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Appreciation Thread, Anton Watson (Boston/Maine) – (Waived March 2, 2025)

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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#161 » by Homerclease » Tue Jul 9, 2024 12:30 am

sam_I_am wrote:Here is the list of players drafted 40 or later since Wyc and co. bought the team:

Anton Watson (54)
JD Davison (53)
Juhann Begarin(45)
Yam Madar(47)
Tremont Waters(51)
Kadeem Allen(53)
Jabari Bird(56)
Demetrius Jackson(45)
Ben Bentil(51)
Abdel Nader(58)
Marcus Thornton(45)
Kris Joseph(51)
E’twaun Moore (55)
Luke Harangody(52)
Lester Hudson(58)
Semih Erden(60)
Ryan Gomes(50)
Justin Reed(40)
Brandon Hunter(56)


Out of those 20 picks …. I would estimate that 15 were solid and ended up better than draft position but only 2 ever really contributed to Celtics - Ryan Gomes and E’twaun Moore.

I think Watson has a great all around game and is long and strong so I hope he breaks the mold like Ryan Gomes did. It’s just realistic that it’s such a long shot to happen.

Effing Jabari Bird. Kid was gonna be a player for this team until he turned into a pile of human garbage
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#162 » by Scoonie » Tue Jul 9, 2024 12:49 am

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sam_I_am wrote:Here is the list of players drafted 40 or later since Wyc and co. bought the team:

Anton Watson (54)
JD Davison (53)
Juhann Begarin(45)
Yam Madar(47)
Tremont Waters(51)
Kadeem Allen(53)
Jabari Bird(56)
Demetrius Jackson(45)
Ben Bentil(51)
Abdel Nader(58)
Marcus Thornton(45)
Kris Joseph(51)
E’twaun Moore (55)
Luke Harangody(52)
Lester Hudson(58)
Semih Erden(60)
Ryan Gomes(50)
Justin Reed(40)
Brandon Hunter(56)


Out of those 20 picks …. I would estimate that 15 were solid and ended up better than draft position but only 2 ever really contributed to Celtics - Ryan Gomes and E’twaun Moore.

I think Watson has a great all around game and is long and strong so I hope he breaks the mold like Ryan Gomes did. It’s just realistic that it’s such a long shot to happen.

Effing Jabari Bird. Kid was gonna be a player for this team until he turned into a pile of human garbage


He was really fun to watch and probably would've ended up being a rotation player. He's actually back to playing professional basketball, played in Mexico last year and is signed to play in Indonesia this coming season.
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#163 » by Hal14 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:27 am

Fierce1 wrote:Drew Peterson and JD Davison got the 2 2-way contracts available for each team.

If we're going to see Watson play for the Cs this coming season, he has to be the 15th man.

NBA teams get 3 2-way spots now - that started last season...
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#164 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:33 am

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Fierce1 wrote:Drew Peterson and JD Davison got the 2 2-way contracts available for each team.

If we're going to see Watson play for the Cs this coming season, he has to be the 15th man.

NBA teams get 3 2-way spots now - that started last season...

Yeah, I missed that one.

Still have the old CBA file.
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#165 » by sam_I_am » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:50 am

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sam_I_am wrote:Here is the list of players drafted 40 or later since Wyc and co. bought the team:

Anton Watson (54)
JD Davison (53)
Juhann Begarin(45)
Yam Madar(47)
Tremont Waters(51)
Kadeem Allen(53)
Jabari Bird(56)
Demetrius Jackson(45)
Ben Bentil(51)
Abdel Nader(58)
Marcus Thornton(45)
Kris Joseph(51)
E’twaun Moore (55)
Luke Harangody(52)
Lester Hudson(58)
Semih Erden(60)
Ryan Gomes(50)
Justin Reed(40)
Brandon Hunter(56)


Out of those 20 picks …. I would estimate that 15 were solid and ended up better than draft position but only 2 ever really contributed to Celtics - Ryan Gomes and E’twaun Moore.

I think Watson has a great all around game and is long and strong so I hope he breaks the mold like Ryan Gomes did. It’s just realistic that it’s such a long shot to happen.

You know, I actually haven't seen him sign a Contract. Hal mentioned that, too.
He might end up being a Stash.


That’s interesting. I remember when Ainge first took over he drafted a stocky slow footer center out of college and stashed him after summer league- I forget where he played for a year - but he never came back. Maybe it was Taylor Coppenwrath?
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#166 » by Shak_Celts » Tue Jul 9, 2024 5:23 am

sam_I_am wrote:Here is the list of players drafted 40 or later since Wyc and co. bought the team:

Anton Watson (54)
JD Davison (53)
Juhann Begarin(45)
Yam Madar(47)
Tremont Waters(51)
Kadeem Allen(53)
Jabari Bird(56)
Demetrius Jackson(45)
Ben Bentil(51)
Abdel Nader(58)
Marcus Thornton(45)
Kris Joseph(51)
E’twaun Moore (55)
Luke Harangody(52)
Lester Hudson(58)
Semih Erden(60)
Ryan Gomes(50)
Justin Reed(40)
Brandon Hunter(56)


Out of those 20 picks …. I would estimate that 15 were solid and ended up better than draft position but only 2 ever really contributed to Celtics - Ryan Gomes and E’twaun Moore.

