Bravo Langdon… Bravo!!!

[Lyonfan1]

Bravo Mr Langdn…. Bravo! I know half the internet, and its forums now want to trade Ivey, Stewart, Ausar etc… but I’d prefer to watch them with an actual shooting coach, head coach, and a year with true NBA talent around them.

-Tobias and Beasley for a combined 32M next year

-Simon Fontecchio 2 years cheap

-Claimed Paul Reed with ultimate flexibility on his contract

-Wendell Moore- recent first rounder, shooting guard with some length, outside range, and solid defender.

-Acquired THJ with 3 future 2nds and Bobi Klintman for #53 and “cash considerations and Q Grimes….

Hardaway
Beasley
Fontecchio
T Harris
P Reed

We have added 5 players for a combined 64M with no long term contracts, and collectively we acquired 5 guys above 35% from 3…. We may have added 5 guys (plus Holland and Moore) who would have been top 9 players here last year.

Cade is already paid and if he’s not the guy, we are screwed… but here we go-

Cade- 22 yrs…. 22 pts 4 and 8
Duren- 20 yrs… 14 pts and 11
Ivey- 22 yrs… 15 pts 3 and 3
Ausar- 21 yrs… 9 pts 6 and 2
Stewart- 22 yrs…. 11 pts 7 and 2

That was effectively our intended starting 5 with Duren being a kid, Stew trying to become a starting 4… Ivey and Cade not being a great fit together… and Ausar being a rookie with a checked out HC- we just ate 70M so he’d LEAVE!!!

If cheap rookie deal players who have shown some chops aren’t fits HERE… then where?

[theBigLip]

Definitely like what TL has done. I also am in no hurry to do a marginal trade w our young core. Let’s see what they can do w a better coaching situation.

[A_dub06]

I really don’t care for wins and wouldn’t bother me if we only won a couple games more than last season, all I want to see is development from our young players which spacing and stronger defensive intensity was both severely lacking and I think these moves put them in a better position to develop. I don’t think the newly signed players should be playing insane minutes either, just seeing lineups both starting and bench can operate with enough space and play the right way is a solid win.

Weaver had no idea how to build an environment for development or a roster that can win, he really was the worst gm the leagues seen in some time.

[mattao313]

Meh if this is all he's got, he hasn't done anything special. Like the holland pick but the signings/trades are nothing special pretty sure tobias would have come here regardless, and the other guys are Alec burk level players at best.

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[dVs33]

I've loved the off-season so far.
We've added playable vets that space the floor, high upside draft picks and a coach with a track record of developing young teams.
Cade is the only crazy contract on the books and I'm quite happy to have it.
I really hope he doesn't trade any of duren/stew/Ivey/Thompson. At least not at this stage.
The roster is far more balanced and it's set up to compliment Cade.
So far I'm happy.

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[Pharaoh]

Meh if this is all he's got, he hasn't done anything special. Like the holland pick but the signings/trades are nothing special pretty sure tobias would have come here regardless, and the other guys are Alec burk level players at best.

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What did you expect Langdon to do this off-season?

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[mattao313]

Meh if this is all he's got, he hasn't done anything special. Like the holland pick but the signings/trades are nothing special pretty sure tobias would have come here regardless, and the other guys are Alec burk level players at best.

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What did you expect Langdon to do this off-season?

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I don't think it was horrible but it definitely doesn't deserve a bravo and I don't love or even like it. Not far for what weaver did getting Burks, bojan and morris imo.

I guess people a setting a low bar because he didnt give out a Bagley level deal or trade for a crappy project center when we already have Duren.

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[LaSheed]

Overall I give the offseason a B/B-. Solid offseason filling many holes. Invest in wings before signing a $100m big was my biggest priority.

Nothing stupid was done. No contracts to hold us back were given out. Overall I can't complain.

[bstein14]

With the cap going up 10% every year for the next several years the ideal scenario would have been to lock some players into good value declining 4 year contracts IMO or at least even 3 year flat deals.

What will we have remaining from this $65+ million offseason 24 months from now that is the real question. Is it just the few 2nds from the THjr trade? If we want to keep Font two years from now will it cost us $20 million per year in 26-27?

It feels like TL is either planning on having to give Duren and or Ivey big extensions and wants to keep the money freed up, or he wants to use some of these short term deals to try and land a bigger fish... or he wants to simply keep flexibility open in future summers having money to spend.

