Trades and Transactions thread cont - we still need a center

[stuporman]

Who exactly is going to give Randle a max contract if he goes to FA? I have a hard time figuring out which team is eager to pay him $50mil per year after he's 30 years old. I'm pretty sure even the Knicks don't want to. If people wouldn't want to pay KAT that money what makes you think there are teams ready to pay Randle it?

Explain to me which team is going to pay him like a number one option in this cap climate and think he is the piece that makes them a title contender? I'll wait...

if PG got 50m/yr at 35


why the **** wont randle get a 5-250m deal?

So which team will it be? That is my question you didn't answer.

[stuporman]

thats a very fair question. And something I'm sure the front office is wondering...but would you put your future flexibility on the line with that assumption....all it takes is one team.

Paying a +30 year old Randle $300mil/5 years does what exactly to improve future flexibility? Apparently, you want that one team to be the Knicks.

I don't want to pay Randle that money at all. Do you know me?

I'm just saying if Randle is not going to agree to the extension this summer just assuming no team is going to offer him a big pay day the following year after he opts out would be bad management...you know what they say about assuming.

I'm not assuming anything, you are assuming Randle will get paid the max contract by someone, I'm asking who is that team? Still left answered...

[dukeknicksirish]

its been about a week now since the Mikal deal was agreed to with the other pieces to not hard cap us at the 1st apron. Something is def up whatever it is. Knicks wouldn't be just negotiating for example with Precious for an entire week. That **** would have been locked up by now.

Then you had in these other subtle hints. Also Bertans interest now makes more sense if we do lose a 2 for 1 type thing with Mitch+Randle.

Who knows whats going on but something is...

Yes these moves (or lack of) are what have peeked my curiosity about finalizing this roster. These should be done if we are done.

Ju already took a pay cut, and I salute him for that, so I can fault him if he wouldn’t want to take a cut. He already did us that favor once, can’t expect him to do that once more.

If we do want KAT, they don’t need Mitch, so who is the other team and what do we get back? Julius is better than KAT, let alone the 2 other players we would need to include.

If we do want Sengun, they don’t need Ju with Jabari on the roster, so who would be the 3rd team and who else would we get back? Julius being from Texas/the desire to compete faster in HOU makes sense, but we would need more back in a Sengun-Randle swap. Do we/can we get involved with Grant from PXD coming back as well? Does that financially work? Brunson/Mikal/OG/Grant/Sengun

[sol537]

From the moment we drafted the French kid, I felt we did it because we had some kind of knowledge that another team wanted him and were planning on using him for trade bait. Now, we find out Utah liked him. And we also find out we are interested in Kessler. The FO had to have an idea about iHart for a while, especially since we’ve made deals with OKC a lot, and even this season. We had to have asked.

I’d rather wait a few weeks and trade the kid along with Sims and a pick or two (Washington & Detroit) for Kessler than trade Deuce for Richards. It’s a lot, but it’s the better deal and we maintain our depth.

Jalen / Deuce / Kolek
Mikal / Donte
OG / Hart
Julius / KBD
Mitch / Kessler / Huk

Dadiet plus the two protected 1sts we have (WAS 1st, DET 1st) for Kessler seems to be ample compensation. I don't think Ainge would find a better package out there right now and if he waits much longer, Kessler may raise a stink and the value goes down even further and CAA sours on UTAH as a destination. This seems like the most sensible "final" move... then Precious can be retained or he can be sent out in a S&T to a rebuilding team for some second rounders or something.

[Context]

its been about a week now since the Mikal deal was agreed to with the other pieces to not hard cap us at the 1st apron. Something is def up whatever it is. Knicks wouldn't be just negotiating for example with Precious for an entire week. That **** would have been locked up by now.

Then you had in these other subtle hints. Also Bertans interest now makes more sense if we do lose a 2 for 1 type thing with Mitch+Randle.

Who knows whats going on but something is...

Yes these moves (or lack of) are what have peeked my curiosity about finalizing this roster. These should be done if we are done.

Ju already took a pay cut, and I salute him for that, so I can fault him if he wouldn’t want to take a cut. He already did us that favor once, can’t expect him to do that once more.