I think Watson has a great all around game and is long and strong so I hope he breaks the mold like Ryan Gomes did. It’s just realistic that it’s such a long shot to happen.


When I tell you I drink the kool-aide every season, I mean it! I thought every last one of them was a steal!! Only one name I don’t recognize, Hudson. Thought everybody was going to be a good bench role player, at least. Good and bad times, never found a jokic/draymond steal. :lol:
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Post#167 » by sam_I_am » Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:46 pm

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sam_I_am wrote:Here is the list of players drafted 40 or later since Wyc and co. bought the team:

Anton Watson (54)
JD Davison (53)
Juhann Begarin(45)
Yam Madar(47)
Tremont Waters(51)
Kadeem Allen(53)
Jabari Bird(56)
Demetrius Jackson(45)
Ben Bentil(51)
Abdel Nader(58)
Marcus Thornton(45)
Kris Joseph(51)
E’twaun Moore (55)
Luke Harangody(52)
Lester Hudson(58)
Semih Erden(60)
Ryan Gomes(50)
Justin Reed(40)
Brandon Hunter(56)


Out of those 20 picks …. I would estimate that 15 were solid and ended up better than draft position but only 2 ever really contributed to Celtics - Ryan Gomes and E’twaun Moore.

I think Watson has a great all around game and is long and strong so I hope he breaks the mold like Ryan Gomes did. It’s just realistic that it’s such a long shot to happen.


When I tell you I drink the kool-aide every season, I mean it! I thought every last one of them was a steal!! Only one name I don’t recognize, Hudson. Thought everybody was going to be a good bench role player, at least. Good and bad times, never found a jokic/draymond steal. :lol:


I thought Lester Hudson was the next IT …. even before IT came along. I too drink the kool-aid. I do think most of those guys actually were good picks for where they were drafted and showed promise. It’s just that there is so much competition.

FWIW, I am higher on Watson than I was on anyone else on that list besides Semi Erden who I was convinced would be a steal.
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Re: Welcome to Boston/Maine, Anton Watson 

Post#168 » by Hal14 » Tue Jul 9, 2024 9:52 pm

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Post#169 » by Homerclease » Tue Jul 9, 2024 11:36 pm

It definitely feels like they are giving Watson a shot to earn the 15th spot on the roster. He’s gonna have to hit the three ball consistently during the SL to do it. No pressure kid lol
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Post#170 » by Shak_Celts » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:56 am

Anton may not hit this season but he’s going to be a top notch bench guy one day! Book it! (Let the other books go that I called :lol:)
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Post#171 » by cl2117 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:06 am

165bows wrote:One other thing I've found it's a pretty good tell to just lean into what Brad says, dude has been pretty good lol. Eg back in the great Kornet/Cabin Jelly debate of 2022, people were all about Jelly based on what he was doing in SL.

Meanwhile, Brad was pumping Kornet and giving him (not Cabin Jelly) the real contract so it made it pretty easy to sit that one out of SL fever on Jelly.

Similar vein, I assume JRE is still there for the taking so I think Brad between his words and actions, Brad is a good bit higher on Watson than JRE and I'll just take that to the internet bank if you know what I mean. :guitar:

For the record I definitely was someone who was ready for his Jelly rather than Kornet, but sadly the NBA was not.

I trust Brad like I trusted peak Belichick, so I'm 100% on board.
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Post#172 » by cloverleaf » Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:19 pm

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165bows wrote:One other thing I've found it's a pretty good tell to just lean into what Brad says, dude has been pretty good lol. Eg back in the great Kornet/Cabin Jelly debate of 2022, people were all about Jelly based on what he was doing in SL.

Meanwhile, Brad was pumping Kornet and giving him (not Cabin Jelly) the real contract so it made it pretty easy to sit that one out of SL fever on Jelly.

Similar vein, I assume JRE is still there for the taking so I think Brad between his words and actions, Brad is a good bit higher on Watson than JRE and I'll just take that to the internet bank if you know what I mean. :guitar:

For the record I definitely was someone who was ready for his Jelly rather than Kornet, but sadly the NBA was not.

I trust Brad like I trusted peak Belichick, so I'm 100% on board.


We do seem to have reached peak Brad.
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Post#173 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:30 pm

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Post#174 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:22 pm

It seems he's got some fans for real. If the defense translates and the shot comes along, I actually think there could be an opportunity for him to earn regular minutes as a rookie. His skill set at the 4 actually fills a role on the roster that isn't really accounted for.