The reality is, the best value contracts end up being worth more than contracts about to expire most of the time. It would have been nice to see TL lock someone into a longer term good value deal.

In Langdon's defense, its possible most agents were advising against signing longer deals knowing the cap would be on the rise 10% each year for the foreseeable future and pretty much seeing this being the last summer of so many teams having to pinch pennies.

[thesack12]

Meh if this is all he's got, he hasn't done anything special. Like the holland pick but the signings/trades are nothing special pretty sure tobias would have come here regardless, and the other guys are Alec burk level players at best.

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Yeah, I mostly agree.

While, I have liked some of the individual moves that Langdon has made. IMO, There is nothing here that warrants explicit praise.

These moves that most of the Pistons fanbase has been celebrating, are generally the types of moves that other teams/GM's frequently make to augment their team around the margins. These moves are the types that most teams do to fill out their roster, not build it.

Langdon is currently operating like an average GM. He's not making detrimental decisions, and is incrementally improving the talent base drip by drip.

However, since Detroit has been plagued with terrible GM'ing for so long, the bar has been substantially lowered in a lot of fan's eyes. Anything that is perceived as a +, gets over-rated. And I get it, if you have been a fan of the Pistons for the last 15 years or so, +'s have been rather hard to come by. Most especially the last 4 years.

Its also worth noting that Langdon walked in the door already being at a disadvantage. He inherited a godawful team, that was low on overall talent, a - allotment of draft picks, and Detroit has never been an attractive destination even when the team was good.

Another thing worth noting is Langdon, was armed with like $60 mil in cap space. Which is something the vast majority of GM's don't have at their disposal.

We can't be expecting anything earth shattering here, however we should be expecting Langdon to perform at a reasonable level relative to his peers. And thus far he's doing that.

To conclude, I'm encouraged by Langdon thus far. Substantially more than I ever was with Weaver. Troy lost me super early, with his dumbfounding decisions. Still, personally I'm not going to shower him with praise quite yet.

[thesack12]

My biggest gripes with Langdon thus far:

1) The Hardaway trade. As I've already been on record numerous times, I don't like that move. However, the most upsetting part of it was the timing of it. I'll never understand what the need was to make that move a couple days before free agency opened. Subsequent events, only made that move look worse and worse.

2) The Bickerstaff hire. This was about as un-inspiring of a hire as there could have been. Just another ho-hum retread that Detroit is trying to scavenge fresh off another team's dumpster pile. This entire coaching situation for Detroit just seems incredibly narrow minded and short changed. Reports were that Langdon was ok with keeping Monty (for now anyways) and Gores made the call to fire him. Then, they cast a super shallow net in their coaching search. I still have yet to hear anything legitimate that says that they formally interviewed someone other than Bickerstaff. Only interviewing 1 person, would be an incredibly short sighted approach.

3) Not really a gripe here, at least not without all the information. But I sure would like to know what offers were on the table to move back from #5 on draft night. I was on record stating that I preferred to move back before the draft. Would be quite interested to see what the actual offers were. But we'll probably never know.

Honorable mention) There were reports saying that Ron Holland had no contact with Detroit before getting drafted. Later it was mentioned that Langdon said he did talk with Holland pre-draft. So who knows what to believe here. Either way, it sure seems like Detroit did not do a great job vetting out their draft pick.

[kellmellus50]

My biggest gripes with Langdon thus far:

1) The Hardaway trade. As I've already been on record numerous times, I don't like that move. However, the most upsetting part of it was the timing of it. I'll never understand what the need was to make that move a couple days before free agency opened. Subsequent events, only made that move look worse and worse.

2) The Bickerstaff hire. This was about as un-inspiring of a hire as there could have been. Just another ho-hum retread that Detroit is trying to scavenge fresh off another team's dumpster pile. This entire coaching situation for Detroit just seems incredibly narrow minded and short changed. Reports were that Langdon was ok with keeping Monty (for now anyways) and Gores made the call to fire him. Then, they cast a super shallow net in their coaching search. I still have yet to hear anything legitimate that says that they formally interviewed someone other than Bickerstaff. Only interviewing 1 person, would be an incredibly short sighted approach.

3) Not really a gripe here, at least not without all the information. But I sure would like to know what offers were on the table to move back from #5 on draft night. I was on record stating that I preferred to move back before the draft. Would be quite interested to what the actual offers were. But we'll probably never know.