If we do want KAT, they don’t need Mitch, so who is the other team and what do we get back? Julius is better than KAT, let alone the 2 other players we would need to include.

If we do want Sengun, they don’t need Ju with Jabari on the roster, so who would be the 3rd team and who else would we get back? Julius being from Texas/the desire to compete faster in HOU makes sense, but we would need more back in a Sengun-Randle swap. Do we/can we get involved with Grant from PXD coming back as well? Does that financially work? Brunson/Mikal/OG/Grant/Sengun

Segun cant play defense...

[mpharris36]

Paying a +30 year old Randle $300mil/5 years does what exactly to improve future flexibility? Apparently, you want that one team to be the Knicks.

I don't want to pay Randle that money at all. Do you know me?

I'm just saying if Randle is not going to agree to the extension this summer just assuming no team is going to offer him a big pay day the following year after he opts out would be bad management...you know what they say about assuming.

I'm not assuming anything, you are assuming Randle will get paid the max contract by someone, I'm asking who is that team? Still left answered...

That would be speculation but what about Houston? They have a 44 MM option on FVV which they could decline and instead give that to a Texas kid like Randle. Also SAS spurs will continue to have cap space as well...Wemby with Randle makes sense. But I have no clue just like no one probably projected PG leaving the west coast to Philly before this offseason.

I don't know what point you are trying to prove. It doesn't even need to be the max max. I don't think the knicks want to pay Randle 5/300 regardless.

Are you saying that you are comfortable going in Randle FA year because you just don't think he will have any worthwhile offers and then he will just have to settle and come back to us at our price?

[spree8]

Paying a +30 year old Randle $300mil/5 years does what exactly to improve future flexibility? Apparently, you want that one team to be the Knicks.

I don't want to pay Randle that money at all. Do you know me?

I'm just saying if Randle is not going to agree to the extension this summer just assuming no team is going to offer him a big pay day the following year after he opts out would be bad management...you know what they say about assuming.

I'm not assuming anything, you are assuming Randle will get paid the max contract by someone, I'm asking who is that team? Still left answered...

Houston could

[knicksNOTslick]

From the moment we drafted the French kid, I felt we did it because we had some kind of knowledge that another team wanted him and were planning on using him for trade bait. Now, we find out Utah liked him. And we also find out we are interested in Kessler. The FO had to have an idea about iHart for a while, especially since we’ve made deals with OKC a lot, and even this season. We had to have asked.

I’d rather wait a few weeks and trade the kid along with Sims and a pick or two (Washington & Detroit) for Kessler than trade Deuce for Richards. It’s a lot, but it’s the better deal and we maintain our depth.

Jalen / Deuce / Kolek
Mikal / Donte
OG / Hart
Julius / KBD
Mitch / Kessler / Huk

Diadet plus the two protected 1sts we have (WAS 1st, DET 1st) for Kessler seems to be ample compensation. I don't think Ainge would find a better package out there right now and if he waits much longer, Kessler may raise a stink and the value goes down even further and CAA sours on UTAH as a destination. This seems like the most sensible "final" move... then Precious can be retained or he can be sent out in a S&T to a rebuilding team for some second rounders or something.

You are essentially fine with us trading 3 1sts for Kessler. Ainge is looking for dumb front offices to cave in to his demands. You set your price and stay patient. If Kessler is too expensive then you don't get him. He's not a player you have to have. The 2 protected 1sts from Washington and Detroit should be enough.

[mpharris36]

From the moment we drafted the French kid, I felt we did it because we had some kind of knowledge that another team wanted him and were planning on using him for trade bait. Now, we find out Utah liked him. And we also find out we are interested in Kessler. The FO had to have an idea about iHart for a while, especially since we’ve made deals with OKC a lot, and even this season. We had to have asked.

I’d rather wait a few weeks and trade the kid along with Sims and a pick or two (Washington & Detroit) for Kessler than trade Deuce for Richards. It’s a lot, but it’s the better deal and we maintain our depth.

