OT: NFL 24-25 Offseason Thread - Draft Day is upon us

[GONYK]

fascinating episode 2

Looks like trading up to #3 was something the Giants did want to explore (even saw some convos with Pats GM about it). Looks like Maye was there target...he looked to be the most impressive in the board work/interview.

Looks like Cristian Watkins was a legit option haden't we not traded for Burns. Also they thought Burns price was going to be a #1 pick plus...then decided to nearly offer two 2's...but the deal ended with a #2 and #5 pick which is great negotiating to get it down that far.

Also Barkley convo with Schoen was depressing...he just seemed uninterested. Now it did look at that point he was bitter the Giants didn't pay what he thought was a fair price to keep him but the Giants did offer contracts. Just looked at that point Barkley wanted a fresh start. Probably best for both parties at that point.

They seemed to really like Odunze but it did seem that Daboll was the highest on Nabers and they may be willing to overlook the "diva" type WR personality that comes with him because he is so ridiculously talented.

The most interesting parts to me is that Schoen discussed Nabers, and specifically his personality, with Jones before the draft and the QB interviews. I know they showed what they wanted, but Jayden Daniels really seemed to whiff his interview. They also emphasized that McCarthy had so little responsibility at Michigan.

Odunze looked great and it looked like the Giants were interested, along with every other team, but then he slipped a bit on draft day.

Saquon was very clearly done, but I don't think Schoen thought that anyone was going to blow us out of the water with an offer. Then Roseman rolled up and Presti'd us.

[mpharris36]

fascinating episode 2

Looks like trading up to #3 was something the Giants did want to explore (even saw some convos with Pats GM about it). Looks like Maye was there target...he looked to be the most impressive in the board work/interview.

Looks like Cristian Watkins was a legit option haden't we not traded for Burns. Also they thought Burns price was going to be a #1 pick plus...then decided to nearly offer two 2's...but the deal ended with a #2 and #5 pick which is great negotiating to get it down that far.

Also Barkley convo with Schoen was depressing...he just seemed uninterested. Now it did look at that point he was bitter the Giants didn't pay what he thought was a fair price to keep him but the Giants did offer contracts. Just looked at that point Barkley wanted a fresh start. Probably best for both parties at that point.

They seemed to really like Odunze but it did seem that Daboll was the highest on Nabers and they may be willing to overlook the "diva" type WR personality that comes with him because he is so ridiculously talented.

The most interesting parts to me is that Schoen discussed Nabers, and specifically his personality, with Jones before the draft and the QB interviews. I know they showed what they wanted, but Jayden Daniels really seemed to whiff his interview. They also emphasized that McCarthy had so little responsibility at Michigan.

Odunze looked great and it looked like the Giants were interested, along with every other team, but then he slipped a bit on draft day.

Saquon was very clearly done, but I don't think Schoen thought that anyone was going to blow us out of the water with an offer. Then Roseman rolled up and Presti'd us.

Yeah they clearly wanted to get around his personality to make sure Nabers could handle NY and our still up in the air future QB situation. They were clearly concerned about when he doesn't receive targets early he gets upset. But Daboll also said thats not a bad thing because I want a dog WR that want the ball...just has to real that in a bit.

But yes they clearly were keeping Jones involved in there draft options at WR it seems.

Odunze has great character and it showed he probably has the lowest ceiling though of the other WR because he doesn't get that ELITE separation that a Nabers does so that might have hurt his stock a bit.

Agreed on all the QB's...Daniels didn't come across great in the interview...he might take a bit time processing defenses...great athlete and arm but could be an adjustment period there. Not the end all be all though. They also highlighted that McCarthy part that he didn't call the protections which i'm sure is a knock (was Harbough that hands on with him?)

Def seemed like Maye was there guy if they could get up there...and but they were more than happy with staying pat and getting Nabers at 6.

[FrozenEnvelope]

fascinating episode 2

Looks like trading up to #3 was something the Giants did want to explore (even saw some convos with Pats GM about it). Looks like Maye was there target...he looked to be the most impressive in the board work/interview.

Looks like Cristian Watkins was a legit option haden't we not traded for Burns. Also they thought Burns price was going to be a #1 pick plus...then decided to nearly offer two 2's...but the deal ended with a #2 and #5 pick which is great negotiating to get it down that far.