Honorable mention) There were reports saying that Ron Holland had no contact with Detroit before getting drafted. Later it was mentioned that Langdon said he did talk with Holland pre-draft. So who knows what to believe here. Either way, it sure seems like Detroit did not do a great job vetting out their draft pick.

With what he's done they will at least double there win total from last year ,whats to complain about be happy.

[bstein14]

My biggest gripes with Langdon thus far:

1) The Hardaway trade. As I've already been on record numerous times, I don't like that move. However, the most upsetting part of it was the timing of it. I'll never understand what the need was to make that move a couple days before free agency opened. Subsequent events, only made that move look worse and worse.

2) The Bickerstaff hire. This was about as un-inspiring of a hire as there could have been. Just another ho-hum retread that Detroit is trying to scavenge fresh off another team's dumpster pile. This entire coaching situation for Detroit just seems incredibly narrow minded and short changed. Reports were that Langdon was ok with keeping Monty (for now anyways) and Gores made the call to fire him. Then, they cast a super shallow net in their coaching search. I still have yet to hear anything legitimate that says that they formally interviewed someone other than Bickerstaff. Only interviewing 1 person, would be an incredibly short sighted approach.

3) Not really a gripe here, at least not without all the information. But I sure would like to know what offers were on the table to move back from #5 on draft night. I was on record stating that I preferred to move back before the draft. Would be quite interested to see what the actual offers were. But we'll probably never know.

Honorable mention) There were reports saying that Ron Holland had no contact with Detroit before getting drafted. Later it was mentioned that Langdon said he did talk with Holland pre-draft. So who knows what to believe here. Either way, it sure seems like Detroit did not do a great job vetting out their draft pick.

Holland did not come to Detroit for a workout and his agent didn't want him to go to Detroit for a working from the sounds of it. Langdon mentioned it was hard to get several players to come work out for Detroit multiple agents declined.

He did get to talk with him briefly and watch him during the draft combine which was held from May 12th to May 19th. At that point in time he was still a member of the New Orleans Pelicans staff.

[MortSahlfan]

I want to keep Stew and Ausar. I still think Duren could be a very good player.

I do want to see more than just a couple of more wins next year.

[uncleoswald]

Showtime for Cade (and the rest of the young core). I've listened all offseason as people have told me what a superstar Cade is going to be, now that he finally has a coach who isn't Monty and a supporting cast that can fill the bucket. If the core four doesn't improve ... looking at you, Ivey ... or can't stay healthy ... looking at you, Duren ... I'd hope they are shipped out ASAP and we can salvage a little bit of value for them.

Too bad TL didn't (or wasn't able to) use most of the cap space to absorb more bad contracts and picks. That would have helped with the contingency plan.

Of course, there is no contingency plan if Cade isn't a true, two-way superstar (or can't stay healthy). That contract, given a year earlier than technically needed, just becomes an albatross.

There is more risk to TL's offseason moves than what appears on the surface.

[thesack12]

My biggest gripes with Langdon thus far:

1) The Hardaway trade. As I've already been on record numerous times, I don't like that move. However, the most upsetting part of it was the timing of it. I'll never understand what the need was to make that move a couple days before free agency opened. Subsequent events, only made that move look worse and worse.

2) The Bickerstaff hire. This was about as un-inspiring of a hire as there could have been. Just another ho-hum retread that Detroit is trying to scavenge fresh off another team's dumpster pile. This entire coaching situation for Detroit just seems incredibly narrow minded and short changed. Reports were that Langdon was ok with keeping Monty (for now anyways) and Gores made the call to fire him. Then, they cast a super shallow net in their coaching search. I still have yet to hear anything legitimate that says that they formally interviewed someone other than Bickerstaff. Only interviewing 1 person, would be an incredibly short sighted approach.

3) Not really a gripe here, at least not without all the information. But I sure would like to know what offers were on the table to move back from #5 on draft night. I was on record stating that I preferred to move back before the draft. Would be quite interested to see what the actual offers were. But we'll probably never know.

Honorable mention) There were reports saying that Ron Holland had no contact with Detroit before getting drafted. Later it was mentioned that Langdon said he did talk with Holland pre-draft. So who knows what to believe here. Either way, it sure seems like Detroit did not do a great job vetting out their draft pick.