Jalen / Deuce / Kolek
Mikal / Donte
OG / Hart
Julius / KBD
Mitch / Kessler / Huk

Diadet plus the two protected 1sts we have (WAS 1st, DET 1st) for Kessler seems to be ample compensation. I don't think Ainge would find a better package out there right now and if he waits much longer, Kessler may raise a stink and the value goes down even further and CAA sours on UTAH as a destination. This seems like the most sensible "final" move... then Precious can be retained or he can be sent out in a S&T to a rebuilding team for some second rounders or something.

You are essentially fine with us trading 3 1sts for Kessler. Ainge is looking for dumb front offices to cave in to his demands. You set your price and stay patient. If Kessler is too expensive then you don't get him. He's not a player you have to have. The 2 protected 1sts from Washington and Detroit should be enough.

those firsts still will take a lot to convey...most don't see those as firsts though.

[Meat]

Who exactly is going to give Randle a max contract if he goes to FA? I have a hard time figuring out which team is eager to pay him $50mil per year after he's 30 years old. I'm pretty sure even the Knicks don't want to.

Explain to me which team is going to pay him like a number one option in this cap climate and think he is the piece that makes them a title contender? I'll wait...

thats a very fair question. And something I'm sure the front office is wondering...but would you put your future flexibility on the line with that assumption....all it takes is one team.

Paying a +30 year old Randle $300mil/5 years does what exactly to improve future flexibility? Apparently, you want that one team to be the Knicks.

how do you replace his production then? on a team playing bridges, og and bunson max\near max

[aggo]

Kat fixes all these arguments


Go get kat.

[stuporman]

I don't want to pay Randle that money at all. Do you know me?

I'm just saying if Randle is not going to agree to the extension this summer just assuming no team is going to offer him a big pay day the following year after he opts out would be bad management...you know what they say about assuming.

I'm not assuming anything, you are assuming Randle will get paid the max contract by someone, I'm asking who is that team? Still left answered...

That would be speculation but what about Houston? They have a 44 MM option on FVV which they could decline and instead give that to a Texas kid like Randle. Also SAS spurs will continue to have cap space as well...Wemby with Randle makes sense. But I have no clue just like no one probably projected PG leaving the west coast to Philly before this offseason.

I don't know what point you are trying to prove. It doesn't even need to be the max max. I don't think the knicks want to pay Randle 5/300 regardless.

Are you saying that you are comfortable going in Randle FA year because you just don't think he will have any worthwhile offers and then he will just have to settle and come back to us at our price?

Absolutely no way SAS is going to pay Randle that much money to take the ball out of Wemby's hands, that's silly. I guess Houston might be stupid enough to pay Randle that much money to be a treadmill team, let them.

I sure don't want the Knicks to do it, he'd have to show something this season that he's not shown yet to make me think it would be worth it to. Don't mention the dozen or so games last January, it would need it to be games in May/June to show it.

If Randle doesn't want to extend for something more reasonable then I don't want the Knicks to pay that max money.

[spree8]

From the moment we drafted the French kid, I felt we did it because we had some kind of knowledge that another team wanted him and were planning on using him for trade bait. Now, we find out Utah liked him. And we also find out we are interested in Kessler. The FO had to have an idea about iHart for a while, especially since we’ve made deals with OKC a lot, and even this season. We had to have asked.

I’d rather wait a few weeks and trade the kid along with Sims and a pick or two (Washington & Detroit) for Kessler than trade Deuce for Richards. It’s a lot, but it’s the better deal and we maintain our depth.

Jalen / Deuce / Kolek
Mikal / Donte
OG / Hart
Julius / KBD
Mitch / Kessler / Huk

Diadet plus the two protected 1sts we have (WAS 1st, DET 1st) for Kessler seems to be ample compensation. I don't think Ainge would find a better package out there right now and if he waits much longer, Kessler may raise a stink and the value goes down even further and CAA sours on UTAH as a destination. This seems like the most sensible "final" move... then Precious can be retained or he can be sent out in a S&T to a rebuilding team for some second rounders or something.

You are essentially fine with us trading 3 1sts for Kessler. Ainge is looking for dumb front offices to cave in to his demands. You set your price and stay patient. If Kessler is too expensive then you don't get him. He's not a player you have to have. The 2 protected 1sts from Washington and Detroit should be enough.

I dunno man, the flip side could be that those picks are likely 2nd rounders and this kid was drafted in the late first round of a weak draft.