Also Barkley convo with Schoen was depressing...he just seemed uninterested. Now it did look at that point he was bitter the Giants didn't pay what he thought was a fair price to keep him but the Giants did offer contracts. Just looked at that point Barkley wanted a fresh start. Probably best for both parties at that point.

They seemed to really like Odunze but it did seem that Daboll was the highest on Nabers and they may be willing to overlook the "diva" type WR personality that comes with him because he is so ridiculously talented.

Saquon spoke to Schoen the same way I would have spoken to a boss or GF I no longer wanted. I don't buy that he wanted to come back. His actions say he wanted a fresh start. And he left to Philly of all places for an extra million. Whatever.

Those QB interviews and tests are so intense! I'd fail miserably with my memory! Kudos to those guys for their memory skills. Arm talent is definitely a requirement but you also need to process info. quickly and have elite memory.

I will admit if I was conducting job interviews, I'd take Odunze over everyone just based on the interview skills alone. He seemed like a bright young man with good character. Nabers too but he seemed a little more reserved and I didn't like his answer to the question of what he'd do if he isn't getting the targets early in the game. But it doesn't matter cause Daboll seemed to like his answer.

[GONYK]

fascinating episode 2

Looks like trading up to #3 was something the Giants did want to explore (even saw some convos with Pats GM about it). Looks like Maye was there target...he looked to be the most impressive in the board work/interview.

Looks like Cristian Watkins was a legit option haden't we not traded for Burns. Also they thought Burns price was going to be a #1 pick plus...then decided to nearly offer two 2's...but the deal ended with a #2 and #5 pick which is great negotiating to get it down that far.

Also Barkley convo with Schoen was depressing...he just seemed uninterested. Now it did look at that point he was bitter the Giants didn't pay what he thought was a fair price to keep him but the Giants did offer contracts. Just looked at that point Barkley wanted a fresh start. Probably best for both parties at that point.

They seemed to really like Odunze but it did seem that Daboll was the highest on Nabers and they may be willing to overlook the "diva" type WR personality that comes with him because he is so ridiculously talented.

Saquon spoke to Schoen the same way I would have spoken to a boss or GF I no longer wanted. I don't buy that he wanted to come back. His actions say he wanted a fresh start. And he left to Philly of all places for an extra million. Whatever.

Those QB interviews and tests are so intense! I'd fail miserably with my memory! Kudos to those guys for their memory skills. Arm talent is definitely a requirement but you also need to process info. quickly and have elite memory.

I will admit if I was conducting job interviews, I'd take Odunze over everyone just based on the interview skills alone. He seemed like a bright young man with good character. Nabers too but he seemed a little more reserved and I didn't like his answer to the question of what he'd do if he isn't getting the targets early in the game. But it doesn't matter cause Daboll seemed to like his answer.

Daboll was basically coaching Nabers through the interview. He wanted that boy bad

[mpharris36]

fascinating episode 2

Looks like trading up to #3 was something the Giants did want to explore (even saw some convos with Pats GM about it). Looks like Maye was there target...he looked to be the most impressive in the board work/interview.

Looks like Cristian Watkins was a legit option haden't we not traded for Burns. Also they thought Burns price was going to be a #1 pick plus...then decided to nearly offer two 2's...but the deal ended with a #2 and #5 pick which is great negotiating to get it down that far.

Also Barkley convo with Schoen was depressing...he just seemed uninterested. Now it did look at that point he was bitter the Giants didn't pay what he thought was a fair price to keep him but the Giants did offer contracts. Just looked at that point Barkley wanted a fresh start. Probably best for both parties at that point.

They seemed to really like Odunze but it did seem that Daboll was the highest on Nabers and they may be willing to overlook the "diva" type WR personality that comes with him because he is so ridiculously talented.

Saquon spoke to Schoen the same way I would have spoken to a boss or GF I no longer wanted. I don't buy that he wanted to come back. His actions say he wanted a fresh start. And he left to Philly of all places for an extra million. Whatever.

Those QB interviews and tests are so intense! I'd fail miserably with my memory! Kudos to those guys for their memory skills. Arm talent is definitely a requirement but you also need to process info. quickly and have elite memory.