We know Porzingis is out early in the year. They'll still rest Horford a lot even during that stretch. Tillman isn't exactly an iron man over his career. Those 3 are more 5s than 4s but we do play double big for stretches. Horford or Tillman are the only bigs we have that can play the 4. Horford obviously can't do that if he's out. And Tillman isn't offensively viable in that role unless it's next to a stretch 5 like Horford/Porzingis. There's 10-15 minutes a night at PF to fill behind Tatum and he's got the best body for it in games where 2 big lineups aren't viable due to the availability of Porzingis/Horford/Tillman.

Trayce Jackson-Davis was drafted in the same spot and was playing big minutes for GSW to end last year. Maybe Watson could do the same during the regular season. The shot has to come along and the defense has to translate. The 4 has arguably the most diverse set of demands for any position on the court, so it's tough. I'm rooting for him though because it could be a nice boost for the rotation if he can fill some time.
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Post#175 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:30 pm

Anton Watson's shot will develop over time, his defense will determine if he sticks around or is gone in a relatively short period of time. Celtics drafted him as a 3 and D guy that can switch on to multiple positions. Defense will be how he sticks around.
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Post#176 » by cl2117 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:42 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Anton Watson's shot will develop over time, his defense will determine if he sticks around or is gone in a relatively short period of time. Celtics drafted him as a 3 and D guy that can switch on to multiple positions. Defense will be how he sticks around.

I don't know about his shot. His free throw shooting is his biggest red flag. 63% from the line through college, peaked at 70% and finished last year at 65%. How a guy shoots from the line is generally a decent barometer for how well his shot will develop and that's not a great sign.

I agree that defense will be how he sticks around though. So even if the shot doesn't develop he could still carve out a niche as a guy who can add value by guarding multiple positions and making hustle plays.
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Post#177 » by cloverleaf » Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:46 pm

cl2117 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Anton Watson's shot will develop over time, his defense will determine if he sticks around or is gone in a relatively short period of time. Celtics drafted him as a 3 and D guy that can switch on to multiple positions. Defense will be how he sticks around.

I don't know about his shot. His free throw shooting is his biggest red flag. 63% from the line through college, peaked at 70% and finished last year at 65%. How a guy shoots from the line is generally a decent barometer for how well his shot will develop and that's not a great sign.

I agree that defense will be how he sticks around though. So even if the shot doesn't develop he could still carve out a niche as a guy who can add value by guarding multiple positions and making hustle plays.


The C's wouldn't be so confident in his 3 if they hadn't had him in shooting it before the draft--and really dug in deep otherwise.
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Post#178 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:22 pm

cl2117 wrote:I don't know about his shot. His free throw shooting is his biggest red flag. 63% from the line through college, peaked at 70% and finished last year at 65%. How a guy shoots from the line is generally a decent barometer for how well his shot will develop and that's not a great sign.

It's true that FT% is often a good indicator of shooting projection. But it's not a be all, end all indicator. There's exceptions - like with anything.

Here's some of those exceptions - listed are their FT% during the season prior to being drafted:
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There's also Harrison Ingram, who many on here wanted us to draft this year..shot well from 3 last season in college (and hit a few 3's the other day in SL for the Spurs) but was a poor FT shooting during his 3 college seasons, including 61.2% FT last season.

Shooting a FT is much different than shooting a 3. Some guys might shoot better during live action (as opposed do when play is stopped during a FT), when contested or when a defender is coming to close out on them...some guys might hit 80% FT because they shoot better with more time, no defenders around, and from only 15 FT away but shoot worse with defenders, less time and from 23 feet away..

With that being said, when you combine the low FT% and the low volume of 3PA (and only 1 of his 5 college seasons with a good 3 FG%), there is some reason for concern. I don't think anyone is calling him an elite shooter or saying that it's a guarantee he will shoot well in the NBA.

But there is some reasons for optimism:
-High 3 FG% last season
-3 FG% and 3PA/game both went up in each of his 5 college seasons
-Mechanics look pretty clean on his 3 ball
-Seems like a very hard worker
-Both Brad and DJ Macleay have said to the media thbat they think he's a better shooter than people think

cl2117 wrote:I agree that defense will be how he sticks around though. So even if the shot doesn't develop he could still carve out a niche as a guy who can add value by guarding multiple positions and making hustle plays.

Agreed.
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Post#179 » by BK_2020 » Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:37 pm

If he made 5 fewer threes his percentage drops to low 30s from low 40s. Dude shot 50 threes all of last season.
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Post#180 » by cloverleaf » Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:31 pm

BK_2020 wrote:If he made 5 fewer threes his percentage drops to low 30s from low 40s. Dude shot 50 threes all of last season.


And 5 more would put him in the low 50s.

But yeah, small sample size.

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