Given our current situation (kinda desperate), I’d just make the deal and move on. Mitch and Kessler (who we should’ve drafted ourselves to begin with), is very formidable and if/when Mitch goes down, we’ve got Huk in the G-League hopefully ready to be called up n fill in. Maybe even Precious gets brought back too. Much better situation to be in while we’re trying to win a title right now. Ainge is a SOB with time on his side, not smart to play chicken, just give him this and have the last laugh when we win it all.

[stuporman]

I don't want to pay Randle that money at all. Do you know me?

I'm just saying if Randle is not going to agree to the extension this summer just assuming no team is going to offer him a big pay day the following year after he opts out would be bad management...you know what they say about assuming.

I'm not assuming anything, you are assuming Randle will get paid the max contract by someone, I'm asking who is that team? Still left answered...

Houston could be that stupid

Fixed it for you.

[sol537]

Diadet plus the two protected 1sts we have (WAS 1st, DET 1st) for Kessler seems to be ample compensation. I don't think Ainge would find a better package out there right now and if he waits much longer, Kessler may raise a stink and the value goes down even further and CAA sours on UTAH as a destination. This seems like the most sensible "final" move... then Precious can be retained or he can be sent out in a S&T to a rebuilding team for some second rounders or something.

You are essentially fine with us trading 3 1sts for Kessler. Ainge is looking for dumb front offices to cave in to his demands. You set your price and stay patient. If Kessler is too expensive then you don't get him. He's not a player you have to have. The 2 protected 1sts from Washington and Detroit should be enough.

I dunno man, the flip side could be that those picks are likely 2nd rounders and this kid was drafted in the late first round of a weak draft.

Given our current situation (kinda desperate), I’d just make the deal and move on. Mitch and Kessler (who we should’ve drafted ourselves to begin with), is very formidable and if/when Mitch goes down, we’ve got Huk in the G-League hopefully ready to be called up n fill in. Maybe even Precious gets brought back too. Much better situation to be in while we’re trying to win a title right now. Ainge is a SOB with time on his side, not smart to play chicken, just give him this and have the last laugh when we win it all.

It's a win-win trade which is the sort that Leon and co. have been doing since they got here. I can't see any other team giving up more than that at this point. Maybe something comparable, at best. CAA can apply the final bit of pressure on Ainge to seal the deal and the fans walk away with the hope of Cooper Flag and draft picks. The coach doesn't seem to want to play Kessler anyway.

[thebuzzardman]

Kat fixes all these arguments


Go get kat.

And starts new rounds of arguments

Go get kat

[DaGawd]

i want sengun now.. go get him

[spree8]

KAT while intriguing on paper, scares me. Kinda high risk high reward type, but I’d say the risk is greater. I’m kinda leaning staying pat and gunning for Kessler. A radical change could backfire. If it ain’t broke…

[FrozenEnvelope]

So Ainge wants 3 firsts for Kessler?

Watch Kessler get traded somewhere else for a 2nd in 2045.

[mpharris36]

I'm not assuming anything, you are assuming Randle will get paid the max contract by someone, I'm asking who is that team? Still left answered...

That would be speculation but what about Houston? They have a 44 MM option on FVV which they could decline and instead give that to a Texas kid like Randle. Also SAS spurs will continue to have cap space as well...Wemby with Randle makes sense. But I have no clue just like no one probably projected PG leaving the west coast to Philly before this offseason.

I don't know what point you are trying to prove. It doesn't even need to be the max max. I don't think the knicks want to pay Randle 5/300 regardless.

Are you saying that you are comfortable going in Randle FA year because you just don't think he will have any worthwhile offers and then he will just have to settle and come back to us at our price?

Absolutely no way SAS is going to pay Randle that much money to take the ball out of Wemby's hands, that's silly. I guess Houston might be stupid enough to pay Randle that much money to be a treadmill team, let them.

I sure don't want the Knicks to do it, he'd have to show something this season that he's not shown yet to make me think it would be worth it to. Don't mention the dozen or so games last January, it would need it to be games in May/June to show it.

If Randle doesn't want to extend for something more reasonable then I don't want the Knicks to pay that max money.

Which is basically where these KAT rumors are coming from....