I will admit if I was conducting job interviews, I'd take Odunze over everyone just based on the interview skills alone. He seemed like a bright young man with good character. Nabers too but he seemed a little more reserved and I didn't like his answer to the question of what he'd do if he isn't getting the targets early in the game. But it doesn't matter cause Daboll seemed to like his answer.

Yeah Odunze character/personality seemed off the charts. I just think comparing the two players Nabers tape jumps out more especially in getting separation at the next level. Odunze relied more on contested catches.

I actually don't mind Nabers being honest...he understands he's not a choir boy on the field. You want dogs at that position. Look at all the star Wr's...they all got that edge/prima dona personality you just have to produce and own it. Daboll saw that tape and was like...yup thats my guy!

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Josh Allen is changing his name to Joshua Hines-Allen, cause that's the name his sisters wear on their jerseys (two of them played college ball, the third is currently in the WNBA, Myisha Hines-Allen), also because one of his uncles was a big college star back in the day, and another played as well, both were Hines

It's a pretty cool story, I'm just glad we had the Josh Allen v Josh Allen game, where Josh Allen sacked Josh Allen and then intercepted Josh Allen, before the name change.

[MrDollarBills]

fascinating episode 2

Looks like trading up to #3 was something the Giants did want to explore (even saw some convos with Pats GM about it). Looks like Maye was there target...he looked to be the most impressive in the board work/interview.

Looks like Cristian Watkins was a legit option haden't we not traded for Burns. Also they thought Burns price was going to be a #1 pick plus...then decided to nearly offer two 2's...but the deal ended with a #2 and #5 pick which is great negotiating to get it down that far.

Also Barkley convo with Schoen was depressing...he just seemed uninterested. Now it did look at that point he was bitter the Giants didn't pay what he thought was a fair price to keep him but the Giants did offer contracts. Just looked at that point Barkley wanted a fresh start. Probably best for both parties at that point.

They seemed to really like Odunze but it did seem that Daboll was the highest on Nabers and they may be willing to overlook the "diva" type WR personality that comes with him because he is so ridiculously talented.

As soon as Nabers said that he hates losing, Daboll's eyes lit up.

The part where he admitted that he needs to channel his anger better was hilarious. Schoen put his hand on his shoulder and looked at him like "yep you sure do"

[MrDollarBills]

So this is kind of a cute story

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Josh Allen is changing his name to Joshua Hines-Allen, cause that's the name his sisters wear on their jerseys (two of them played college ball, the third is currently in the WNBA, Myisha Hines-Allen), also because one of his uncles was a big college star back in the day, and another played as well, both were Hines

It's a pretty cool story, I'm just glad we had the Josh Allen v Josh Allen game, where Josh Allen sacked Josh Allen and then intercepted Josh Allen, before the name change.

Cool note about Josh: He, David Njoku, Mike Gesecki and Quenton Nelson all came from the same state senior class here in NJ. Rutgers actually refused to even look at Josh

[MrDollarBills]

fascinating episode 2

Looks like trading up to #3 was something the Giants did want to explore (even saw some convos with Pats GM about it). Looks like Maye was there target...he looked to be the most impressive in the board work/interview.

Looks like Cristian Watkins was a legit option haden't we not traded for Burns. Also they thought Burns price was going to be a #1 pick plus...then decided to nearly offer two 2's...but the deal ended with a #2 and #5 pick which is great negotiating to get it down that far.

Also Barkley convo with Schoen was depressing...he just seemed uninterested. Now it did look at that point he was bitter the Giants didn't pay what he thought was a fair price to keep him but the Giants did offer contracts. Just looked at that point Barkley wanted a fresh start. Probably best for both parties at that point.

They seemed to really like Odunze but it did seem that Daboll was the highest on Nabers and they may be willing to overlook the "diva" type WR personality that comes with him because he is so ridiculously talented.

Saquon spoke to Schoen the same way I would have spoken to a boss or GF I no longer wanted. I don't buy that he wanted to come back. His actions say he wanted a fresh start. And he left to Philly of all places for an extra million. Whatever.

Those QB interviews and tests are so intense! I'd fail miserably with my memory! Kudos to those guys for their memory skills. Arm talent is definitely a requirement but you also need to process info. quickly and have elite memory.

