little bit of time together last year, but that was against really big frontcourts such as Minnesota's. Vuc himself explained the reason why it wouldn't work against most lineups, which most of us could have anticipated:

If it's a team that plays with a power forward who's really good at handling and shooting, that's hard because we can't guard fours like that as well.

[M2J]

Spacing. Defending the perimeter.

We have seen Embiid defend 1-5. Is he still capable? Even if not, he can certainly defend an opposing 3 or 4.

Regardless of what Embiid is capable of, he's one of the best rim protectors in the league. There's no reason to take him away from where he's most impactful defensively.

Situationally Drummond in the dunker spot and setting screens around the others could certainly happen. Wouldn't really want to do it vs Boston with Tatum and Brown out there, only because they would certainly pull him away.... But often times teams playing big just have either big defending around the box and willing to step out and contest a 3. Matter of fact, considering that's all Boston does... Maybe that could work.

On a different note. I doubt we see that often though, but having Joel or Drummond who is arguably the best rebounder in the world on at any time is why I'm not concerned about rebounds.