Holland did not come to Detroit for a workout and his agent didn't want him to go to Detroit for a working from the sounds of it. Langdon mentioned it was hard to get several players to come work out for Detroit multiple agents declined.

He did get to talk with him briefly and watch him during the draft combine which was held from May 12th to May 19th. At that point in time he was still a member of the New Orleans Pelicans staff.

Ahh, that makes sense. Explains why Holland said he had not contact with Detroit, yet Langdon said he spoke with him.

Still, having a less than ideal vetting out process with Holland would lead credence to making it more sensible to trade down. However, as mentioned we don't know what offers were on the table.

[bstein14]

We would have been better off overall if Weaver got fired sometime before the trade deadline and then we might have actually had a chance to have TL in for the draft combine process representing Detroit instead of with the Pelicans.

[JennetteMcCurdy]

My biggest gripes with Langdon thus far:

1) The Hardaway trade. As I've already been on record numerous times, I don't like that move. However, the most upsetting part of it was the timing of it. I'll never understand what the need was to make that move a couple days before free agency opened. Subsequent events, only made that move look worse and worse.

2) The Bickerstaff hire. This was about as un-inspiring of a hire as there could have been. Just another ho-hum retread that Detroit is trying to scavenge fresh off another team's dumpster pile. This entire coaching situation for Detroit just seems incredibly narrow minded and short changed. Reports were that Langdon was ok with keeping Monty (for now anyways) and Gores made the call to fire him. Then, they cast a super shallow net in their coaching search. I still have yet to hear anything legitimate that says that they formally interviewed someone other than Bickerstaff. Only interviewing 1 person, would be an incredibly short sighted approach.

3) Not really a gripe here, at least not without all the information. But I sure would like to know what offers were on the table to move back from #5 on draft night. I was on record stating that I preferred to move back before the draft. Would be quite interested to see what the actual offers were. But we'll probably never know.

Honorable mention) There were reports saying that Ron Holland had no contact with Detroit before getting drafted. Later it was mentioned that Langdon said he did talk with Holland pre-draft. So who knows what to believe here. Either way, it sure seems like Detroit did not do a great job vetting out their draft pick.

Holland did not come to Detroit for a workout and his agent didn't want him to go to Detroit for a working from the sounds of it. Langdon mentioned it was hard to get several players to come work out for Detroit multiple agents declined.

He did get to talk with him briefly and watch him during the draft combine which was held from May 12th to May 19th. At that point in time he was still a member of the New Orleans Pelicans staff.

That smells like a great hidden camera moment.

[JennetteMcCurdy]

My biggest gripes with Langdon thus far:

1) The Hardaway trade. As I've already been on record numerous times, I don't like that move. However, the most upsetting part of it was the timing of it. I'll never understand what the need was to make that move a couple days before free agency opened. Subsequent events, only made that move look worse and worse.

2) The Bickerstaff hire. This was about as un-inspiring of a hire as there could have been. Just another ho-hum retread that Detroit is trying to scavenge fresh off another team's dumpster pile. This entire coaching situation for Detroit just seems incredibly narrow minded and short changed. Reports were that Langdon was ok with keeping Monty (for now anyways) and Gores made the call to fire him. Then, they cast a super shallow net in their coaching search. I still have yet to hear anything legitimate that says that they formally interviewed someone other than Bickerstaff. Only interviewing 1 person, would be an incredibly short sighted approach.

3) Not really a gripe here, at least not without all the information. But I sure would like to know what offers were on the table to move back from #5 on draft night. I was on record stating that I preferred to move back before the draft. Would be quite interested to what the actual offers were. But we'll probably never know.

Honorable mention) There were reports saying that Ron Holland had no contact with Detroit before getting drafted. Later it was mentioned that Langdon said he did talk with Holland pre-draft. So who knows what to believe here. Either way, it sure seems like Detroit did not do a great job vetting out their draft pick.

With what he's done they will at least double there win total from last year ,whats to complain about be happy.

Doubling the win total likely gets us the eighth or ninth pick in next year’s loaded draft. I feel like there are two distinct routes he could have gone, but he’s hedging in between them. And that puts us in the 8-10 drafting range that we were in for most of the decade prior to Weaver…….

[Snakebites]

I think I'd rate his overall offseason as "fine". He made attempts to address some key issues and brought in players with skills we need. He didn't do anything groundbreaking though.

Given where the bar was set last offseason (where we decided to make virtually no improvements on a 17 win team) it looks spectacular.