I will admit if I was conducting job interviews, I'd take Odunze over everyone just based on the interview skills alone. He seemed like a bright young man with good character. Nabers too but he seemed a little more reserved and I didn't like his answer to the question of what he'd do if he isn't getting the targets early in the game. But it doesn't matter cause Daboll seemed to like his answer.

Yeah Odunze character/personality seemed off the charts. I just think comparing the two players Nabers tape jumps out more especially in getting separation at the next level. Odunze relied more on contested catches.

I actually don't mind Nabers being honest...he understands he's not a choir boy on the field. You want dogs at that position. Look at all the star Wr's...they all got that edge/prima dona personality you just have to produce and own it. Daboll saw that tape and was like...yup thats my guy!

I don't want any WR on my team that is okay with not getting targets.

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For FFL fans, the Jags have some underrated guys. Kirk and Engram. Ridley gone and Kirk is always undervalued. I like ETN and Lawrence as well.

I love FFL, been making some small change for years. Play 5 leagues with the most expensive being $600 buy in.

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I wonder who blows assets for him?

I'd rather draft and develop WRs than trade for one.

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I wonder who blows assets for him?

I'd rather draft and develop WRs than trade for one.

i think the league agrees with you, at least just looking at this year with him and tee higgins. i don't think teams want to spend substantial assets just so they can give a player a market value contract that matches what they'd get in free agency

i think aiyuk is special though, so depending on the price, like a 2nd or a 3rd, i'd make the move.

[mpharris36]

what an episode! free agency seems crazy and players are typically getting paid more than projections.

Looks like they wanted Hunt but he ended up getting 20 per....so they got Runyun and Eluemunor. Interesting when there were talking to Eluemunor they said this could be our starting RT...does that mean they are moving Neal inside?

Burns deal came together last minute before they had to make decisions on other players...seems like if they didn't go that route they would have allocated funds (maybe Wilkins for interior DL ect...)

Glad they made that decision on Barkley. They seem to offer him fair contracts before and with our holes (especially on the oline) just didn't make sense to pay an off injured running back (even with how much talent he has).

They seemed to really want Tyrod Taylor back but he got more than expected.

Also John Mara seems tough to work for...he's meddling too much. Schoen and Daboll are coming off well in this series but Mara isn't....saying he wouldn't be able to sleep if Barkley went to Eagles...he's our most popular player...just thinking about the optics of the move not what makes the team better...

Some of the spoilers for next episode...seems like they wanted to trade up for a QB...it shows they really liked Daniels and I think Maye but that was contingent on Washington not picking him...other than that they decided to stick with Jones and get him an elite weapon and not reach for someone like JJ McCarthy.

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[FrozenEnvelope]

I'm loving Hard Knocks!

Pretty obvious Schoen and Daboll didn't want Saquon back at $12M/$25M guaranteed and Saquon didn't want to come back even if we matched what he ended up getting. It was the right decision for both sides to part ways. I just hate that Saquon went to the hated rival but whatever. I don't think Saquon is magically now going to stay healthy and break records. His best years are behind him.

I also don't think Mara acted too badly like some are making him out to be. He's an owner who just lost his cash cow in terms of jersey's and merchandise so of course he wasn't happy but he didn't freak out or throw a tantrum. I got the feeling Schoen has total command of this team to do what he wants.

So cool to see how free agents agree to terms and how crazy and intense it is for everyone involved. Robert Hunt would have been nice!

[GONYK]

what an episode! free agency seems crazy and players are typically getting paid more than projections.

Looks like they wanted Hunt but he ended up getting 20 per....so they got Runyun and Eluemunor. Interesting when there were talking to Eluemunor they said this could be our starting RT...does that mean they are moving Neal inside?

Burns deal came together last minute before they had to make decisions on other players...seems like if they didn't go that route they would have allocated funds (maybe Wilkins for interior DL ect...)

Glad they made that decision on Barkley. They seem to offer him fair contracts before and with our holes (especially on the oline) just didn't make sense to pay an off injured running back (even with how much talent he has).

They seemed to really want Tyrod Taylor back but he got more than expected.

Also John Mara seems tough to work for...he's meddling too much. Schoen and Daboll are coming off well in this series but Mara isn't....saying he wouldn't be able to sleep if Barkley went to Eagles...he's our most popular player...just thinking about the optics of the move not what makes the team better...

Some of the spoilers for next episode...seems like they wanted to trade up for a QB...it shows they really liked Daniels and I think Maye but that was contingent on Washington not picking him...other than that they decided to stick with Jones and get him an elite weapon and not reach for someone like JJ McCarthy.

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The Giants really aired Saquon out and put to bed a lot of the narratives. I still think all parties involved made the right decisions for themselves.

Mara's biggest issue is that he's also a fan. I didn't see anything that was particularly difficult about him. He didn't meddle, he just processed his emotions out loud. When he heard Saquon's deal though, he kind of chuckled to himself. I think he agreed that it wasn't prudent to match the Philly offer.

[mpharris36]

what an episode! free agency seems crazy and players are typically getting paid more than projections.

Looks like they wanted Hunt but he ended up getting 20 per....so they got Runyun and Eluemunor. Interesting when there were talking to Eluemunor they said this could be our starting RT...does that mean they are moving Neal inside?

Burns deal came together last minute before they had to make decisions on other players...seems like if they didn't go that route they would have allocated funds (maybe Wilkins for interior DL ect...)

Glad they made that decision on Barkley. They seem to offer him fair contracts before and with our holes (especially on the oline) just didn't make sense to pay an off injured running back (even with how much talent he has).

They seemed to really want Tyrod Taylor back but he got more than expected.

Also John Mara seems tough to work for...he's meddling too much. Schoen and Daboll are coming off well in this series but Mara isn't....saying he wouldn't be able to sleep if Barkley went to Eagles...he's our most popular player...just thinking about the optics of the move not what makes the team better...

Some of the spoilers for next episode...seems like they wanted to trade up for a QB...it shows they really liked Daniels and I think Maye but that was contingent on Washington not picking him...other than that they decided to stick with Jones and get him an elite weapon and not reach for someone like JJ McCarthy.

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The Giants really aired Saquon out and put to bed a lot of the narratives. I still think all parties involved made the right decisions for themselves.

Mara's biggest issue is that he's also a fan. I didn't see anything that was particularly difficult about him. He didn't meddle, he just processed his emotions out loud. When he heard Saquon's deal though, he kind of chuckled to himself. I think he agreed that it wasn't prudent to match the Philly offer.

I get that but you can obviously see how he would have influence of personnel decisions especially with how the giants really haven't went out of the building for there GM hires. You can obviously see how Gettleman could get influenced by this...imagine Hard Knocks following Gettleman around...Jesus.

Schoen has some conviction to him and I applaud his ability to dance around an owner that clearly has been stuck in his ways for a while.

Schoen and Daboll have seem in lock step since they have got there. Also Bowen (for defensive purposes) and a lot of the executives seems like a very collaborative process...but interesting enough Kafka is like no where to be found in any of these discussions.

Another not they mentioned AT, JMS, and Runyon as building blocks to the OL but Neal wasn't mentioned at all...not really a ringing endorsement for him...

[GONYK]

what an episode! free agency seems crazy and players are typically getting paid more than projections.

Looks like they wanted Hunt but he ended up getting 20 per....so they got Runyun and Eluemunor. Interesting when there were talking to Eluemunor they said this could be our starting RT...does that mean they are moving Neal inside?

Burns deal came together last minute before they had to make decisions on other players...seems like if they didn't go that route they would have allocated funds (maybe Wilkins for interior DL ect...)

Glad they made that decision on Barkley. They seem to offer him fair contracts before and with our holes (especially on the oline) just didn't make sense to pay an off injured running back (even with how much talent he has).

They seemed to really want Tyrod Taylor back but he got more than expected.

Also John Mara seems tough to work for...he's meddling too much. Schoen and Daboll are coming off well in this series but Mara isn't....saying he wouldn't be able to sleep if Barkley went to Eagles...he's our most popular player...just thinking about the optics of the move not what makes the team better...

Some of the spoilers for next episode...seems like they wanted to trade up for a QB...it shows they really liked Daniels and I think Maye but that was contingent on Washington not picking him...other than that they decided to stick with Jones and get him an elite weapon and not reach for someone like JJ McCarthy.

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The Giants really aired Saquon out and put to bed a lot of the narratives. I still think all parties involved made the right decisions for themselves.

Mara's biggest issue is that he's also a fan. I didn't see anything that was particularly difficult about him. He didn't meddle, he just processed his emotions out loud. When he heard Saquon's deal though, he kind of chuckled to himself. I think he agreed that it wasn't prudent to match the Philly offer.

I get that but you can obviously see how he would have influence of personnel decisions especially with how the giants really haven't went out of the building for there GM hires. You can obviously see how Gettleman could get influenced by this...imagine Hard Knocks following Gettleman around...Jesus.

Schoen has some conviction to him and I applaud his ability to dance around an owner that clearly has been stuck in his ways for a while.

I get what you're saying. I guess, as the kids say, sounds like a skill issue when it comes to the GM. As you note, Schoen hears Mara out, but doesn't really seem to let it affect his decision making. I would think he has the conviction to do that because he either knows that Mara ultimately trusts him do what he thinks is best or he doesn't care if Mara fires him for doing what he thinks is best.

Schoen and Daboll have seem in lock step since they have got there. Also Bowen (for defensive purposes) and a lot of the executives seems like a very collaborative process...but interesting enough Kafka is like no where to be found in any of these discussions.

Another not they mentioned AT, JMS, and Runyon as building blocks to the OL but Neal wasn't mentioned at all...not really a ringing endorsement for him...

It didn't even occur to me that Kafka is nowhere to be found. Pretty dubious from your assistant head coach.

I also noticed the Neal thing. It was even more noticeable that they were openly talking about Eluemunor as a potential starting RT.

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The Giants really aired Saquon out and put to bed a lot of the narratives. I still think all parties involved made the right decisions for themselves.

Mara's biggest issue is that he's also a fan. I didn't see anything that was particularly difficult about him. He didn't meddle, he just processed his emotions out loud. When he heard Saquon's deal though, he kind of chuckled to himself. I think he agreed that it wasn't prudent to match the Philly offer.

I get that but you can obviously see how he would have influence of personnel decisions especially with how the giants really haven't went out of the building for there GM hires. You can obviously see how Gettleman could get influenced by this...imagine Hard Knocks following Gettleman around...Jesus.

Schoen has some conviction to him and I applaud his ability to dance around an owner that clearly has been stuck in his ways for a while.

I get what you're saying. I guess, as the kids say, sounds like a skill issue when it comes to the GM. As you note, Schoen hears Mara out, but doesn't really seem to let it affect his decision making. I would think he has the conviction to do that because he either knows that Mara ultimately trusts him do what he thinks is best or he doesn't care if Mara fires him for doing what he thinks is best.

Schoen and Daboll have seem in lock step since they have got there. Also Bowen (for defensive purposes) and a lot of the executives seems like a very collaborative process...but interesting enough Kafka is like no where to be found in any of these discussions.

Another not they mentioned AT, JMS, and Runyon as building blocks to the OL but Neal wasn't mentioned at all...not really a ringing endorsement for him...

It didn't even occur to me that Kafka is nowhere to be found. Pretty dubious from your assistant head coach.

I also noticed the Neal thing. It was even more noticeable that they were openly talking about Eluemunor as a potential starting RT.

Yeah its certainly a skill to navigate an owner like that. Mara thinks too much like a fan and was thinking about popularity rather than what helps us more on the field. Glad Schoen is able to navigate it....

It really stood out when I saw Chase Daniel say this...

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Kafka seems like he's on borrowed time and Daboll will be calling the plays this year. Bowen gets brought in as the DC to evaluate players but I don't see or hear Kafka involved at all (pretty crazy for your Assistant HC). I guess the Giants value him enough to not let him walk for a lateral job this year but not enough to really ask for his input in any personnel decisions on the offensive side of the ball.

Yeah and they specifically said Eluemunor was the starting RT or LG. So its seems like an open competition for the RT spot and they clearly wanted to put resources into the OL and certainly wont let Neal sink our season at RT this year.

Really curious how the next episode plays out with the draft and potential trade up. Mara said something about heart palpitations if the deal goes down...assume these were the rumors to trade up for a QB.

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